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Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland


Sokrates 8 | 3,346
25 Aug 2011 #241
No, it made it a multicultural land.

A multicultural land with polish majority, polish built cities, polish schools, polish univerisity, got any more fun ideas Palivec? Whats now western Ukraine wa until 1945 a polish land in every way imaginable.

Poles did the same in their "recovered territories".

No they did not, unlike neo-nazis like you who deny that western Ukraine was historically a polish land Poles never denied german heritage in Lower Silesia, Pomerania is iffy since it had quite often a polish majority.
Ironside 50 | 10,907
25 Aug 2011 #242
Poles did the same in their "recovered territories".

Did they ? when ?
bloody retard !
Palivec - | 380
25 Aug 2011 #243
No they did not, unlike neo-nazis like you who deny that western Ukraine was historically a polish land Poles never denied german heritage in Lower Silesia, Pomerania is iffy since it had quite often a polish majority.

A land with several large ethnic groups is multicultural. Neo-Nazis usually don't accept the concept of multiculturalism. Pomerania was German, what you mean is Pomeralia. And the "never denied German heritage" in Silesia comprises of expelled people and a deliberately destroyed culture till the 80's.

Did they ? when ?
bloody retard !

Want examples?

Oh btw., dear mod:
2. Posters should refrain from using abusive or derogatory language (unless it's necessary to explain the language's nuances). Posters who use abusive or derogatory language towards other users may be banned.

Bloody retard and Neo-Nazi?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
25 Aug 2011 #244
A land with several large ethnic groups is multicultural.

Nope its multi-ethnical, a land with several cultures is multicultural.

Want examples?

Yes i do but seeing that you're an anti-polish neo-nazi with a long history of lying and dodging the burden of proof i expect you to do the same now.
Ironside 50 | 10,907
25 Aug 2011 #245
Oh btw., dear mod:
2. Posters should refrain from using abusive or derogatory language (unless it's necessary to explain the language's nuances). Posters who use abusive or derogatory language towards other users may be banned.

You notoriously are going off-topic in almost every thread. It could be considered flaming and stubborn trolling and should be baned for that.

Ah and my language is not abusive is merely statement of the fact.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
25 Aug 2011 #246
Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland

This is no chance at present.
pawian 177 | 14,592
28 Aug 2011 #247
=Sokrates]polish schools, polish univerisity,

Because Ukrainian schools, uiniversities and Orthodox churches were banned by Polish authotities before the war?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
28 Aug 2011 #248
Where were ukrainian schools and universities for the past 500 years when they were NOT banned though? Of course Poland supressed Ukrainians during interbellum, their terrorist actions against polish people warranted such actions.

The point is Ukrainians never did develop a noteworthy culture of any sort and you can't blame that on the 19 years of supression when they did nothing for over 500 years.
pawian 177 | 14,592
28 Aug 2011 #249
The point is Ukrainians never did develop a noteworthy culture of any sort

Of course you are wrong. Did you ever hear about Ukrainian cooperatives, very successful enterprises?

More: /wiki/Ukrainian_cooperative_movement

Sokrates, don`t you understand that Poles refuse to admit any Ukrainian development in the same way as Germans refuse to admit any civilisation created by Poles? Don`t be as silly as some silly Germans.

The point is Ukrainians never did develop a noteworthy culture of any sort

Really? So how was it possible they rejected the Polish culture?
Palivec - | 380
28 Aug 2011 #250
Number of universities before 1772 (Polish particions):
France: 40
Italy: 32
Spain: 35
Germany: 34
Poland: 3

How many universities are needed to be a "noteworthy culture"?
pawian 177 | 14,592
28 Aug 2011 #251
Source, please!
Palivec - | 380
28 Aug 2011 #252
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_early_modern_universities_in_Europe
pawian 177 | 14,592
28 Aug 2011 #253
Thanks.

I have a problem though. Why does the 18 century list state that the Pau University in France was founded in 1722, while Pau`s Wiki entry states that its university was founded in 1972 ????

Your source:
1722[2] Pau France

Wiki entry:
The Université de Pau et des Pays de l'Adour, founded in 1972, means there is a high student population.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau,_Pyr%C3%A9n%C3%A9es-Atlantiques

Sorry, judging by this falsification, I don`t believe your source.

Well, another truthful source is pending, I suppose.

PS. Besides, read carefully from your source:
The list of early modern universities in Europe comprises all universities which existed in the early modern age (1501-1800) in Europe. It also includes short-lived foundations and educational institutions whose university status is a matter of debate.
Palivec - | 380
28 Aug 2011 #254
And? It wasn't my argument that the culture of a nation can be judged by the number of universities. And even without shortlived universities the number in Western countries is way higher than in Poland. In case France only had 15 continuously operating universities, the ratio would still be 5:1.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
28 Aug 2011 #255
while Pau`s Wiki entry states that its university was founded in 1972 ????

Wasn't there some sort of big change in the French university system after the events of 1968?

I don't remember the details at all, but I know the "Paris University" was broken up afterwards...
pawian 177 | 14,592
28 Aug 2011 #256
And? It wasn't my argument that the culture of a nation can be judged by the number of universities. And even without shortlived universities the number in Western countries is way higher than in Poland. In case France only had 15 continuously operating universities, the ratio would still be 5:1.

