And medieval Poland took Silesia from Bohemia. Who's clever now?
As far as I remember Palivec is a ridiculous character from the well known book by Hašek. I like him (Hašek )
Early medieval Bohemia was a small area around Praha which did not even have common borders with Poland . You should not confuse your early medieval Czechia and early medieval Moravia
It was very clever of you. haha Of course you are much more cleverer, hahah
You see, I have lived here in PL all my life and trust me, regaining Lwów is not on anybody's agenda save some fringe nationalist circles.
Yes, it's true , but some nationalist circles in the Ukraine and Byelorussia like talking about Przemyśl, Białystok etc and I do not see any reason why their counterparts in Poland shouldn't do the same
[quote=sobieski]Because their bricks were stolen to rebuild Warsaw. [/quote
Better say the bricks were used to rebuild Warsaw. And why Warsaw needed rebuilding ?
You probably have never tried to write science fiction before, I consider the sentence above to be a great success
But try writing science fiction drama in some other place , please
village of Szczedrzyk, which was spelled Sczedrzik in Prussian times, and given the new German name of Hitlersee (Hitler's lake) during the Third Reich.
and in 1932 the village was given the new German name of Ringwalde, because the village is ringed or surrounded by forests
What a wonderful names ... I especially like Hitlersee........
They lost their colony - poor and back warded - and got in return rich Silesia,
village of Szczedrzyk, which was spelled Sczedrzik in Prussian times, and given the new German name of Hitlersee (Hitler's lake) during the Third Reich.
The name Hitlersee is not German enough , in my opinion (They may still think that the village is Polish and besides , this name is not respectful enough ) I suppose HitlerOcean befits him better, much better . Yes, it maust be ocean.
This respectful name reflects secular piety and shows respectful significance for the German fuhrer
Yes, let's commemorate him in a more German way !!!
: village of Szczedrzyk, which was spelled Sczedrzik in Prussian times, and given the new German name of Hitlersee (Hitler's lake) during the Third Reich.
...and in 1932 the village was given the new German name of Ringwalde, because the village is ringed or surrounded by forests
What a wonderful names ... I especially like Hitlersee
New names were given to tens (if not hundreds) of small towns and villages of Schlesien in the 1930s just because their original names sounded much too slavic to the German ear represented at that time by the democratically-elected rulers of the Thousand-Year Reich. This happened in 1936 or 1937 and not in 1932, however. "Ringwalde" sounds quite nice, all the more nicer than "Biestrzinnik" for the officials in Berlin who were supposed to reign over Schlesien (and most of Europe) for the next thousand years or so, which name may have indeed seemed too difficult for them to pronounce. "Hitlersee" seems to be really a bit of an exaggeration, even though for people like Sobieski, Jon357 or Palivec (not even mentioning Harry here), such a name may sound slightly better than Sczedrzik.
Names of major Schlesien cities were spared the honour of having been changed into proudly-sounding Germanic ones even if the majoritiy of them were of Slavic origin (Schweidnitz, Lignitz, Glogau, Oppeln, Brieg, Ohlau, etc.) simply because it would have brought too much fuss on the administrative level.
For the idea expressed in the title of the thread, I am strongly against it! In this respect, I follow the principia of Polish eastern policy as laid down after the WW2 by Polish aristocrat Jerzy Gedroyc, an exile in Paris, he himself born in Minsk, today's capital city of Belorus.
"Hitlersee" seems to be really a bit of an exaggeration, even though for people like Sobieski, Jon357 or Palivec (not even mentioning Harry here), such a name may sound slightly better than Sczedrzik.
New names were given to tens (if not hundreds) of small towns and villages of Schlesien in the 1930s just because their original names sounded much too slavic to the German ear
As opposed to all the towns and villages in the land Poland stole from Germany which had to be given Polish names because they simply had never had Polish names....
