Poland provoked Germany to start WW2 by mobilising first

You should see me with my helmet! :)


Who cares...it was a wild time!

There's more to this, actually, than relations with Germans (who are very nice in person).

What's happening is that we are to even everything out in terms of blame and guilt and evil etc. This is the current Western idea, because West is no longer Christian.

It goes like this: 'all countries are equally guilty, all people are equally guilty, so let's just give ourselves a break, go have a beer and do some slimy business - we are all flawed, and relax. That's so civilised and Poland must learn it'

Poland is not a nation of angels, but we believe that it's important to be on the side of good. So if you can come up with names of people who committed a particular crime, like robbed someone, you should report them to the Police.

So we will always naively TRY to stay clean, even though persons can stray. So - yes, essentially you see us as unforgiving bastrds. Sorry. If you try to look through our eyes, a state formed of persons, then obviously you want to be on the side of persons.

If Germans were expelled rather than tried and imprisoned, that's probably better for them. I really think that the war generation passed the test - only few thousand casualities of Germans murdered in revange. Be grateful you weren't settlers in Ukraine, you would be so impressed with their brutality, what Steinbach would actually worship them.

You'll all come around one day. Like you didn't want to believe Poland about the threat of National Socialism (never mind the country), like you didn't give a dime about the International Socialism, like now you trade with Russia.

Just keep your colony wars to your own territories this time - stay away from Poland, it's not a fcuking playground. We live here.

what the f#ck is this crap. thats not true germany wanted to wipe Poland off the map. what bullcrap.

BB get your helmet. Another war coming.

ksysia,

do you know what year it is?

I'm trying Aphro..I really do!!!


Look...as long Poles score goals for the german Mannschaft we won't invade again...promise!

Yes,Germans and Russians turned Poland into a terrain for their battles.

That's ok, then. Don't forget to pay them BMWs! We really like the BMWs.

(relieved Ksysia goes back to her glass of bubbly

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BB you lost the war to Soviet Russia and the all your beef about expelled you should address to Russians as the real shakers behind the territorial lost for Germany.

Regardless what actually happened to people from said territories, criminal and bestial manner in which Germans were governing occupied country's,made them for ever lost any moral ground to ask for anything. You can only blame yourself, really.

I don't know much about the way the museum is or will present history of the expels -but if they try to shift the blame on Poles - they should be shot really !

"wanted to" is a good word, if you knew better the Germans tried to do less mistakes then the enemy, then a lot of victories in 1939 in Poland when they invaded. There was always a threat from the western front, so they couldn't afford much casualties or mistakes. Of course they didn't knew that the French were... GO DEFENSE! ;=)


You should become Germany's sport minister and "praise" the Polish fussballers ;P
I can believe all of Poland would like you, and a good chunk of Germany too if those Poles gave ye some goals :)

"Poland provoked Germany to start WW2 by mobilising first"
Germany provoked Poland, earlier in Gdansk. And later on near Gleiwitz (today's Gliwice)

Would you prefer the German tourists or just their BMWs alone?

That's actually an excellent point. Poland wasn't exactly on the winning side of WW2, and in no position to do much of anything.

Poles actually made the pockets of the German refugees lighter while red army soldiers expelled them.Since they cannot blame the Russians they blame the Poles.

Sorry - my mistake. Anyways, I've just ordered a copy of "Deutschland schafft sich ab"
from bookcity.pl. Hopefully they still have some copies in stock, so I won't have to wait
for over 4 weeks :-/

By the way - how come there isn't a Polish translation yet? It's really beyond me! With a title
like that ("Samolikwidacja Niemiec") it would sell more copies than the Bible :D

bookcity.pl/A9271348/Deutschland_schafft_sich_ab/Thilo_Sarrazin

It's always the same old story... ;-)

Some bad news and kinda good news. (Erika Steinbach insults Polish politician)

wbj.pl/article-51168-erika-steinbach-insults-polish-politician.html?typ=ise

And some good news (Polish companies eagerly invest in Germany)

wbj.pl/article-51162-polish-companies-eagerly-invest-in-germany.html?typ=wbj

Many of these arguments would be pointless if the Poles who fought for the Allies in WW II were given the opportunity to free their homeland. Poland was the ONLY country invaded by Germany (and Uncle Joe's Army) that never returned to it's prior self; not it's government, not it's people, and not it's borders. Churchill, FDR, and Stalin decided that by themselves. And, that was mostly because Winston and Franklin were afraid of what crazy Uncle Joe would do if they insisted that Poland should be free.

Which is why they insisted on free post-war elections. Go read a history book that wasn't written by a communist-educated Pole.

Oh, and as far as Uncle Joe being reimbursed for all the Soviet lives lost? Consider this.....once ethnic Poles, Ukranians, Belarusians, etc were removed from their homes to become "Sovietized", regardless of their final disposition, they were all considered "Soviet citizens" until proven otherwise.

