Lilliput 14 Mar 2018 #1Dear,Next summer I will travel to Poland. I'm looking for ancient remains of Prussia to visit, but I can not find anything. Is there really nothing left? Was everything removed from the map?Thanks!
Vars18 14 Mar 2018 #2By ancient Prussia you mean the Prussian tribes that inhibited the baltic coast centuries ago?
Lyzko 45 | 9,346 14 Mar 2018 #4"Prussia" itself no longer exists as either a political or a cultural entity!Moreoever, as you are doubtless aware, the "Prusi" way back when, weren't even Slavs to begin with, but Balts.People still refer to the "Prussian Tradition", "Prussian Reformers" aka von Stein, Scharnhorst, and Gneisenau, but this refers exclusively to the Pommeranian area in and around Berlin.There was a famous Polish author, Boleslaw Prus, perhaps a descendant of Prussians.
RubasznyRumcajs 5 | 498 14 Mar 2018 #5you'll have to visit Mazury region of Poland, as well as Kaliningrad Oblast' which is a Russian enclave outside of Russia. check if you will need a visa etc.
Crow 155 | 9,025 14 Mar 2018 #6While drinking one summer evening, mixing vodka and rakija, one Russian told me that Kaliningrad represent Russian experiment in which they tries to prove that complete eastern Germany can be successfully re-Slavicized and liberated, if helped. On that I said- ``Well, just that we have back Lusatia and neighboring regions and also Rujan (Rugen) so that we can dignify Svetovid`s memory.`` He then just said how are we Serbs crazy and, after contemplating, I concluded that I am.
mafketis 36 | 10,694 14 Mar 2018 #7mixing vodka and rakijawas it grozdova (grape in bulgarian I assume serbian's similar) mixing grape (rakija) and grain (vodka) sounds like an express ticket to a massive wish-I-was-dead hangover...
Michael Grunwal 14 Mar 2018 #8@PrusyI have a plan for it, working really hard for it.If any of you help me in this endeavor. I'll recreate Prussia but as loyal knight-state :)
OP Lilliput 17 Mar 2018 #9@Lyzko I know that, but for example, is there something in Tannenberg? Thanks
Lyzko 45 | 9,346 17 Mar 2018 #10Indeed there is! Tannenberg was a well-known spot, celebrated for the famous battle there during the Middle Ages.Incidentally, Old Prussian was the last extant Baltic tongue before becoming extinct at the end of the 18th century or so.
Ironside 53 | 12,363 17 Mar 2018 #11Tannenberg was a well-known spot, celebrated for the famous battle there during the Middle Ages.Dude, you're an embarrassment to yourself. Tannenberg was a place where WWI victorious For Germans battle was fought with Russia. There used to be some monument or something, I don't think there is anything left right now.
Lyzko 45 | 9,346 17 Mar 2018 #12Because I omitted that piece of information, nonetheless would hardly mean I wasn't aware of it:-) The question was asked re: Tannenberg and her relation with Prussian history. I responded as I did, correctly, if perhaps not completely enough to your tastes.
Ironside 53 | 12,363 17 Mar 2018 #13he question was asked re: Tannenberg and her relation with Prussian history.Exactly, I would argue that Prussian history starts when Ordo domus Sanctæ Mariæ Theutonicorum Hierosolymitanorum state came to an end. So once again your were caught playing smart ass for show.