HitlerOcean sounds OK to me . Good idea . Hehe. It shows the infinite depth of the German Fuhrer's thought and the depth of German thinking in general : the Polish concentration camps and german Silesia are what they have been wanting to make clear to the world for years.............
I follow the principia of Polish eastern policy as laid down after the WW2 by Polish aristocrat Jerzy Gedroyc, an exile in Paris, he himself born in Minsk, today's capital city of Belorus.
By theoretician about theoretical political idea a one which even hasn't been now and original. He was counting on grass root development in the Soviet Union where potential and real nationalities would rebel against Soviets under the banner of their national idea and national state. In such hypothetical situation he wanted Poland to rather help and support those movements than trying to regain her territories.
It was an abstract construction very wobbly at best with no standing. In fact Soviet Union crumbled from the top to bottom nothing like his predictions.
In fact such dogmatic principles are just pure nonsense. Pure dream stuff.
he poster I was replying to was just naming people who beat him in the arguments he starts.
From what you said to WB it is impossible as you are not partaking in debates.
As opposed to all the towns and villages in the land Poland stole from Germany
Harry do not lie again, Poland naver stole from Germany any lands.
It shows the infinite depth of the German Fuhrer's thought and the depth of German thinking in general : the Polish concentration camps and german Silesia are what they have been wanting to make clear to the world for years.............
Hmm, lets see: in German Silesia we had Slavic and German place names, Germans, Poles, Czechs and Jews, and Catholic + Protestant churches and Jewish synagogues. Now we have Polish names, Polish people and Catholic churches. The rest fled,was expelled, destroyed, leveled. Looks like Polish nationalism was way more effective than German Nazism in Silesia.
As opposed to all the towns and villages in the land Poland stole from Germany which had to be given Polish names because they simply had never had Polish names....
And In this world it is the done thing to pay for the ridiculous superiority feeling and stupidity in general. Didn't you know ?
As opposed to all the towns and villages in the land the Germans stole from the Baltic Prussians which had to be given German names because they simply had never had Germans names..
And In this world it is the done thing to pay for the ridiculous superiority feeling and stupidity in general. Didn't you know ?
One hopes that that doesn't apply to Poland and Poles.
As opposed to all the towns and villages in the land the Germans stole from the Baltic Prussians which had to be given German names because they simply had never had Germans names.
That would be a masterly point, were it not for the tiny detail that many of those towns and villages never had names before their German names because they didn't exist before their German names. Neidenburg would be a good example, clearly too good for certain Poles who thought that the first Polish version of the name, Nibork, said too much about who founded the town. Johannisburg would be a classic example too: Jansbork in Polish from the time it was founded Teutonic knights but that was too Germanic in 1946
And then there are the ones which used to have German names which were similar to their original names and whose original Polish names came from the German name but those names sounded too Germanic after WWII and so new names were made up for them; Raistpilis / Rastenburg / Rastembork springs to mind, as does Sensburg / Zadzbork, brand new names for both those places.
Looks like the end result of the German nationalism in action come back to bite them in the ass.
Poles have to live with the result of Polish nationalism, not Germans. They just can't find the graves of their families anymore. Interesting how people always defend the action of the Polish Commies in the "recovered territories", who acted just like the Taliban a few decades later.
don't you know that by now the Poles master mind the plan to start the war so they can create Polish concentration camps.
As opposed to all the towns and villages in the land Poland stole from Germany which had to be given Polish names because they simply had never had Polish names....
well harry just to let you known of a fact that you keep forgetting that Poland was occupied by soviets until 1989 so Poland could not still anything from anyone in 1945. look at the map of Poland and western borders before partitions and before ww2 then ask yourself why Germans stole Polish land.
give them time. Its not easy to lead Poland. Look what happened to the patriotic President Lech Kaczyński. He started openly to support Serbians, wanted to reconcile with Russia, wanted Poland open for cooperation with both- West and East. All that is against official NATO and EU politics. See, its very hard to lead Poland and promote Polish interests. It can kill you