So, for all those 100's of thousands, or even MILLIONS of people who NEVER got to see their homes again, because they died on a train, or bus, or truck, or cart, or while being forced marched, OR due to lack of food, or water, or medical treatment, OR their exposure to disease or insect infestation or frozen conditions without fire or heat or shelter OR being forced to fight for "Mother Russia" or be killed, the Soviet Union felt they were owed East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania, Ukraine, Byelorussia and Yugoslavia. When in fact, many of the "soviet" people that died or were killed were actually the people that were removed from their own homes in these countries in the first place.

In my mind, that's a very large debt for something that wasn't his in the first place. But, then again, I'm not Churchill or FDR.

They could insist all they wanted, but that didn't change the fact that those elections weren't free. Those elections that followed after the elections of 1947 were even less free.

Wow! Did they really?

Why, thank you Great Britain and United States for being so kind to insist on free post-war elections!
Did they also insist that Poland shouldn't be occupied by Soviet Union for 45 years? Did they
really insist on all that? They really did so much insisting! What insistent allies they were!


Yes, we certainly should. Otherwise, we won't be aware of all this insisting that was done
by our friends and allies. I bet they insisted on Polish patriots not being murdered after
the war by occupational Soviet forces. I insist that everyone read such book and I'm
prepared to be very insistent on that!

They insisted to have free election after selling Poland down the river, you should write they try to cover their behinds after despicable act.
It was free election if you vote my way if not I send NVKD for visit or just not count you and then send NVKD, Siberia needs workers.

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4738013458382009886# this is quite a decent account.

Yes but I can well understand that Poles either don't know about that tiny fact or want to ignore it so that they can maintain their pretense that Poland is the 'Christ of nations'.


I'm sure it was their pleasure. Pity that Poles now insist that the exact reverse is true.


Could you perhaps detail the things which Britain could have done to prevent Poland from being occupied by the Soviet Union? Alternatively go away and read about Operation Unthinkable.


And I bet that Poles actually did murder Polish patriots after the war. Perhaps you'd like to address the actions of your own nation before you criticise other nations? Or are you one of those Poles who insists that none of the millions of members of the Polish communist party were actually Poles?


I don't suppose that there is any chance of you actually telling us the price that Poland was sold for? We all know the price that Poland sold its Ukrainian allies to the USSR for (59 million Roubles) but none of us have ever heard the price which the USA and Britain received for selling Poland to the Soviets. Could it possibly be that there was no sale and that is why no price was paid? But that would mean that so many of you Poles are liars!

Of course Poland is the Christ on Nations. I can see that you're familiar with works
of Adam Mickiewicz. Good!


Not only Britain, but also United States! They could certainly insist on Soviet Union
not occypying us and, apparently, that is what they did. That's why I thanked them.
I mean - for all this insisting that I wasn't aware of and which was done for us.
That's why I called them insisting allies for all the insisting they so insistingly did
for us, in full insistingness of their insisting powers! Once again - THANK YOU GB and US!!!


Of course they weren't. By embracing communism, they fully, completely and finally rejected
their Polishness (if they ever had any.) Communism is so alien to Polish ethos that it is
impossible to be both Polish and communist at the same time. Ergo, no communist was a Pole
and vice versa. Simple as that.

One big problem was the blunder of Roosevelt in not taking action by conducting air raids from Soviet positions. Stalin refused to comply but America was already helping their war efforts and it is not known what Stalin would have done. The bottom line is that all were in Polish territory so it's not like the Americans would have been encroaching on the Russians. They just didn't value the defence of Poland at all.

Sorry but there were Polish commies, like it or not. Commie parties were there to be seen.

I don't understand. According to you Poles insist that insisting on free elections wasn't Churchill's and Roosevelt's pleasure?


Oh, I think that if you live in Poland you know well enough that those actions are addressed and criticised by Poles (even very very much so).


You mean Polish United Workers' Party?
According to English Wikipedia:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_United_Workers%27_Party


Maybe for neutral relations with the Soviet Union? To appease Stalin?


What are you talking about?


It's just an expression - in this context "sprzedana" (sold) means "betrayed". It's not like Stalin paid them in gold LOL

I guess they just "gave away" Poland to Stalin for free.
Or maybe I don't know about something?


No, I think you just don't understand what they mean.

If Poles were killed by communist Poles you can thank the Soviet Union for that. You do realize the Soviet Union is the reason why Communism was forced on Poland?

Marek11111:
after selling Poland down the river

No we don't "all know the price that Poland sold its Ukrainian allies to the USSR" for 59 million Roubles. That's a new one on me.

When did this happen? I didn't know Poland was in that position to do that, especially when it was sold off itself.

Also Poland wasn't sold off in conventional terms. It was sold off in political terms. But you're too much of an anti-Polish Bigot moron to figure that out.

Harry you are exactly know what I posted but you just like to troll and spread lies.
Are you having fun harry?

So you mean that you can not tell us the price that the USA and the UK were paid for Poland and you can not do so due to the fact that no price was paid because there was no sale. Instead you trot out the tired old personal insults in the hope that I'll reply in kind rather than with facts, how surprising.