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Royal Family still in Poland?



kpc21 1 | 763    
23 Oct 2015  #31

In any case, there have been three legally valid constitutions since the 3rd May Constitution, none of which make provision for any sort of monarchy or aristocracy.

Four, including the current one.

1. The March Constitution (1921-1935, used also, of course, with some changes, by the communist authorities after the World War 2, which didn't acknowledge the April Constitution as a legally valid since it was a result of the Piłsudski's coup)

2. The April Constitution (1935-1939)
3. The Constitution of PRL (1952-1997, it was, of course, changed in 1989, and later in 1992 to enable the change of the political system)
4. The current constitution (from 1997)


delphiandomine 82 | 15,963    
23 Oct 2015  #32

2. The April Constitution (1935-1939)

Was it really legal?
jon357 67 | 12,739    
23 Oct 2015  #33

Quite, and long may the Third Republic endure. None of the above constitutions allow for a royal family.
kpc21 1 | 763    
23 Oct 2015  #34

Was it really legal?

Rather not, although it's rather difficult to say it definitely was or it definitely wasn't.

It was introduced illegally, breaking the previous constitution. But it was used by the Polish government in exile, which existed until 1990, and from which the first Polish non-communist government symbolically took over the authority.

But ok, there were three constitutions for which we can definitely agree they were legal.
Waszkiewicz    
19 Apr 2016  #35

I do believe about having the first democracy since many our ancestors the slavs did not have a king but more like an anarchy which like democracy in ways
Kayla12-23-1994    
23 Jun 2016  #36

Dzién Dobry. I have also heard this supposed rumor of High ranking officials in Chicago from Poland. I live on the southeast side of Chicago. My Great grandparents and my grandfather on my mothers side are from Kraków and Warsaw orginally. I have controversy over those heirs. During that warring period of time 1500's to almost the early 1800's there is bound to be hostages and heirs hidden by history books. To be frank, I have 75%Polsih in me. When I had my DNA checked they were astounded. I always picked up on Foreign languages fairly easy. I can speak not only my Native tongue of Polska, but I can speak some Russian, German, and Italian. I have 3 coats of arms that I know of with my Babciá, Tato, and Mama. Grandmother, Father, and Mother for the Non-Polish speaking people who know a bit of this herritage. My Family for generations has kept secrets from myself. It took me years and years to find out what I know today. My full name is, Kayla Marie Ava Bowman. My last name is English but I am mostly Polish. Yes I am a female. Now I have a weird fact to present. In what I know about my family, I am the secondFemale born into my family in over 175years. I have this awkward mark on my right hip which is too big to be a freckle and too light to be a mole. It almost looks like a burn mark. To me finding out why I have these weird traits will always be a lifelong mystery because I will never know my origins without vast proof, knowledge, and living descendants of years years of bloodlines. Have a good day!
landofthunder    
4 Jul 2016  #37

This is your King/Queen speaking from the Throne in the Great Room of The Royal Porcelain. It is I, loyal villains, for you can see the mole on one cheek and the exquisite array of freckles on the other. Also, by the way the sun shines brilliantly when I bend over. You may kneel before the light!

@ There are many books on Polish History. No excuse with internet.
@ Books on PH + reviews at: . justice4poland.com . .. . Search engine 'translators', give good enough ideas as to what the Polish articles are about.
Here is an article that just might make you think that your stupid royalty was just as stupid as all the other cretinous, inbred stupid royalty in Europe. And why it's best to avoid paying taxes to these Parasites. Follow links provided:

mileswmathis.com/england.pdf
ripped off    
11 Jul 2016  #38

Ąustralia received a royal inheritance they got received 2010 from poland but got taking of me and australia receive i got tricked in sighning over to someone who g ot it 2010 igot told it was my inheritance that i should of receive if dont beleave me take my blood and u will c who i ami dont know wat papers they made me sighn but i wasnt allowed to read it and cause i cannt read they made me sigh by threats to my family and my self
SASPoland    
15 Jan 2017  #39

I am of the descendent of the Pohorecki ( House of SAS ) line, my grandfather was the Prince, He would present papers traveling during the war and would be bowed before and passed freely. I am wondering who would know more about this as I would like to piece more of the jigsaw puzzle together. I anyone can help with this that would be greatly appreciated.
Ironside 43 | 8,225    
15 Jan 2017  #40

my grandfather was the Prince,

Of what?
Here are names that can use prince before it:
1,Sanguszko
2,Czartoryski
3,Czetwertynski
4,Druccki
5,Radziwił
Other are just made up tiles, honorary titles given to some old noble like after fall of the Polish kingdom or foreign titles. Polish name Austrian count or a such.

