When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed?

BB, the League of Nations ruled on it as far back as 1921. They denied you access to most of the coalfields and, well, war yields such results. Polonization?? The majority of Germans voted for Hitler and there must be those that suffer as a result. It's analogous to the situation of Serbs in Bosnia. They got murdered by the locals there. However, after WWI, it happened by official authorities recognising the change. If you can accept Kosovo's independence, you can accept that.

Erm...when did I say ever otherwise Seanie?

Please quote me....

The much cherished, successfull, colorful, precious Silesia is long gone ...most people living there now are just Poles.
I don't want that back, sorry! ;)

the language got polonized? i thought it was surpressed? which is it? can't really be both.


not at all.. just because germans took it from PL (or slavs) for a few centuries, doesn't make it german. or is it "once german, always german"? like the russkies and the chinese?

You are playing dumb now, aren't you? ;)
How do you think polonizing works? Or Germanizing....or any other "-izing".
You opress the language, the customs, people change their names to not be discriminated, become more polish than the real Poles to avoid punishments...or just leave.

Millions of Silesians left for Germany during the decades...

Just read some more and inform yourself....you have alot of catching up to do.

who is playing dumb and who needs to catch up? see below bud.


you must not have read your own link; thanks for proving i am right once again:

ROFL, my grandparents surely did not speak something Slavic...so don't do the people in the video! ;)


/wiki/Lower_Silesian_language

Ah well, there is interaction as it stands. I was chatting to a Polish guy who has lived a lot of his life in Dusseldorf. He doesn't feel the need to win anything back. The right of passage and right to own land are enough :)

My saying :)

And as I said...that isn't the Silesia of old anymore anyhow...


You are denying german history in western Poland alltogether...you are an ignorant dumb, that's all!

yet, you're the one who supplied the other link too.. are you slipping? ;)

You can't really 'polonize' a language if it isn't slavonic. A culture, yes, but to polonize the language, if it isn't already slavonic, would not work.


I think that was the idea. There was a phrase about 'not wanting to have German meat covered by Polish gravy.'

nope, szczecin was really never polish until after ww2. :)

Somehow you really have problems to understand the chain of events:



You don't need to polonize a language, only the people speaking it! Terrorize one generation into Poles and you make sure the next generation grows up as Poles, speaking polish....there is nothing new in that...

Happened on both sides during the centuries!

Let the generation representatives do their thing. I know Poles in Lower Silesia with German passports and they are easy to get due to old ties. They tend to want to learn German and interact with Germans. There is relative harmony :)

That's why I see now the silesian future more rosy...alot of Germans are investing there...not only because it's so near to Germany but because of old family ties and maybe they are really different to other Poles from other parts of the country, who knows.

But I don't know how such a separation movement should work...to many "polish Poles" are living there now...they have nothing to do with the Silesians of old or the silesian culture and customs.

Hmm, I think you are wrong. After all, there were 3 Uprisings against Germans in Silesia.

My post from another thread:
A large part of Silesia was returned to Poland after 3 Uprisings organised by Silesians against German rule of terror and injustice, in 1919-1921.
The Silesian Uprisings (German: Aufstände in Oberschlesien; Polish: Powstania śląskie) were a series of three armed uprisings of the Poles and Polish Silesians of Upper Silesia, from 1919-1921, against German rule; the resistance hoped to break away from Germany in order to join the Second Polish Republic, which had been established in the wake of World War I. In the latter-day history of Poland after World War II, the insurrections were celebrated as centrepieces of national pride.

Read complete history: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Uprisings

The second Uprising was shown in a beautiful film The Salt of the Black Soil. It is available on Youtube in 10 parts:
Part 7 shows some heavy street fighting at 4.00:
...

Watch it to the end because there is a love scene with a Polish flag in the background.

Bratwurst: if I ever wanted to regain Lwów for Poland I would employ you. :-)

The uprisings where a tool by Warsaw to get more of the cake they already got with the help of the Treaty of Versailles.

