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Crazy 1990s in Poland - transition from communism to capitalism - stories


jon357 74 | 22,258
2 Jan 2023 #61
joining the lower middle class thanks to 500+,

If people rely on 500+, they are still working class. There is no shame in that.

child support is a given in any developed civilised country

Yes. This is so obvious as to be absolute common sense. Unfortunately Poland is infested with 'libertarian' Aynrandies who despise altruism, equality and anything other than hedonistic greed.
amiga500 4 | 1,528
2 Jan 2023 #62
Unfortunately Poland is infested with 'libertarian' Aynrandies who despise altruism, equality

Yep, still worshiping at alter of dead ghouls like Reagan and Friedman. And this is where PO and Konfederacja converge, On the opposite end of the economici ideology spectrum, where PiS and Nowa Lewica/Partia Razem converge.

Who knows next election, PiS and Lewica form a vague alliance and take power. Kaczynski comes out as gay and authorises civil unions and other gradual measures in social policy.
Paulina 17 | 4,425
2 Jan 2023 #63
shameless nepotism (...) does not PO did not do the same thing.

Woaaah, wait a minute, but where is that "good change" that was promised by PiS?? :D

you would know that child support is a given in any developed civilised country

It is a given in rich Western countries that can afford this.

3 years ago the family could afford their first overseas holiday

So, the state has enough money for PiS to sponsor your family's overseas holiday or TVP or Rydzyk's business plans or expensive furniture for the ministries, even more expensive planes for the government and raises and bonuses for politicians or over 4 mln for Black Eyed Peas at the New Year's Eve concert, but it doesn't have enough money to help Polish kids who want to kill themselves? Could you explain this to me?
jon357 74 | 22,258
2 Jan 2023 #64
Konfederacja

Them yes, Razem and PO,no.

If PiS stopped their virtue signalling to the rural, religious poorly-educated elderly, they would improve hugely. That demographic is shrinking, so courting them will not lead to long term gains.

Did you see that fool mouthing off about the New Years Concert?
amiga500 4 | 1,528
2 Jan 2023 #65
but it doesn't have enough money to help Polish kids who want to kill themselves? Could you explain this to me?

116111.pl seems to be doing a great job, was there an goverment run alternative?

Them yes, Razem and PO,no.

I wrote that economically PiS and Razem/Lewica converge somewhat.
Paulina 17 | 4,425
2 Jan 2023 #66
@amiga500, yes, 116111.pl has been doing a great job for 14 years in this country and is very trustworthy and PiS government decided to not fund it anymore since 2022. Those government funds weren't big enough anyway.

But this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as the problems of psychology and psychiatry in Poland in general, and child psychology and psychiatry in particular, are concerned. There was a case some time ago when a 15-year-old girl was raped in a psychiatric hospital in Poland by an adult male patient - she was put there because there was not enough space in a psychiatric ward for kids. Earlier two 13-year-old girls were raped in the same hospital. Is this what a rich, developed, civilised country looks like, according to you?:

uwaga.tvn.pl/reportaze,2671,n/15-latka-zgwalcona-w-szpitalu-wczesniej-zostaly-tam-skrzywdzone-dwie-13-latki-oficjalna-strona-progr,295572.html

Maybe you should start watching TVN after all?
OP pawian 223 | 24,567
14 Jan 2023 #67
The economist who gave the name to the reforms which transformed a communist country into a capitalist one was Leszek Balcerowicz. Hence, the Polish language adopted the term: Balcerowicz`s Plan.

To some people he was a saviour, to others - monster.

polishhistory.pl/the-balcerowicz-plan-an-economic-leap-into-the-unknown/

THE BALCEROWICZ PLAN: AN ECONOMIC LEAP INTO THE UNKNOWN
1989 - THE BEGINNING OF THE POLISH ECONOMIC REFORMS
Three decades ago, parliament passed a package of bills rebuilding the Polish economy - they came to be known as "The Balcerowicz plan". The dispute over the assessment of these reforms has been ongoing since 1989. One thing is certain - it was a pioneering operation that allowed for a rapid transition from communism to capitalism.




Alien 21 | 5,165
15 Jan 2023 #68
Leszek Balcerowicz. H

One of the greatest Poles and as usual it starts with a P: Plan Balcerowicza.
amiga500 4 | 1,528
15 Jan 2023 #69
What the hell is wrong with you? He still believes and is spouting his outdated and obscene theories even today, besides he was just the face and merely a note taker, he pretty much did what the Jeffrey Sachs and the americans told him.
OP pawian 223 | 24,567
22 Dec 2023 #70
the chuckle of history. It means that suddenly the traditional views on history are turned upside down and new ones arise.

One example which comes to my mind is connected with this thread. It was a chuckle of history that many Poles rejected the initial capitalist shock and voted for the left parties aka former communists in the coming elections through 1990s. In 1993 repainted communists won the national and in 1995 the presidential elections. Only a few years after abolishing communism! That was a shame but clearly shows the disappointment with the capitalist transformation.

Former communists won over 20% votes and created the gov with the peasant party. Solidarity parties had more voters but were conflicted with each other and in political disarray.

The photo which symbolizes the chuckle of history - the infamous spokesman of the communist gov from the most tragic years of the martial law is rejoicing his buddies` victory:

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OP pawian 223 | 24,567
22 Dec 2023 #71
In 1993 repainted communists won the national a

The elections were attended by 52 percent entitled to vote, took place on September 19, 1993 and brought unquestionable success to the groups originating from the previous system. The largest number of votes was obtained by SLD (20.4%), followed by PSL (15.4%), UD (10.6%), UP (7.3%), KPN (5.8%) , BBWR (5.4%). The remaining parties and coalitions did not manage to overcome the electoral threshold, which meant that there were no candidates in the Sejm for whom a total of over 34 percent cast their votes.

These election results were not a big surprise; the polls showed that the majority of the population (about 2/3) assessed the economic situation poorly, and more than half believed that their situation was getting worse. It is therefore not surprising that a large part of voters decided to choose a party that had not participated in power after 1989 and was considered to have a program and competent politicians; At the same time, a phenomenon known as "short memory" emerged - due to the passage of time and the negative aspects of the current situation, for which the Solidarity camp governments were blamed, the period before 1989 was relatively better and better assessed, and therefore SLD was less and less burdened by the events associated with this period. responsibility.

Alien 21 | 5,165
22 Dec 2023 #72
infamous spokesman

Interestingly, this time he didn't show his ears, only his tongue.
OP pawian 223 | 24,567
22 Dec 2023 #73
only his tongue.

Not only Solidarity but also his commie buddies rebuked him for being so arrogant. They didn`t accept that giant bottle of champagne to avoid unnerving their opponents even further.
Alien 21 | 5,165
22 Dec 2023 #74
bottle of champagne

Fortunately, it's not champagne but Schloss Wachenheim sparkling wine.
OP pawian 223 | 24,567
22 Dec 2023 #75
Schloss Wachenheim sparkling wine.

In Poland all German sparkling wines are called champagne tu unnerve those arrogant Frenchies. :):):)
Alien 21 | 5,165
22 Dec 2023 #76
are called champagne

Yes, I remember these generalizations, e.g. during communism, every off-road vehicle was a "GAZIK", just as today every off-road vehicle is called a Jeep/Dżip


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