Why are you lying about Polish historic universities?There were more than three as you claim:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademia_Zamojska

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubra%C5%84ski_Academy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilno_University

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politechnika_Lwowska

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lw%C3%B3w_University

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_University

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collegium_Hosianum

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szko%C5%82a_Rycersk

And even without shortlived universities the number in Western countries is way higher than in Poland.

Check the population numbers, moron.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
29 Aug 2011 #257
Palivec lying again, what a suprise.
Palivec - | 380
29 Aug 2011 #258
Why are you lying about Polish historic universities?There were more than three as you claim:

1. It's not my claim but the claim of Wikipedia.
2. Academies are no universities. Looks like stupidity rules in this forum.
3. the university of Warsaw was established after the Polish partitions.

Check the population numbers, moron.

Population around 1700:
Germany: 15 mio
France: 21 mio
Spain: 5 mio
Italy: ~13 mio
Poland: 8 mio

And?

Not the best source, but good luck finding a better one:
tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/index.html

Palivec lying again, what a suprise.

Never seen a university from the inside, eh?
So, what with your theory about judging "noteworthy cultures" by the number of universities now? Should Western Europeans consider Poland to be a noteworthy culture ot not? Maybe you simply shouldn't start with such stupid generalisations...
pawian 177 | 14,592
29 Aug 2011 #259
1. It's not my claim but the claim of Wikipedia.

As a man of historic knowledge and education, you should know how to use Wikipedia wisely, instead of blindly copying and pasting information which is incomplete or simply false in case of Poland.

You wrote

Poland: 3

By those 3 Polish universities you probably meant:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagiellonian_University
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademia_Zamojska
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collegium_Hosianum

You cleverly omitted the one in Breslau, which was founded in 1700s and is described by your Wiki source as located in Poland. However, you knew that it was founded by Germans so it is unjust to ascribe it to Poles.

However, if you were so clever with Breslau, why didn`t you count universities which were founded and run by Poles for centuries but according to your Wiki link, are located in different countries today, Lithuania and Ukraine?

I mean these:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lw%C3%B3w_University
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilno_University

Don`t you agree it makes 5 and not 3 as you said? I claim you provided false info that is why I called you a liar.

Well, yes, it is still a small number compared with Italy, France, Germany or Spain, but it is not so bad, after all.

=Palivec]2. Academies are no universities. Looks like stupidity rules in this forum.
3. the university of Warsaw was established after the Polish partitions.

OK, I am not going to defend these points. :):):)
bullfrog 6 | 603
6 Sep 2011 #260
I still found it mesmerizing to see how Wikipedia has achieved such iconic status as being almost the only source used to substantiate statements on this forum. Ease of access and ubiquity (which Wiki has) does not guarantee reliability..
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
6 Sep 2011 #261
People like Palivec, PFEI and Nathan actively edit wiki before posting what they wrote as source.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,839
6 Sep 2011 #262
wiki is truly superb, but people are dumb about it like religion

myspace.com/4thtestament

'actively edit wiki before posting what they wrote as source' - probably true.
PWEI 3 | 612
6 Sep 2011 #263
People like Palivec, PFEI and Nathan actively edit wiki before posting what they wrote as source.

Really? Do I? Could you be so kind as to either post a link to a post here where I quote from wikipedia and provide a link showing that part of the article which I quote was edited in the time between the post I was replying to and my post? Or is this yet another example of you simply lying about other posters just because when the truth is told you get your arse kicked by them each and every time?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,839
6 Sep 2011 #264
where I quote from wikipedia

I doubt very much that you edit it, the point is though, that Wiki is not a quotable source, as anyone, with any agenda, could have written anything on there, that is its essence.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
6 Sep 2011 #265
I doubt very much that you edit it,

He does all the time.
PWEI 3 | 612
6 Sep 2011 #266
I note that you have repeated your claim without bothering to provide the links I requested: clearly you are lying and you know that you have been caught lying.
Palivec - | 380
6 Sep 2011 #267
People like Palivec, PFEI and Nathan actively edit wiki before posting what they wrote as source.

Yes, sure:
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_early_modern_universities_in_Europe&action=history

Last edited 18 days before I posted the link here. LOL!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
6 Sep 2011 #268
People like Palivec, PFEI and Nathan actively edit wiki before posting what they wrote as source.

Perhaps you should read more books, then.
Ogorki - | 114
7 Sep 2011 #269
It's not how many you have - it's the quality of the ones you have.
Mykola
17 Nov 2014 #270
While Kiev shouts that Moscow plays off Russian-speaking citizens in Ukraine against Ukrainians, a broad spectrum of local press and online newspapers in the very Lviv try to pit native Ukrainians against ethnic Poles, lived in the Western Ukraine, especially in our Lviv province now. The matter is that most of local Poles really consider that Lviv has always been and is the ancient Polish city in the Ukraine (fredandreaseasterneurope2013/wordpress.com/lviv-the ancient-polish-city-in-the-ukraine/comment-page-1/). The more so as Warsaw actively supports now any attempts of those Poles here, who dare to openly say, "just wait, Lviv's lands will be Polish again very soon!"

Surely, Ukrainians, lived here, do not want to be a part of Poland at all, and it wakens a great hate to local Poles, resulting in constant clashes between Ukrainian and Polish people, which resonates with growing activity of local nationalists and militants from notorious Pravy Sector here.

In other words, the situation becomes more and more dangerous not only for current Ukraine, but also for neighboring Europe in general. And the EU leaders should help us to stop this process as soon as possible!


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