After all Silesia was the richest region, most industrial developed with rich coal fields...


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia#History

"Skewed by the German population" my arse! Yeah....they voted overwhelmingly for staying in Germany...:)

But there really was a difference between upper and lower Silesia...upper Silesia more polish and lower Silesia being nearly totally German.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Silesia_plebiscite

but that's not silesian.. it's not me who is having comprehension problems.


but they aren't speaking polish but silesian.


because the germans monkeyed with the votes.. you even said that yourself earlier.. thus it didn't really count..

lower silesia was more german because you guys germanized it. ;P :D

Nah...my russian is rusty at best! :)


I don't remember any mass expellations of millions of Poles...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia#History

And we were there first! ;)



Yeah..they were the majority in many places...who had no interest to live in a polish state...how bad of them! How dare they to skew the votes like that!!! :(

Not wanting to live in a polish state had many Silesians actually in common. Millions left Poland over the decades to live in Germany!
Thank you Klose, thank you Poldi! :)

No russian there BB, you would have to educate yourself in Ukrainian :-).... many polish words but eastern slavic grammar

*slaps forehead* Yeah..how could I forget! :)

no, it was these "silesians" that really weren't that cast their "votes".. you know, Chicago style.


got kicked out after ww2.. yes, i'll give you that. but klose and podli left under communism.. just like millions of other poles.. nothing unusual there.

Oh forget about it....this plebiscite was controlled and observed by the League of Nations and counted as fair and square in the end.
OF COURSE the Poles protested as they lost this voting clearly! ROFL


And because of the opression of the german silesian minority...they could use the german law what made those of german ancestry to german citizens if they so chose.

They could have immigrated everywhere...to the US, to Great Britain, to France...but they chose Germany!

There had been several such waves of immigration...the latest during the 80's with around a million Silesians leaving.

that is not what the conclusion was.. that's why the protest and then a win..


i don't have a problem with that. it's all good as far as i am concerned.

They (The league of Nations) really tried to find a pragmatic solution, but it was not easy with the Poles always demanding more and more and more and with many places so heavily mixed...the towns overwhelmingly German with the farms around more Polish.

The polish nationalist policy didn't help...they tried everything to heat up nationalist and ethnical strife (like with the uprisings) and used that to further unrest and fights.

If it had gone as the Poles wanted there would had been a mass ethnical cleansing in Silesia already before the war!

Funny that, usually so careful about facts and details, you prefer to omit this important fact in several of your posts:

In the plebiscite, around 707,605 votes were cast for Germany, while 479,359 for Poland.[2] The Germans thus had 228,246 votes of majority. A right to vote was granted to those aged 20 and older who had been born in or lived within the plebiscite area. A result was mass migration.[6] The German outvoters numbering 179,910; the Polish numbering over 10,000.[2] Without the outvoters, the Germans would have a majority of 58,336 instead of 228,246

Yeah? Still a majority...;)

they couldn't keep it, though. Fighting against civilians unwilling to be Germans. Warsaw had no say the uprisings, being busy in the East, and then more like near Wisla.

Oh please! Of course, the possibility of a land grab of a rich region had of course NOTHING to do with it....of course not...suuuuuuure!

That is one of these dear polish myths actually...those brave, patriotic miners fighting for their freedom against the german beasts! *snicker*

Isn't it ironic that Silesia flourished under prussian, german rule and detoriated under polish rules and that so so many Silesians voted with their feet for Germany even decades later...

It doesn`t matter now. What I thought funny was your omitting it in your posts.
I don`t think it was intentional.
That probably shows the difference in Polish and German historical education. The fact that Germans found and brought ex-Silesians from all Germany to take part in voting and win is commonly known in Poland. I remember it from primary school 30 years ago. :):):)

On the other hand, it is probably completely unknown in German teaching.