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Poland must get back Lwow, Wilno and Brest back


Ironside 49 | 10,661
18 Dec 2013 #31
I suppose you mean Schlesien?

Mind your own business instead of trolling.

Because their bricks were stolen to rebuild Warsaw.

Yeah all three of them.

When were you last there? In the summer of this year it didn't look any worse than Lublin starówka. Much larger though.

Who do you think paid for restoration? I will not tell you find out.
jon357 63 | 15,378
19 Dec 2013 #32
Who do you think paid for restoration? I will not tell you find out.

The entire city centre? Given that it's a UNESCO world heritage site, we can assume that it's a bit more complicated than you pretend.
Marek11111 9 | 816
21 Dec 2013 #33
Poland should get back town like Hrodna, Brest and Lviv, and declare all inhabitance a citizens of Poland.
Zibi - | 336
21 Dec 2013 #34
Would you first ask them "inhabitance" if they even want that? Or if Poles want that?
Marek11111 9 | 816
21 Dec 2013 #35
Poles want that?

deep down Poles want that, it is time Poland start demanding their heritage back.
Zibi - | 336
21 Dec 2013 #36
You see, I have lived here in PL all my life and trust me, regaining Lwów is not on anybody's agenda save some fringe nationalist circles.
INSPE - | 29
21 Dec 2013 #37
And medieval Poland took Silesia from Bohemia. Who's clever now?

As far as I remember Palivec is a ridiculous character from the well known book by Hašek.
I like him (Hašek )

Early medieval Bohemia was a small area around Praha which did not even have common borders with
Poland . You should not confuse your early medieval Czechia and early medieval Moravia

It was very clever of you. haha
Of course you are much more cleverer, hahah
R.U.R.
21 Dec 2013 #38
You see, I have lived here in PL all my life and trust me, regaining Lwów is not on anybody's agenda save some fringe nationalist circles.

Yes, it's true , but some nationalist circles in the Ukraine and Byelorussia like talking about
Przemyśl, Białystok etc and I do not see any reason why their counterparts in Poland shouldn't do the same

[quote=sobieski]Because their bricks were stolen to rebuild Warsaw. [/quote

Better say the bricks were used to rebuild Warsaw.
And why Warsaw needed rebuilding ?

You probably have never tried to write science fiction before, I consider the sentence above to be a great success

But try writing science fiction drama in some other place , please
Sparks11 - | 335
22 Dec 2013 #39
No No! You've all got it all wrong... Bath, Tripoli and Dalmatia all should go to Italy. What are you guys worrying about recent events for?
Zibi - | 336
22 Dec 2013 #40
Yes, it's true , but some nationalist circles in the Ukraine and Byelorussia like talking about
Przemyśl, Białystok

Last time I visited Grodno, our local taxi driver said: "Stalin should have drawn the border a bit east of Grodno, we wouldn't mind"
INSPE - | 29
22 Dec 2013 #41
I suppose you mean Schlesien?

polishforums.com/genealogy-ancestry-6/german-war-memorial-upper-s ilesian-village-biestrzynnik-61808/

village of Szczedrzyk, which was spelled Sczedrzik in Prussian times, and given the new German name of Hitlersee (Hitler's lake) during the Third Reich.

and in 1932 the village was given the new German name of Ringwalde, because the village is ringed or surrounded by forests

What a wonderful names ... I especially like Hitlersee........

They lost their colony - poor and back warded - and got in return rich Silesia,

village of Szczedrzyk, which was spelled Sczedrzik in Prussian times, and given the new German name of Hitlersee (Hitler's lake) during the Third Reich.

The name Hitlersee is not German enough , in my opinion
(They may still think that the village is Polish and besides , this name is not respectful enough )
I suppose HitlerOcean befits him better, much better . Yes, it maust be ocean.

This respectful name reflects secular piety and shows respectful significance for the German fuhrer

Yes, let's commemorate him in a more German way !!!
Ziemowit 13 | 4,204
23 Dec 2013 #42
: village of Szczedrzyk, which was spelled Sczedrzik in Prussian times, and given the new German name of Hitlersee (Hitler's lake) during the Third Reich.

...and in 1932 the village was given the new German name of Ringwalde, because the village is ringed or surrounded by forests

What a wonderful names ... I especially like Hitlersee

New names were given to tens (if not hundreds) of small towns and villages of Schlesien in the 1930s just because their original names sounded much too slavic to the German ear represented at that time by the democratically-elected rulers of the Thousand-Year Reich. This happened in 1936 or 1937 and not in 1932, however. "Ringwalde" sounds quite nice, all the more nicer than "Biestrzinnik" for the officials in Berlin who were supposed to reign over Schlesien (and most of Europe) for the next thousand years or so, which name may have indeed seemed too difficult for them to pronounce. "Hitlersee" seems to be really a bit of an exaggeration, even though for people like Sobieski, Jon357 or Palivec (not even mentioning Harry here), such a name may sound slightly better than Sczedrzik.

Names of major Schlesien cities were spared the honour of having been changed into proudly-sounding Germanic ones even if the majoritiy of them were of Slavic origin (Schweidnitz, Lignitz, Glogau, Oppeln, Brieg, Ohlau, etc.) simply because it would have brought too much fuss on the administrative level.