All nobles were Royals in the old Poland because theoretically each noble could have been elected the king of Poland.
Nobles constituted about 10% of the population so don't have your hopes up. Ah and there is no Royal estate in Poland anymore - no money.
Legal Eagle    
15 Jan 2017  #41

We could use that same argument to declare that the present constitution of the United States in invalid because it was not ratified in accordance with the procedures stated in the preceding Articles of Confederation. The fact remains that millions of Poles fought and died for the Second Republic of Poland before it was occupied by the Soviets who installed their puppet regime while millions more Poles could not return home. Calling that constitution illegitimate is used by those who wish to condone the crimes against humanity that followed.

Rather not, although it's rather difficult to say it definitely was or it definitely wasn't.

Rather not, because Wałęsa was duly elected President of Poland for a 7 year term according to the the 1935 Polish Constitution, as recognised by the legitimate President of Poland, President Kaczorowski Subsequent events could not change the fact that Wałęsa had been elected to a 7 year term in office by the people of Poland. As such, Wałęsa, needed to have approved the 1997 constitution, not Kwaśniewski. Therefore, it is invalid.

But ok, there were three constitutions for which we can definitely agree they were legal.

Legal Eagle    
15 Jan 2017  #42

Why not the Sobieski family? I knew a Sobieska who I could nominate as queen!

Here are names that can use prince before it:
1,Sanguszko
2,Czartoryski
3,Czetwertynski
4,Druccki
5,Radziwił

Ironside 43 | 8,225    
15 Jan 2017  #43

Why not the Sobieski family?

The Royal line of the Sobieski family ended in 1737.
Atch 9 | 1,708    
16 Jan 2017  #44

@SAS Poland

You might find this useful. It has a full list of the princely families and other nobility.
pgsa.org/polish-history/polish-heraldry-nobility/the-titled-families-of-the-polish-lithuanian-commonwealth
Ironside 43 | 8,225    
16 Jan 2017  #45

You might find this useful.

How is that useful? That is mostly HS when it comes to titles. If not you can call me margrave.
Atch 9 | 1,708    
16 Jan 2017  #46

mostly HS

Do you mean the information provided is not accurate?

As for being useful, you provided the OP with some information and the link I gave provides more detailed information on the same subject. In more general terms, somebody who is trying to trace their family history might find something of use on a site related to genealogy don't you think?
Ziemowit 8 | 2,582    
16 Jan 2017  #47

the information provided is not accurate?

I was also wondering whch part od this information is inaccurate?
Ironside 43 | 8,225    
16 Jan 2017  #48

Do you mean the information provided is not accurate?

No, I mean that people who know very little about Poland would came to some erroneous conclusions.

Beside the fact that the only legitimate and widely accepted titles were those granted to few families whose names I have given in one of my post above.

Other titles wary from questionable, dubious to right away ridiculous. They muddle the straightforward view as to titles held by the constitution the Commonwealth.

In more general terms, somebody who is trying to trace their family history might find something of use on a site related to genealogy don't you think?

I doubt that someone who is trying to trace his family history would post under the topic Royals family. I would hazard a guess that mostly those are teens trying to bust their confidence looking for some royal linage or misguided people who were told stories about their family origin when their were still a little children by their grandparents in terms they would be easy to understand for a six years old.

I believe in a cold shower as a remedy for those ill informed lazy bums.
Atch 9 | 1,708    
16 Jan 2017  #49

Oh I know, the business about people 'bowing before him' is pretty mirth-provoking but you know Ironside, our American cousins have a fairly simplistic view about Royalty and aristocracy. And yes, lots of them have probably been told tales of how they're descended from nobility. It's a romantic notion that ties in with the Disney Cinderella vibe that America likes to feed people.

But having said all that, there's no harm in a teenager or anyone else trying to find out a bit about their family's long distant past even if it arises in the first instance from some silly notions. At best they might actually learn something about history and become more educated and better informed about Europe which can only be a good thing.

Of course anybody seriously tracing ancestry should only rely on properly verified information. There's a lot of very inaccurate rubbish published on the internet which people take at face value without delving any further.
Ziemowit 8 | 2,582    
16 Jan 2017  #50

the only legitimate and widely accepted titles were those granted to few families whose names I have given in one of my post above.

These are indeed the five still living "old prince" families of the Grand Duchy whose original Lithuanian titles were confirmed by the Sejm of 1569 in the Union of Lublin Act.

But several families were also recognized as "prince family" later by the subsequent Sejms. The Lubomirski family, for example, were granted the title of prince by the Sejm of 1682 and the Sapieha family on the Sejm of 1768.
PINK HUNTER23    
18 Jan 2017  #51

I actually know the heirs to the throne
after2020    
18 Jan 2017  #52

It would be interesting if Scotland went for another referendum and did away with the Windsor's, as the last of the Stuarts is Polish.So the Scots would be getting rid of a German to be replaced by a Pole. Peter Penninski baronage.co.uk/2003b/Pininski.pdf
Ironside 43 | 8,225    
18 Jan 2017  #53

Scots would be getting rid of a German to be replaced by a Pole.

why would they want a king in the first place?.




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