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Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible?


Ironside 42 | 7,695    
29 Jul 2010  #91

This discussion is so stupid.

no you are !

Lwow is now Ukrainian and it will stay that way.

welcome great prophet

rom current owners of the city is for them to spruce up the city and to try to expose polish traces and history of the city.

soon the city will crumble away - one problem less!


Czarnkow1940 5 | 95    
29 Jul 2010  #92

no you are !

+1

welcome great prophet

I hope your being sarcastic ;)
plk123 8 | 4,169    
29 Jul 2010  #93

one day it will return to Poland where it belongs.

how?

btw. zed is right.. this topic is as senseless as it gets
Czarnkow1940 5 | 95    
29 Jul 2010  #94

how?

Poland will take it back by force. Ukraine is not a stable country in the not to distance future it should possible to achieve the goal of returning Lwow to Poland.
convex 20 | 3,988    
29 Jul 2010  #95

you planning on marching in there and killing people, pulling them out of their homes? have you been to afghanistan? any military experience, or are you just full of sh*t?

or are you going to leave that to "Poland"?

"truth is I'm just a big mouthed talker..."
Czarnkow1940 5 | 95    
29 Jul 2010  #96

pulling them out of their homes

No Ukrainians lived in Lwow when in was part of Poland I cant see any reason why they would have to leave if it was to become part of Poland again
convex 20 | 3,988    
29 Jul 2010  #97

So everything will stay as it is? Schools, courts, contracts? Russian and Ukrainian language signs, schools, government documents? Considering that they're not quite as well off as the rest of Poland, I suppose that the rest of Poland will financially support the new territories. That seems like a really good deal for them.
Czarnkow1940 5 | 95    
29 Jul 2010  #98

I suppose that the rest of Poland will financially support the new territories.

Well Poland could not expect anyone to support it.
Mr Grunwald 17 | 1,482    
29 Jul 2010  #99

I suppose that the rest of Poland will financially support the new territories. That seems like a really good deal for them.

That's why people with common sense see it as idoicy ;)
Ironside 42 | 7,695    
29 Jul 2010  #100

this topic is as senseless as it gets

that explain what your are doing here ..

how?

what do you care ?

topic is as senseless as it gets

[/quote]Mr American !?

you planning on marching in there and killing people

He is just saying that is a right think to do - i.e. return Lwow to Poland.
Being in Australia he can hardly plan anything :)

I hope your being sarcastic ;)

time will tell :P
convex 20 | 3,988    
29 Jul 2010  #101

He is just saying that is a right think to do - i.e. return Lwow to Poland.

Ah I understand, it's a circlejerk. I was having a hard time understanding the point of the thread.
Ironside 42 | 7,695    
29 Jul 2010  #102

Well, world-renowned encyclopedia states otherwise:
According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, Ukrainian is a lineal descendant of the colloquial language of Kievan Rus'.[28]

So is Belarusian and Russian as descendent of Church Slavonic language, colloquial language of Kievian Rus is just a guess !
Ukrainian language was formed under heavy Polish influence.
Secondly Kievan Rus before 1569 when become part of Polish Kingdom was but empty shell, migrants from Polish kingdom give it a second life !
There were two classes in Ukraine nobles and peasants, nobles mostly locals gradually has taken Polish culture , peasants were the same except for-religion !
Because there were more orthodox clergy in the area than Catholics priests, majority of people become orthodox and consequently Rusan - then in the XIX century Ukrainian !

All this on Kievian area - about territories we are discussing is just local people folly !
Religion made them isolating themselves from Poles with a little outside help.
I say fine feel yourself whomever but either be loyal citizen of Poland or clear out!

convex

I was having a hard time understanding the point of the thread.

Point is that Lwow should belong to Poland!What hard to understand ?Nothing less nothing more!Simple thing but some are really slow!
Pharosmaster - | 6    
29 Jul 2010  #103

We'll I'm just going to say it: The Polish people did not exist before 1919, they magically appeared out of the hidden annals of history, since they could not possibly have existed since Poland did not exist... (!)

