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Blue eyes of Gavrilo Princip for the independance of Poland. Was it worth?


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4 Mar 2011  #1

Serbian Gavrilo Princip - for some, freedom fighter that sacrificed his life. For some others, a terrorist

Let us not forget that independence of new Polish state after 1918 started with sacrifice of one Serbian student in Bosnia, Gavrilo Princip. Gavrilo assassinated Austro-Hungarian archduke Ferdinand, what initiated chain reaction of events that after WWI resulted in independence of Poland.

What i want to ask, was it worth? i mean, Gavrilo was sure that freedom of Slavs was above importance of his life. But, what about Poland? Was independence some `cursed` gift for the state that actually wasn`t ready for the independence or Poland absolutely needed to be independent? On the end, what Poland doing with her independence,... tend to be more independent or tend to endanger its own independence?

What we think?

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4 Mar 2011  #2

He looks like Adolf...
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4 Mar 2011  #3

still, differences are obvious
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4 Mar 2011  #4

What we think?

Stark raving bonkers.

Crow - you're needed on the other thread to claim the Beast of Exmoor, Sherlock Holmes and the Princes in the Tower for Poland.

Off you trot.
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4 Mar 2011  #5

alexw68

you are nervous? Tell me, for what you seek on internet forums? relaxation or trauma?

after hard working day (to admit- even during), i myself coming to relax. If i may learn something, that`s nice. But, relaxation is imperative
alexw68  
4 Mar 2011  #6

you are nervous?

No, just taking the p*ss. Quite therapeutic, one finds.
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4 Mar 2011  #7

He looks like Adolf...

Given that he was a consumptive teenager when he shot Ferdinand and not that much older when he died, that drawing of Crow's really ages him.



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4 Mar 2011  #8

please, tries to contribute to the topic of the thread. Thank you
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4 Mar 2011  #9

All blue eyed people have one common ancestor, so Princip and Hitler are...FAMILY!!!!
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4 Mar 2011  #10

so Princip and Hitler are...FAMILY!!!!

Hitler was Serbian!!!!
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4 Mar 2011  #11

All blue eyed people have one common ancestorr, so Princip and Hitler are...FAMILY!!!!

All people have one common ancestor with all other mammals, come to that. So Princip, Hitler, Col Gaddafi, Ho Chi Min, Bubbles the Chimp the squirrel in your garden and your granny's whalebone corset are family too.
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4 Mar 2011  #12

The Habsburgs had to go and given Princep's tubercular condition perhaps he made a good decision to give his life, which was ending soon regardless, to kill the heir to that moldy dynasty. It does sadden me that two of my great-uncles, both excellent Polish horsemen, died serving in the Austrian cavalry in the war that ensued.
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4 Mar 2011  #13

Princep's tubercular condition perhaps he made a good decision to give his life

Other sources say that he got sick in jail, poor conditions... and that's the reason of his death.
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4 Mar 2011  #14

right. Whatever was Gavrilo`s health situation, he actually proved to be very vital, considering how long he survived absolutely abnormal conditions for one human being. Gavrilo died four years after then assassination, in 1918 (he was maybe even killed by authorities if they wanted to prevent his liberation after the war). i would only say that at the time of his death, Princip weighed around 40 kilograms (88 lb), weakened by malnutrition, blood loss from his amputated arm, and disease.
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5 Mar 2011  #15

Crow as i said before. You're a thinker. i believe a lot of people are missing the point in what you're trying to say.

You like it or not, Pollacks are more related to Serbs by blood than to any eastern European Russians or Czechs or Bulgarians... btw Ukrainians are our mother in law essentially...

BTW. Check out the new research on national geographic... "the genographic project" most of this stuff can be proven by the recent genome research. For anyone that actually cares and want to find out where pollack came from...

fock you all

Havok
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5 Mar 2011  #16

Princip was a Serb who did what he did for Serbia. IMHO he was a brave young man who unleashed a terrible chain of events.

Do you really think,he could forsee his act would lead to the first world war,the deaths of millions and the Russian revoloution?
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5 Mar 2011  #17

Do you really think,he could forsee his act would lead to the first world war,the deaths of millions and the Russian revoloution?