Lyzko 45 | 9,346 17 Mar 2018 #14Well then all that fuss and feathers before in your post was for nothing! We do agree.:-)
Ziemowit 14 | 4,278 19 Mar 2018 #15I'm looking for ancient remains of Prussia to visit, but I can not find anything. Is there really nothing left?The "castle" (Königliches Residenzschloß) built for Keiser Wilhelm II, who was also King of Prussia, has remained in Poznań. In 1939 the building was transformed into Adolf Hitler's residence and the interiors' character partly changed according to the Nazi monumental architecture. The former chapel was changed into into the private cabinet of Hitler being an exact copy of his cabinet in Berlin and it has survived the war untouched, so if you want to admire the former glory of the Third Reich, come to Poznań in Poland ...The castle was renovated and its outer surface cleaned thorughly in the 2000s, I think. The difference in look is shown here:
Nesquik89 19 Mar 2018 #16In Poznań you can find remains of Festung Posenen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poznań_Fortress
Ziemowit 14 | 4,278 19 Mar 2018 #18Yes, except for the fact it does not belong to the Prussian heritage in the sense of Prussia as the country "abolished in 1947".It belongs to the heritage of, according to Iron's words:Ordo domus Sanctæ Mariæ Theutonicorum Hierosolymitanorum stateIt is worth remembering that modern Prussians even wanted to demolish the fortress as useless, but it was luckily saved for posterity.
Crow 155 | 9,025 13 Apr 2018 #20@LilliputIt would be glad to you to know, that we Serbians (South-East and Central European Serbs), brothers to Poles, keeps memory on Prussia alive. We doing it to keep memory alive of ultimately Slavic (ie Sarmatian) origin of old Prussians. Serbian army parade march using authentic Prussian parade step and must use it, as explained by General Pavle Jurisic Sturm (born Paulus Eugen Sturm), ethnic Lusatian Serb that served in Serbian royal army, in wars against Ottomans and A-H. Sarmatian last and finest must use it to protect it and deny it to the scourge, for it was our even before germanization of northern brethren occurred. In us, our brethren live in their purity and old glory.Pavle Jurišić ŠturmSerbian army guard `Blue Guard of Slavia` forcing parade march on heavy rainvideo > youtube.com/watch?v=6xiMqte7MwwSerbian guard on parade in China, 2015
peterweg 37 | 2,311 14 Apr 2018 #21I mean the country abolished on 1947.It was a German State, not a country
Crow 155 | 9,025 14 Apr 2018 #23Actually, a site, where Slavs (ie Sarmats) were Germanized in process known as `Drang Nach Osten`.
Lyzko 45 | 9,346 14 Apr 2018 #24Partly right, I have to admit, but only "Drang nach Osten" was more a late 19. century nationalist concept, later exploited of course by the Nazis, which justified Germans (re-)conquering former Teutonic territories in the East, later expropriated (in their words) by the Slavs, but now to be (rightfully!!!) settled by Germans.Not too dissimilar in spirit to the US "Manifest Destiny" during the heyday of the American West, when it was seen as America's mission to forcibly settle Western areas occupied by Native Americans, but intended for White-European Americans:-)
Lyzko 45 | 9,346 14 Apr 2018 #26Lausitz, thank you very much! And she's very much independent already, Mr. Crow.
Tacitus 2 | 1,354 15 Apr 2018 #27I'd advise Crow to visit Lusatia one day, at least the German part (since this is the one he likes to talk about). Because it is a beautiful place to visit and relatively cheap. And because he would then perhaps appreciate why an independent Lusatia is not realistic in any way.
Crow 155 | 9,025 15 Apr 2018 #28Not realistic?No, Lusatia won`t stay in Gerabia. Liberation would come.
Tacitus 2 | 1,354 15 Apr 2018 #29Just visit the place someday, Cottbus, Görlitz and Bautzen are quite nice and have been lovingly restored with West German money since 1990.
Lyzko 45 | 9,346 15 Apr 2018 #30Hear, hear Tacitus!I myself was also in Cottbus (of your well known children's rhymeLOL) and found it a charming place. Much of that Mark landscape is restful and beautiful as well:-)As regards West German money, many in the former East still complaining about their richer cousins to the West, are well advised to consider that without a little push from a certain gentleman from Halle, Mr. Genscher, both Messrs. Reagan and Gorbatschow would probably not been able to convince then Chancellor Kohl that German re-unification was even desirable, much less doable.