I'm sorry my sarcasm was missed. I shouldn't have even tried.
Ironside 42 | 7,695    
29 Jul 2010  #104

I'm sorry my sarcasm was missed.

For sarcasm one needs a brain !

I shouldn't have even tried.

Yes ! We can agree on that !
Pharosmaster - | 6    
29 Jul 2010  #105

For sarcasm one needs a brain !

Amen, my friend. Amen.
Ironside 42 | 7,695    
29 Jul 2010  #106

good we understand each other mefriend !
OP David_18 69 | 987    
29 Jul 2010  #107

you planning on marching in there and killing people, pulling them out of their homes?

America is invading Countries every other year... So why cry when we just want back what belongs to us?

America invaded Iraq for the Oil/Gas and terrorists right? here is some good news!!!

LWOW is filled with Oil and Terrorists :D

rada.com.ua/eng/RegionsPotential/Lviv/

Oil-output industry is connected with function of Borislav oil-industrial area on the Region's territory, which is considered one of the oldest areas in Europe. Today the stocks of oil run to about 30.9 million tons. There are about 800 acting pores nowadays.

Oil-processing industry is represented by open JC "NPK "Galychyna" which has about 1.8 thousand workers. The company processes about 3 million tons of oil annually.

Lviv Region is one of the most gasified regions in Ukraine. About 77% of housing fund is provided by natural gas.

More than 300 pores provide the output of natural gas. The stocks run to about 96 million cubic m of gas. Lviv Region has more than 5% of the common output of natural gas in Ukraine.

poland oil

Ukranian terrorists

oil
Seanus 15 | 19,751    
29 Jul 2010  #108

The last time I checked, Lvov was under Ukrainian rule. I can also say that there is a border near Przemys³ ;) Best think again, troll!
plk123 8 | 4,169    
29 Jul 2010  #109

Poland will take it back by force. Ukraine is not a stable country in the not to distance future it should possible to achieve the goal of returning Lwow to Poland.

now you're sounding as delusional as crow.. jeez

that explain what your are doing here ..

just checking on you idiots.

what do you care ?

just asking to see what you guys can pull out of your butts

Mr American !?

huh?

He is just saying that is a right think to do - i.e. return Lwow to Poland.

so, you are ready to give up szczecin and wroclaw? seems like the right thing to do..

Ah I understand, it's a circlejerk. I was having a hard time understanding the point of the thread.

there is no point to this thread.. circlejerk seem about right.. lol

So why cry when we just want back what belongs to us?

check the map again.. lwow hasn't belonged to PL in a while now..
Ironside 42 | 7,695    
29 Jul 2010  #110

just asking to see what you guys can pull out of your butts

snuffing up people butts eh?

huh?

Aren't you an American citizen, who spend in Poland - what 16 years ?

so, you are ready to give up szczecin and wroclaw? seems like the right thing to do..

Seems to whom ? and why ? Would you explain yourself for once instead of half a sentences?

there is no point to this thread.

you keep repeating that, what's your point why do you keep hanging here ?

lwow hasn't belonged to PL in a while now..

So what Mr informed ?
Nathan 18 | 1,373    
29 Jul 2010  #111

Ukrainian language was formed under heavy Polish influence.

Is this why all the Poles I met answer in Russian (?): "Ja nie panimaju" when I talk to them in Ukrainian ;)?

I'm sorry my sarcasm was missed. I shouldn't have even tried.

Majority of Poles have sky-rocketing IQ, that's why they can't comprehend such things as sarcasm or figurative speech.

For sarcasm one needs a brain !

Exactly ;)

Amen, my friend. Amen.

Amen for the third time ;)
Ironside 42 | 7,695    
29 Jul 2010  #112

Is this why all the Poles I met answer in Russian (?): "Ja nie panimaju" when I talk to them in Ukrainian ;)

Really ? Why would you do that? And so what?
You are slow N!

