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Life in communism vs democracy in Poland


scrappleton - | 829
2 Jan 2010 #181
but believe me, at the end of the day money is what matters.

Usually the anthem of someone who doesn't have it.
ShawnH 8 | 1,491
2 Jan 2010 #182
Are you back in the 18 century romanticism?

Didn't that involve some backbreaking labour on the farm, and a few feasts and famines spread about?

Not so different from what we do now, is it?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,848
2 Jan 2010 #183
The noble happiness without it just does not work in the real life.

What's wrong with paying the bill with a job you actually like because you could chose it for yourself thanks to your education? ;)
Eurola 4 | 1,902
2 Jan 2010 #184
There is nothing wrong with paying the bills doing what you like, but saying that money is not everything is. Making money and supporting yourself with it is everybody's the ultimate goal. Try to be poor and happy, just watching yourself how your neighbor(coworker, friend, a family memeber..you name it) living the life style you actually want.
scrappleton - | 829
2 Jan 2010 #185
(coworker, friend, a family memeber..you name it) living the life style you actually want.

There is the problem: You are letting other people dictate to you what the good life is. People always have more / less. Worrying about what you don't have all the time is ridiculous.. and it sadly permeates American culture. I love the US always will but not that aspect of it.
convex 20 | 3,928
2 Jan 2010 #186
What's wrong with paying the bill with a job you actually like because you could chose it for yourself thanks to your education? ;)

I chose a job that I liked that pays the bills plus some and didn't go to uni to do it. It's not either or. You can do something that you love and make good money doing it.
ShawnH 8 | 1,491
2 Jan 2010 #187
I love the US always will but not that aspect of it.

Longing for some of that good old Canadian Socialism? ;-)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,848
2 Jan 2010 #188
You can do something that you love and make good money doing it.

There a alot of professions which don't need a degree or an official grade as in creative jobs for example.
Especially there where the knowledge, the skills etc can't be streamlined, measured exactly, where the development is that quick that the students know more than the teachers ...it still needs alot of hard study to become that good that one can actually live from it.

I would even say that especially in those fields you must'n stop learning and keep always on your toes...but if one likes that field, learning is actually fun and not only a duty! :)
ShawnH 8 | 1,491
2 Jan 2010 #189
There a alot of professions wo don't need a degree

All too often, schools pay too much attention on Business focussed careers. They overlook the wages that a good trade can pay. Electricians, plumbers, mechanics... They can make some good bucks, and there is always a demand for them.
scrappleton - | 829
2 Jan 2010 #190
Longing for some of that good old Canadian Socialism? ;-)

Uhh no.. Could we use an occasional teaspoon of that medicine? Yes.. but not the whole damn bottle. :- )
Bzibzioh
2 Jan 2010 #191
Try to be poor and happy, just watching yourself how your neighbor(coworker, friend, a family memeber..you name it) living the life style you actually want.

There will be always someone having more, bigger, better, prettier whatever. This way you will never have enough and you will never be happy.
ShawnH 8 | 1,491
2 Jan 2010 #192
but not the whole damn bottle. :- )

I can agree with you there in some regards...
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,848
2 Jan 2010 #193
All too often, schools pay too much attention on Business focussed careers.

Yeah...the "to many lawyers and accountants"-syndrome! :(

Some years back alot of young Germans wanted to study BWL...only because it was fashion with the Yuppie-generation who wanted nothing more then to earn alot of money and driving big cars very quick.

I wonder where they are now..
Bzibzioh
2 Jan 2010 #194
I can agree with you there in some regards...

Which one?
scrappleton - | 829
2 Jan 2010 #195
I can agree with you there in some regards...

I am heading up to Vancouver this summer though. Don't get me wrong, you guys do a lot of things right. If you didn't genuflect to the limey so much I would respect you more.
ob1 1 | 30
2 Jan 2010 #196
Convex:
Uni vs non-uni. I agree. The object of the game is to be in control of your destiny, the captain of your ship. You can do this a number of ways. Indeed, you may chose another pond where you are the big 'fish'. Don't get caught up with materialism and go into debt and be controlled by your possessions. Better to live within your means and advance slowly but surely according to plan. This applies to debt for education as well. Recognize that education is an industry like any other.
convex 20 | 3,928
2 Jan 2010 #197
Don't get caught up with materialism and go into debt and be controlled by your possessions.