He didn't care. He probably would have happily accepted the deaths of tens of millions for whatever pro-Serbian policy he was trying to .... whatever. Like Crow.
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5 Mar 2011  #18

hey you two- isthate and mafketise (what a mind blowing nick names, to put cross on myself). Just to tell you- i eat kajmak right now

Later about Gavrilo
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5 Mar 2011  #19

He didn't care. He probably would have happily accepted the deaths of tens of millions for whatever pro-Serbian policy he was trying to .... whatever. Like Crow.

He was just the ignition on a ticking bomb...and his land was under occupation.

he was a brave young man who unleashed a terrible chain of events.

I think he was, regardless what the consequences were...it was just a matter of time that WWI broke out. It happens to be him and his group to light the bomb.
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12 Aug 2011  #20

independance

shot that announced independence of Poland - the day when Serbians rebelled

BDW, it happened on St. Vitus day by the St. Sava`s Serbian Orthodox Church`s calendar. But, its not secret that St. Vitus represent Christianize saint after the pre-Christian and ancient Slavic God- SVETOVID. To insult Serbians and to provoke them on that day was grave mistake of Austro-Hungaria
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12 Aug 2011  #21

Crow, I have a question. How much of Polish history do you learn in schools and how much comes through private research?

Others chose the continuation of his act, they used a pretext. Gavrilo felt he had a point to make and war was always on the table anyway. The quest for independence is always worth it if you believe in it enough.
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29 Jun 2014  #22

Bosnia and Herzegovina: Gavrilo Princip statue unveiled in Sarajevo

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Merged: Should Poland erect monument to Gavrilo Princip? - opinions

So, should Poland erect monument to Gavrilo Princip, to man that initiated chain reaction of events that led to the independence of Poland? Should Poland show its gratitude to the young Serbian student who assassinated Austrian Archduke Ferdinand and sacrificed his life believing that Slavs deserve freedom from Germanic yoke?

Gavrilo

Gavrilo Princip
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13 Jan 2015  #23

So, should Poland erect monument to Gavrilo Princip

Polish people don't like monuments to cowards who murder women. I know that in some places scum who murder women are heroes (even more so if they murder the women after keeping them in special rape camps such as the ones in Grbavica and Foca, where sick scum raped 12-year old girls), but here in Poland we look down on those who murder women; of course you are free to glorify them as much as you want.
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13 Jan 2015  #24

Polish people don't like monuments to cowards who murder women.

she died by mistake, as Gavrilo aimed to hit Franz. Gavrilo admitted it.

Coward is her husband Ferdinand who took her in car with him, no matter that was warned for real possibility of assassination. Think of man who risk the life of his wife that way. But, considering how many animals Franz Ferdinand killed in his life of sport hunter (about 300.000 animals; by Ferdinand`s own records), no wonder that such a man didn`t respect life of its own life.

I know that in some places scum who murder women are heroes (even more so if they murder the women after keeping them in special rape camps such as the ones in Grbavica and Foca, where sick scum raped 12-year old girls)

propaganda Harry. NATO`s and EU`s war propaganda. They needed to justify their alliance with mujaheedines, against Serbs and invented all kind of crap to portrait Serbs as bad guys.

but here in Poland we look down on those who murder women

Then look down at NATO and EU

of course you are free to glorify them as much as you want.

why not. Gavrilo was freedom fighter, Ferdinand was invader.

Gavrilo Princip contributed a lot of to liberation of Poland.
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13 Jan 2015  #25

she died by mistake, as Gavrilo aimed to hit Franz. Gavrilo admitted it.

Go and look up the word 'murder'.

propaganda Harry. NATO`s and EU`s war propaganda.

While you've got out the dictionary, look up the word 'propaganda'.
The rapes (and murder) of tens of thousands of Bosnian women by the same kind of scum that murdered Duchess Sophie is a proven fact and recognised world-wide. That you still claim it never happened is one of the main reasons you should be banned from PF and every other public forum on the internet: you bring shame on Serbia and you badly damage the image of Serbs the world over. A lot of people haven't met any Serbs, they don't know that most Serbs are good people, but they have heard about the crimes committed by a tiny minority of Serbs and now they see you making excuses for the rapists and murderers: who can blame them for concluding that all Serbs are either murderous rapist scum or so contemptible that they excuse and defend murderous rapist scum?
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13 Jan 2015  #26

Go and look up the word 'murder'.

bottom line is, she was at wrong place in wrong time. She wasn`t target but Franz. She is collateral victim. After all, ultimately, she was also representative of foreign invader and so hear death was death on duty, meaning- she was also legitimate target. But, between you and me Harry, her husband killed her insisting that she goes with him in the death car. Cruel Franz

While you've got out the dictionary, look up the word 'propaganda'.