I
Nathan 18 | 1,373    
29 Jul 2010  #113

;) Irony, you are the best ;)
Velund 1 | 224    
30 Jul 2010  #114

Ukranian terrorists

Well... Cossacks writes some historical document on this painting... By the way, does anyone readed exact text of that document? ;)

By the way it is not so bad... ;)

Отвiт запорожцiв Магомету IV.
Ти, султан, чорт турецкий, i проклятого чорта брат i товарищ, самого Люцеперя секретарь. Якiй ты в черта лыцарь, коли голою сракою ежака не вбъешь. Чорт высирае, а твое вiйско пожирае. Не будешь ты, сукiн ты сыну, сынiв христiянських пiд собой маты, твойого вiйска мы не боiмось, землею i водою будем биться з тобою, распроеб твою мать. Вавилоньский ты кухарь, Макидоньский колесник, Iерусалимський бравирник, Александрiйський козолуп, Великого и Малого Египта свинарь, Армянська злодиюка, Татарський сагайдак, Каменецкий кат, у всего свiту i пiдсвiту блазень, самого гаспида внук и нашего хуя крюк. Свиняча ты морда, кобыляча срака, рiзницька собака, нехрещений лоб, мать твою еб. От так тобi запорожцi виcказали, плюгавче. Не будешь ти i свиней христiанских пасти. Теперь кончаемо, бо числа не знаемо i календаря не маемо, мiсяц у небi, год у книзя, а день такий у нас, якиi i у Вас, за це поцелуй в сраку нас! Пiдписали: кошевой атаман Иван Сирко зо всiм кошем Запорожськiм.
OP David_18 69 | 987    
30 Jul 2010  #115

Translation please?
Velund 1 | 224    
30 Jul 2010  #116

Translation sounds much much "flatter" than original... But here it is...

Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!

Thou art a turkish imp, the damned devil's brother and friend, and a secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight art thou that cannot slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou a son of a b*tch wilt not ever make subjects of Christian sons; we have no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, f*ck thy mother.

Thou art the Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-f*cker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, Armenian pig, Podolian villain, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, a fool before our God, a grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw thine own mother!

So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. Thou wilt not even be herding Christian pigs. Now we shall conclude, for we don't know the date and don't have a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year in the book, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

Koshovyi Otaman Ivan Sirko, with the whole Zaporozhian Host
OP David_18 69 | 987    
30 Jul 2010  #117

Haha they sure know how to Insult :D
Velund 1 | 224    
30 Jul 2010  #118

Sure...

But, for complete understanding, here is a text of letter what was answered... ;)

As the Sultan; son of Muhammad; brother of the Sun and Moon; grandson and viceroy of God; ruler of the kingdoms of Macedonia, Babylon, Jerusalem, Upper and Lower Egypt; emperor of emperors; sovereign of sovereigns; extraordinary knight, never defeated; steadfast guardian of the tomb of Jesus Christ; trustee chosen by God himself; the hope and comfort of Muslims; confounder and great defender of Christians—I command you, the Zaporozhian Cossacks, to submit to me voluntarily and without any resistance, and to desist from troubling me with your attacks.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 7,944    
2 Aug 2010  #119

Just read...

guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/31/kalingrad-kant-home-return-german

What resolution?
It's fine as it is...let's Mother Russia take care of them....they wanted it so hard!
southern 76 | 7,116    
2 Aug 2010  #120

''In May this year, the German weekly Der Spiegel published the sensational details of a little-known offer by the Soviet leadership to return Kaliningrad, the former Königsberg, to Germany in 1990. Though barely reported in the UK, the Spiegel article was widely discussed in the Russian media last month, leading to outcries of indignation by Russian nationalists and a subsequent denial that the return of Kaliningrad had ever been on the cards by no lesser person than the last leader of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev.

The offer had been made in a secret telegram sent to the German embassy in Moscow,''

When i wrote the same some months ago,BB doubted it and asked for sources.



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