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Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations?


Lyzko
26 Jan 2012 #301
Pity folks still think that Jews intentionally placed themselves in hardship situations.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
26 Jan 2012 #302
How many of these 'claims' are filed for by actual families of people that owned property?...Or, are the claims filed for by 'nominees'?...You can check for yourself what the definition of 'nominee' is in regard to financial matters...And, if 'nominees', who nominated them?

Most famous Jewish 'nominees' seeking 'reparations:

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ebj

sb

The Bronfmans: Originally born in Moldova, then operate out of Canada
JonnyM 11 | 2,615
26 Jan 2012 #303
Jews whose families had been living in the SAME district for centuries were suddenly evicted and forced to move, never to return, as their neighborhood was 'Aryanized'.

Exactly - people's own homes, their own territories, their land.
Lyzko
26 Jan 2012 #304
Yo Pil, there's fraudsters out there of ANY stripe and description. Sad of course that a few bad apples always seem to spoil the whole batch. Indeed, the Bronfmans and others have sullied the honorable intentions of those Jews with bonifide claims to restitution, 'Wiedergutmachung', etc....

Why pick on just those rank few? See now, this is where misconceptions arise. All Polish Catholics hate Jews. WRONG! All Jewish claimants are the Bronfmans. WRONG AGAIN! Jews simply stand out owing to their relative few numbers, that's the only thing.
Marek11111 9 | 808
26 Jan 2012 #305
Apples and oranges

That what you are saying in your twisted mind, to me it looks the same one hand you have Germans kill Jews and take their property and on other you have Jews kill Palestinians and take their property you can justify it any way you want as I said you are hypocrite.

All Polish Catholics hate Jews

What that is news to me you might feel that way but that is personal problem, do you feel guilty ?
Did your relative operated in Poland as NKWD agents?

Exactly - people's own homes, their own territories, their land.

Exactly, now tell that to Israel to stop robbing Palestinians land.
JonnyM 11 | 2,615
26 Jan 2012 #306
Exactly, now tell that t

Or vice versa...
Des Essientes 7 | 1,290
26 Jan 2012 #307
You;re comparing biblical primogenture with people living in their own house all their lives untl the Nazis kicked them out from that which was rightfully theirs. You're comparing apples and oranges, we say in English.

Pimogeniture is defined as either being, the state of firtborn among parents, or an exclusive right to inhereitance belonging to the first born. Coupled with the adjective "biblical", It shows that Lysko believes that Palestinians living in their own house all their lives until Zionists kicked them out, were living in what was somehow not "rightfully" theirs because the bible says that the the land wasn't rightfully theirs because God granted it to the Israelites. How is that any different than the Nazis claim that Mein Kampf says that the lands of Central Europe are rightfully theirs and thus their exictions of Jew were justified? It isn't any different at all! In the bible God tells the Israelites to exterminate all the Canaanites and to take their land. The bible with regards to Canaan/Palestine and Mien Kampf with regards to Poland are both wrong because they advocate genocide and the denial of the property rights of people with the "wrong" ethnicity in the respective lands. Your claim that these situations are "apples and oranges" is a disgustingly ethnocentric obfuscation Lyzko.

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Harry
26 Jan 2012 #308
Comparing the Bible to Mein Kampf? A classy move for even the hardest of hard-core communists.

BTW, where do you stand on the part played by gentile Poles in the genocide that took place in the USA?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,290
26 Jan 2012 #309
Comparing the Bible to Mein Kampf?

Lyko used the bible to justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestine and that is despicable.

A classy move for even the hardest of hard-core communists

I am not a Communist. Do you think red-baiting is classy, Harry?

BTW, where do you stand on the part played by gentile Poles in the genocide that took place in the USA?

Why do you want to take this thread off-topic Harry?
07 zglos sie
26 Jan 2012 #310
Furthermore, Poland is sdaly unique in that ONLY in Poland, not even post-War Hungary or Rumania under Ceascescu, did Jews returning to their villages get attacked and killed!

Can you prove it?You got it all wrong ,the Jews were attacking and killing.

If you know your history,zgłos się, you'll know that the Danish Resistance (Den danske modstandsbevaegelse) was one of the strongest in Schandinavia

Really?WOW.That's not any big achievement since there were ONLY TWO (Danish and Norwegian).

and indeed DID vote down the swine Claussen, even during tthe Occupation!!!

I don't know much about occupation of Danmark but I doubt they could vote and if they could why didn't they vote to end the occupation?Like I already said I think you are nut.
Lyzko
26 Jan 2012 #311
To my fellow PF posters (especially Pan Marek - Czy rozumiesz po angielsku? PRZECZYTAJ moją wiadomość: To kłamstwo że wszystcy Polaków są nieprzyjacielami żydów!), apparently you've misread all of my posts or are merely hardened anti-semites. In that case, there's little point in continuing along those lines. As soon as you've decided to listen to reason, I'll proceed further.

Moreover, I'm fully aware of what primogeniture means, that's why I used it. To compare though the Jewish and Palestinian issue, mired in ancient biblical law, with the reparations owed to Polish Jews, is as nonsensical as it is reprehensible! What has the one to do with the other?! Nothing. Why would the Jews demand something which isn't rightfully owed them? Falling back on the age-old stereotypes of Jews as greedy good-for-nothings??? If that's the case, even enlightenment can't help you; you're imprisoned in your self-made ignorance.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,290
26 Jan 2012 #312
Moreover, I'm fully aware of what primogeniture means, that's why I used it. To compare though the Jewish and Palestinian issue, mired in ancient biblical law, with the reparations owed to Polish Jews, is as nonsensical as it is reprehensible! What has the one to do with the other?!