Propaganda Harry, yes. Believe it or not Harry, NATO and EU are capable to invent things in order to achieve their goals. Back then, when pledge to destroy Yugoslavia, EU and NATO were in alliance with worse Islamic mujaheedines, now days those same mujaheedines coming to them as boomerang. Go figure that Harry
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13 Jan 2015  #27

she was also legitimate target.

The fact that you consider innocent women to be "legitimate targets" is no surprise. However, here in Poland we do not share your sick views; here in Poland we do not want statues of scum who murder innocent women.

she was also representative of foreign invader

Your lack of knowledge of basic historical fact is as unsurprising as your support for the murder of innocent women.

Propaganda Harry, yes.

Every time you deny the crimes of a tiny minority of your countrymen you harm all of your countrymen. For the good of all Serbs you should be banned from PF and all other internet forums.
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13 Jan 2015  #28

The fact that you consider innocent women to be "legitimate targets" is no surprise. However, here in Poland we do not share your sick views; here in Poland we do not want statues of scum who murder innocent women.

i don`t consider her legitimate target, neither did the Gavrilo, who nicely explained when asked. Just, it happened that she die being on wrong place in wrong time. She should stay at home and not taken part in provocation of Serbs. You must admit Harry, if you wants to be honest (hand on heart), that Ferdinand pushed her a little bit harder and she fell from the edge. Don`t blame Gavrilo now

Your lack of knowledge of basic historical fact is as unsurprising as your support for the murder of innocent women.

stop repeating your nonsenses Harry. Nobody here suggests murdering innocent woman. You know its not about it

Every time you deny the crimes of a tiny minority of your countrymen you harm all of your countrymen. For the good of all Serbs you should be banned from PF and all other internet forums.

i warmly suggests you to pray Harry. You lying a lot of but, God shell found way to forgive you
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13 Jan 2015  #29

i don`t consider her legitimate target

How quickly you back-track on what you say when it is pointed out everybody what kind of 'man' supports killing innocent women. Didn't you just say:

meaning- she was also legitimate target.

You must admit Harry, if you wants to be honest (hand on heart), that Ferdinand pushed her a little bit harder and she fell from the edge. Don`t blame Gavrilo now

That is utterly pathetic, even by your ultra-disgusting standards. Do you also want to blame the fathers of the 12-year old children your Serbian heroes raped in Foca for that Serbian crime? Is there no low you won't stoop to in order to defend Serb criminals and scum?

A statue of Gavrilo Princip would be as welcome in Poland as a statue of the paedophile rapists from Foca, perhaps even less welcome: at least the actions of the paedophile scum didn't result in the deaths of more than a million Poles.
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13 Jan 2015  #30

How quickly you back-track on what you say when it is pointed out everybody what kind of 'man' supports killing innocent women. Didn't you just say:

Point is, i know that she wasn`t Gavrilo`s target. i myself think that she wasn`t target, don`t see reason for it. Just, she shouldn`t be there, same way, after all, as Ferdinand shouldn`t be there. We all know that Ferdinand exposed her and she paid with her life, Fran`z`s stupidity, arrogance and maniacal necessity to control things.

That is utterly pathetic, even by your ultra-disgusting standards. Do you also want to blame the fathers of the 12-year old children your Serbian heroes raped in Foca for that Serbian crime? Is there no low you won't stoop to in order to defend Serb criminals and scum?

Let God forgive you for your lies. NATO and EU propaganda machinery destroyed your brain. They wanted war and they invented reasons for the war

A statue of Gavrilo Princip would be as welcome in Poland as a statue of the paedophile rapists from Foca, perhaps even less welcome: at least the actions of the paedophile scum didn't result in the deaths of more than a million Poles.

Thanks for opinion.

/i shall pray for you/




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