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"Poland's Concentration Camp" ??


Borrka 37 | 594
6 May 2008 #31
Harry I really enjoy reading your postings.
You have to be a very intelligent and well educated person in the real life.

Just my five cents to your lecture on Polish concentration camps.
The true is both Hitler and Himmler were Poles.
And frankly, running these camps is even today our favorite occupation only the bad EU - guys from Brussels make problems from time to time.
Zgubiony 15 | 1,554
6 May 2008 #32
The true is both Hitler and Himmler were Poles

Huh? Did you 2(harry) go to the same school?
Harry
6 May 2008 #33
What did you expect? Were they supposed to pack it up and send it to Germany?

Close it. Permanently.

The camp was operated by NKVD and the prisoners were German POWs, mostly Waffen SS fellas.

Liar. The camp was operated by NKVD (Soviets) and MBP (Poles). The prisoners were a mixture of Volksdeutsch and Armia Krajowa, with a few members of 'reactionary or criminal elements' thrown in for good measure. In other words: they were Poles.

Your countrymen operated concentration camps in which your countrymen were imprisoned. Deal with it.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
6 May 2008 #34
Close it. Permanently.

Why. It should never be closed. It needs to serve as a reminder.

Liar. The camp was operated by NKVD (Soviets) and MBP (Poles).

And WTF was MBP if not a soviet controlled gang?

The prisoners were a mixture of Volksdeutsch and Armia Krajowa, with a few members of 'reactionary or criminal elements' thrown in for good measure. In other words: they were Poles.

Not so fast. The correct statement should be "some were Poles".
Back to the topic. What you have shown here is that communists have been the scourge of the Earth.

Your countrymen operated concentration camps in which your countrymen were imprisoned. Deal with it.

My family already has and, unlike you, they were able to move on. Some were prisoners in Auschwitz and other camps during WW2, you fool. Some were were prisoners in such camps after WW2, ands some escaped from transports to Siberia in 1940's.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
6 May 2008 #35
The prisoners were a mixture of Volksdeutsch and Armia Krajowa, with a few members of 'reactionary or criminal elements' thrown in for good measure. In other words: they were Poles.

And... ? Har, does It really turn you on so much... ? I wonder how that happens... What would have to happen to make me join let's say... Jewish forums, run all around the place writing about any negative aspects of Jewish histry - for example that nazi ghettos were in fact run by Jews and there were "Jewish police" guarding the walls, that most of commanders of Stalinistic genocidal secret services just after WW2 were Jews plus of course taking anti-Jew side in every possible case... what would that show ? Probably my love for Jews just like you show your love for the Poles in your posts on PFs. May God help you and make you leave behinde your sick xenophobia.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510
6 May 2008 #36
harry appears to be suffering from nothing more than a minor bout of phf syndrome
southern 75 | 7,096
6 May 2008 #37
The Germans left the concentration camp in January 1945 but it was still in operation in April of 1947. And if we include the subcamps, Germans ran the site for four years and eight months, while Poles ran the site for eleven years.

Did the Poles continue the german methods of using gases to kill Jews or did they add new methods to the repertoire?
celinski 31 | 1,258
6 May 2008 #38
Poland did not have concentration camps. "Nazi/Soviet" camps. End of story.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
6 May 2008 #39
Nice try Carol but Stalin died in 1953. Poles were still operating one of the one of the Auschwitz subcamps in 1956.

Please tell us about the 'sub-camp' you mention.
southern 75 | 7,096
6 May 2008 #40
Poland did not have concentration camps.

So where did you keep your Jews?
celinski 31 | 1,258
6 May 2008 #42
So where did you keep your Jews?

Correction, Where did you keep the victim's? (Not all were Jewish) In Nazi Concentration camps , in occupied Poland.
southern 75 | 7,096
6 May 2008 #43
Celinski open your mind.You have to provide a legitimate answer.The Germans leave Poland chased by red army and the Jews in concentration camps(the ones who remained) are freed(except the ones who were moved to german concentration camps).What did you do with them?

Tell for example.We gave them the opportunity to join the new dynamic state of Israel.This is a good answer.
celinski 31 | 1,258
6 May 2008 #44
Shot I thought they were in the US.
southern 75 | 7,096
6 May 2008 #45
I thought they were in the US

Tell sth like that.Do not let them mislead that you continued keeping them in concentration camps when the Germans left.
plk123 8 | 4,149
6 May 2008 #46
Armia Krajowa

i don't think so. maybe you ought to read up on the AK, eh?
Harry
6 May 2008 #47
Why. It should never be closed. It needs to serve as a reminder.

Let me be more exact: it should have been closed to new prisoners

And WTF was MBP if not a soviet controlled gang?

A gang of Poles.

The correct statement should be "some were Poles".

The vast majority were Poles. Seeing as your original statement was that the prisoners were German soldiers and now you say some were Poles, you have just admitted that some Poles fought for the Nazis. Oops.

Back to the topic. What you have shown here is that communists have been the scourge of the Earth.

Remind me: how many members did the Polish communist party have in 1956?

Poland did not have concentration camps. "Nazi/Soviet" camps. End of story.

Ah yes. All the fault of the Soviets. All of the Poles working there were doing so at gunpoint. No guilt at all for any Poles. Dream on.