That's the big one right there. Taking on debt to fund consumption is about as close to voluntary slavery as you can get. This is worrying, as here in Poland it's rampant. Debt destroys people and locks them in a cycle of working crappy jobs to pay off the worthless junk that they shouldn't have purchased in the first place. And for bonus points, it drives up the cost of everything (price at which the market is willing to bear, however artificial, yay).

Consumer debt is the ultimate evil.
Eurola 4 | 1,902
2 Jan 2010 #198
Usually the anthem of someone who doesn't have it

Well, not really. I have it as for now...

Didn't that involve some backbreaking labor on the farm

Yes it did then and it does now. Americans have always worked hard and even more so now being scared of loosing the job.
scrappleton - | 829
2 Jan 2010 #199
Yeah...the "to many lawyers and accountants"-syndrome! :(

Right, a true product the idiot 80's mentality. Hopefully.. we can soon replace that with "scientists and teachers" syndrome. With green energy all the rage there is actually a market for these jobs more and more.

Things are getting better not really worse, imo.
Eurola 4 | 1,902
2 Jan 2010 #201
The green energy trend is just as strong as the lawyers and accountants in the 80's. This too shall pass. What will be fashionable next?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,848
2 Jan 2010 #202
The green energy trend is just as strong as the lawyers and accountants in the 80's. This too shall pass

I don't think so Eurola...green technology is a necessity, not only a trend, and will only grow as it has only just begun. The demand is rising enormously.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_technology

But who needs millions of lawyers and accountants??? ;)
Eurola 4 | 1,902
2 Jan 2010 #203
and who needs a pile of glass and paper to recycle? And who wants to turn the light on and off every time you walk into a bathroom to "save" a few pennies on electricity and ultimately - to save energy? How long will the next generation be happy 'saving'?
scrappleton - | 829
2 Jan 2010 #204
and who needs a pile of glass and paper to recycle?

Who needs another landfill?

But who needs millions of lawyers and accountants??? ;)

Lying and cheating, falsifying earnings reports, creating more credit crises? Nobody needs them.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,848
2 Jan 2010 #205
How long will the next generation be happy 'saving'?

Well...without clean-tech there won't be many more generations (or do you have a second, "fresh", planet hidden somewhere) ?
Eurola 4 | 1,902
2 Jan 2010 #206
Who needs another landfill?

use the capitalistic approach and turn the escaping gases into energy.

Lying and cheating, falsifying earnings reports, creating more credit crises? Nobody needs them.

yeah, some is true, but who is going to figure out your taxes in the IRS corn maze or get your a** out of trouble when you need it?

Stop yearning for a muzzle of the good ol' communist regime.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,848
2 Jan 2010 #207
use the capitalistic approach and turn the escaping gases into energy.

Green-tech scientists are working on that!

yeah, some is true, but who is going to figure out your taxes in the IRS corn maze or get your a** out of trouble when you need it?

Are you an accountant per chance Eurola? ;)
Eurola 4 | 1,902
2 Jan 2010 #208
Well...without clean-tech there won't be many more generations

It's not the clean-tech what's going to save the Earth. The Earth can take care of itself as it did for centuries and millenniums.
scrappleton - | 829
2 Jan 2010 #209
but who is going to figure out your taxes in the IRS corn maze or get your a** out of trouble when you need it?

The stupid business class created this corn maze. Like children you have to be watched hence things like Sarbannes - Oxley.. hence a damn Pay Czar to keep you from ripping off shareholders. You are pathetic most times.. needing protection from your own kind. :-(

Stop yearning for a muzzle of the good ol' communist regime.

I'm not yearning for 'good ol' communist anything'.. but I am learning for the business class to be exposed for what they are, which is typically pathetically greedy.

Look at what your babyboomer generation has done to one of the greatest economic machines ever conceived. .. and still you don't get it do you? Only: Profit, profit, profit, money, money, money. Now my poor generation has to clean up and pay for your idiocy.

;- ((
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,848
2 Jan 2010 #210
The Earth can take care of itself as it did for centuries and millenniums.

Without now billions of earth-polluting humans she would still be quite able to do so...but we aren't leaving anywhere soon, quite to the contrary our number will only rise till we find a way to pollute other planets.

Hence the ABSOLUTE NEED for green tech to stop at least the polluting at home...
(You don't have a spare planet somewhere?)

(And in Germany at least green-tech becomes more and more an important economical factor which makes for more and more employment - a win/win situation)


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