Both Jews and Palestinians were driven out of their homes by armies. The former by Nazis and the latter by Zionists. They are quite similar situations. If the Jews can rightfully ask for what is owed them then why can't the Palestinians? Saying that biblical law has any bearing on people evicted from their homes in 1948 is ridiculous.
Harry
26 Jan 2012 #313
" Why do you want to take this thread off-topic Harry?"
I was sort of wondering why you find the actions of gentile Poles entirely acceptable but so roundly condemn the actions of Jewish Poles. But them the answer really its very obvious. I dread to think how much you abuse homosexual Jews.
Marek11111 9 | 808
26 Jan 2012 #314
All Polish Catholics hate Jews.

See that period at the end ? it means end of statement, you said it and you stuck with it, having remorse telling truth?
Feeling that is ok just stop apologizing for it, be a man and accept your demons.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,290
26 Jan 2012 #315
I was sort of wondering why you find the actions of gentile Poles entirely acceptable

What actions are you speaking about Harry?

but so roundly condemn the actions of Jewish Poles.

I condemn anyone who perpetrates racist crimes such as ethnic cleansing.

I dread to think how much you abuse homosexual Jews.

Oh you poor thing are you ever so scared? I don't think I have ever abused a homosexual Jew so set your mind at ease, and try to keep to the topic of the thread.
Lyzko
26 Jan 2012 #316
...uj, ale drogi Marku:-) Przeciwko napisałem, uprzejmie poproszę przeczytać moje zdanie: "All Poles hate Jews. WRONG!!!" Jesteś głupot?!

You read only the words in my posts out of context and then blame me for supposed lies I'm spreading. And people say I'M a hypocrite. That's the pot calling the kettle black.
Marek11111 9 | 808
27 Jan 2012 #317
See Lyzko you are following exactly the script first you called me anti-Semite then holocaust denier and now you call me names you are insulting me, all I have to say is thank you I am done with you, you have shown yourself as hateful person with some kind of self entailment to other people possession.
Lyzko
27 Jan 2012 #318
"..self-entailment..." ??? Interesting word. Where did you pick that one up?

I think you mean "self-entitlement"? Polish must be your first language, but you're too gosh darn stubborn to admit it:-)

Well, you may be finished with the truth, but the truth isn't finished with you, not by a long shot.

By the way, Marku, I never once called YOU personally an "anti-semite." I DID however say I thought you're completely misguided, there's a BIG difference, my friend!

I'm not so bad, once you (don't) get to know me (better)LOL I could even imagine going out for an arsenic together some time =>
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
27 Jan 2012 #319
I condemn anyone who perpetrates racist crimes such as ethnic cleansing.

And suicide bombs in Jewish areas aren't 'ethnic cleansing'?

Dearie me Des, do try harder.
Harry
27 Jan 2012 #320
And suicide bombs in Jewish areas aren't 'ethnic cleansing'?

They only are if one does not consider Jews to be untermenschen, which explains why Dessie has nothing to say about them. One gets the feeling that to Dessie suicide bombers are not part of the problem but instead part of the solution (the final solution).
JonnyM 11 | 2,615
27 Jan 2012 #321
By the way, Marku, I never once called YOU personally an "anti-semite."

On the basis of a fair few post here, you would have been more than justified in doing so.

One gets the feeling that to Dessie suicide bombers are not part of the problem but instead part of the solution (the final solution).

It looks that way.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
27 Jan 2012 #322
For what it's worth, the seizure of Palestinian land is what seems to have prompted suicide bombing in Palestine. If you cannot see how one precipitated the other then you'd best improve upon your rudimentary logic and try to rebuild that temple. Note that this is not justification.

If one is fine with the seizure of Palestinian land without reprisal then one cannot maintain that logic and argue that Jews be able to claim property that belonged to the descendants of those from whom it was taken.
Harry
27 Jan 2012 #323
If one is fine with the seizure of Palestinian land without reprisal

And if one isn't fine with it, one needs to recognise that the USA is even more of an illegitimate state than Israel is.
Lyzko
27 Jan 2012 #324
Not really, Johnny. Name calling never works. Why stoop to the other bloke's levelLOL
JonnyM 11 | 2,615
27 Jan 2012 #325
Why stoop to the other bloke's levelLOL

There's a lot of truth in that.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
27 Jan 2012 #326
And if one isn't fine with it, one needs to recognise that the USA is even more of an illegitimate state than Israel is.

And?
Harry
27 Jan 2012 #327
And perhaps get one's own house in order before telling other people what its wrong with theirs?
Lyzko
27 Jan 2012 #328
I agree,Harry! Houses in general, or one person's in particular?
:-)

Stick to the original topic. Do not write in Polish, Lyzko that is your last warning.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
27 Jan 2012 #329
And perhaps get one's own house in order before telling other people what its wrong with theirs?

Who's telling anyone what to do with their house?
Besides where would you suggest present day Americans go? Back to Europe? Back to Africa? Back to Asia?
What has that got to do with those citing the disparity in logic applied to supporting the Jewish takeover of Palestine while similarly supporting "giving back" to Jews what was once taken?
Harry
27 Jan 2012 #330
" Who's telling anyone what to do with their house?"
I didn't mean that literally.

However, I do find it amusing that people who think that Jews are acting disgracefully by asking for compensation for the property they lost to the Polish state also think that Jews are acting disgracefully by refusing to return land to Palestinians.

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