What about your pre-war concentration camp? Was that Soviet or Nazi run?

Please tell us about the 'sub-camp' you mention.

Jaworzno is the one which ran until 1956.

Did the Poles continue the german methods of using gases to kill Jews or did they add new methods to the repertoire?

Those were death camps. We're talking about concentration camps.
plk123 8 | 4,149
6 May 2008 #48
Remind me: how many members did the Polish communist party have in 1956?

you have no clue about any of this do you? shame, shame..
Harry
6 May 2008 #49
The figure I can find fastest is that in the 1970s the PZPR hd 3.5 million members. So z-dariusz is calling 3.5 million Poles the scourge of the Earth.
celinski 31 | 1,258
6 May 2008 #50
Harry do you understand Poland was taken over by COMMUNISM, yes I blame Soviets seeing that if you even spoke about there crimes they commited you were shot. As in dead. They were not living as a free Poland independent of Soviets. Even today there are pre 1989 within the goverment of Poland messing things up.
plk123 8 | 4,149
6 May 2008 #51
Harry, i bet there were even more commies in PL then but the thing you're missing that majority had to be so they could live. see celinski's post too.
Easy_Terran 3 | 312
6 May 2008 #52
Jaworzno is the one which ran until 1956

ran by Solomon Morel.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
6 May 2008 #53
We're talking about concentration camps.

Any kind of prison is a form of a concentration camp... Totalitarian regim imposed by foreign force and supported by ~5% of Poles was persecuting and killing Polish patriots and now according to you... we should do what, be ashamed of that... ? Har, you are not only Polonophobic, you are getting down to the level of primitive trolling...
plk123 8 | 4,149
6 May 2008 #54
Grzegorz_

holy cow.
JuliePotocka 5 | 188
7 May 2008 #55
Ah, we never ran any concentration camps, what are you smoking, Harry!?

The Jews and other concentration camps in OCCUPIED POLAND were freed. Some migrated to other countries, such as the US or Israel. In the 1960s, Communist controlled Poland wasn't very kind to Jews, and wouldn't allow them to come home to Poland...another story that is now part of another thread.

Communist controlled Poland wasn't very kind to anyone, and sucked up as many resources and manpower for RUSSIA's benefit, NOT for Poland's whatsoever.
Harry
7 May 2008 #56
Harry do you understand Poland was taken over by COMMUNISM, yes I blame Soviets seeing that if you even spoke about there crimes they commited you were shot.

What was the penalty for not running a concentration camp? All members of the MBP were volunteers.

Your 'I don't blame those Poles for doing that, they were only following orders' line is what is commonly referred to as the Nuremberg Defense. It went down very well at Nuremberg and at the trials of the German concentration camp and death camp guards. I assume that you also attach no blame to the GIs who massacred 500 civilians at My Lai and the torturers at Abu Ghraib, they were only following orders too.

Harry, i bet there were even more commies in PL then but the thing you're missing that majority had to be so they could live.

So you are claiming that the penalty for not joining the PZPR was death? Very realistic.

ran by Solomon Morel.

Yes it was. Well done. Mr Morel was which nationality: a) German; b) Russian; c) Polish?

And Czesław Gęborski, the commander, of the £ambinowice camp for German Silesians (civilians) and former members of the Anders army was : a) German; b) Russian; c) Polish?

Any kind of prison is a form of a concentration camp...

No. A prison is where criminals are locked up. But if the best defense that you have for the actions of your countrymen and the amnesia of your nation is saying that 'any prison is a form of concentration camp' we now know that you have no way to defend the actions or the amnesia.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
7 May 2008 #57
Yes it was. Well done. Mr Morel was which nationality: a) German; b) Russian; c) Polish?

Funny how bad Jews living in Poland are always called Poles, whereas good Poles of the Hebrew extraction are always called Jews. Never mind.

What some of you in this thread do not seem to understand is that the 2WW did not end in 1945 for quite a few countries - Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia to name just a few. Once the Germans were ousted, a power struggle began between the pre-war leadership and the new, communist, Soviet-supported one. This effectually meant civil war. Of course Poles killed Poles and Czechs killed Czechs. And it is remembered! That's the greatest tragedy of it all. While the world was rejoicing that the greatest atrocity in history had ended, the newly created Iron Curtain countries were still at it, while keeping up all pretences of normality and peaceful existence. The Armia Krajowa suffered terribly, having survived the war they were now being hunted down like rats, tortured and killed. If you spoke your mind, you disappeared. Pure and simple. People got killed for telling political jokes, for crying out loud. Why do you think 1956 means so much to the Polish? This was the first year after the war in which things returned to anything resembling "normal". And if you think Stalin's death had anything to do with this change, you are right. Please read a bit about Stalinism and its terrible legacy. A good start is "The Black Book of Communism" - not written by Poles, by the way.
Harry
7 May 2008 #58
Funny how bad Jews living in Poland are always called Poles, whereas good Poles of the Hebrew extraction are always called Jews. Never mind.

No by me they aren't.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
7 May 2008 #59
...so is Mr S. Morel Jewish after all?
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510
7 May 2008 #60
did anyone actually clarify the difference between a jewish pole and a polish jew?


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