For the idea expressed in the title of the thread, I am strongly against it! In this respect, I follow the principia of Polish eastern policy as laid down after the WW2 by Polish aristocrat Jerzy Gedroyc, an exile in Paris, he himself born in Minsk, today's capital city of Belorus.
jon357 63 | 15,378
23 Dec 2013 #43
"Hitlersee" seems to be really a bit of an exaggeration, even though for people like Sobieski, Jon357 or Palivec (not even mentioning Harry here), such a name may sound slightly better than Sczedrzik.

Why?
INSPE - | 29
23 Dec 2013 #44
"Hitlersee" seems to be really a bit of an exaggeration, even though for people like Sobieski, Jon357 or Palivec (not even mentioning Harry here),

Why?

So it was right to suggest HitlerOcean ?
I suppose, it sounds good to you ?
jon357 63 | 15,378
23 Dec 2013 #45
I suppose, it sounds good to you ?

Sounds bloody awful - Sczedrzik is much better and just as easy to pronounce. Your lake translation is more accurate than ocean though.

BTW, the poster I was replying to was just naming people who beat him in the arguments he starts. At least that's what it looks like.
Harry
23 Dec 2013 #46
New names were given to tens (if not hundreds) of small towns and villages of Schlesien in the 1930s just because their original names sounded much too slavic to the German ear

As opposed to all the towns and villages in the land Poland stole from Germany which had to be given Polish names because they simply had never had Polish names....
R.U.R.
23 Dec 2013 #47
HitlerOcean sounds OK to me . Good idea . Hehe.
It shows the infinite depth of the German Fuhrer's thought and the depth of German thinking in general : the Polish concentration camps and german Silesia are what they have been wanting to make clear to the world for years.............
Ironside 49 | 10,661
23 Dec 2013 #48
I follow the principia of Polish eastern policy as laid down after the WW2 by Polish aristocrat Jerzy Gedroyc, an exile in Paris, he himself born in Minsk, today's capital city of Belorus.

By theoretician about theoretical political idea a one which even hasn't been now and original. He was counting on grass root development in the Soviet Union where potential and real nationalities would rebel against Soviets under the banner of their national idea and national state. In such hypothetical situation he wanted Poland to rather help and support those movements than trying to regain her territories.

It was an abstract construction very wobbly at best with no standing. In fact Soviet Union crumbled from the top to bottom nothing like his predictions.

In fact such dogmatic principles are just pure nonsense. Pure dream stuff.

he poster I was replying to was just naming people who beat him in the arguments he starts.

From what you said to WB it is impossible as you are not partaking in debates.

As opposed to all the towns and villages in the land Poland stole from Germany

Harry do not lie again, Poland naver stole from Germany any lands.
Palivec - | 380
23 Dec 2013 #49
It shows the infinite depth of the German Fuhrer's thought and the depth of German thinking in general : the Polish concentration camps and german Silesia are what they have been wanting to make clear to the world for years.............

Hmm, lets see: in German Silesia we had Slavic and German place names, Germans, Poles, Czechs and Jews, and Catholic + Protestant churches and Jewish synagogues. Now we have Polish names, Polish people and Catholic churches. The rest fled,was expelled, destroyed, leveled. Looks like Polish nationalism was way more effective than German Nazism in Silesia.
R.U.R.
23 Dec 2013 #50
As opposed to all the towns and villages in the land Poland stole from Germany which had to be given Polish names because they simply had never had Polish names....

And In this world it is the done thing to pay for the ridiculous superiority feeling and stupidity in general. Didn't you know ?

As opposed to all the towns and villages in the land the Germans stole from the Baltic Prussians which had to be given German names because they simply had never had Germans names..
Ironside 49 | 10,661
23 Dec 2013 #51
Looks like Polish nationalism was way more effective than German Nazism in Silesia.

Looks like the end result of the German nationalism in action come back to bite them in the ass.
Harry
23 Dec 2013 #52
And In this world it is the done thing to pay for the ridiculous superiority feeling and stupidity in general. Didn't you know ?

One hopes that that doesn't apply to Poland and Poles.

As opposed to all the towns and villages in the land the Germans stole from the Baltic Prussians which had to be given German names because they simply had never had Germans names.

That would be a masterly point, were it not for the tiny detail that many of those towns and villages never had names before their German names because they didn't exist before their German names. Neidenburg would be a good example, clearly too good for certain Poles who thought that the first Polish version of the name, Nibork, said too much about who founded the town. Johannisburg would be a classic example too: Jansbork in Polish from the time it was founded Teutonic knights but that was too Germanic in 1946

And then there are the ones which used to have German names which were similar to their original names and whose original Polish names came from the German name but those names sounded too Germanic after WWII and so new names were made up for them; Raistpilis / Rastenburg / Rastembork springs to mind, as does Sensburg / Zadzbork, brand new names for both those places.
Palivec - | 380
23 Dec 2013 #53
Looks like the end result of the German nationalism in action come back to bite them in the ass.

Poles have to live with the result of Polish nationalism, not Germans. They just can't find the graves of their families anymore.
Interesting how people always defend the action of the Polish Commies in the "recovered territories", who acted just like the Taliban a few decades later.
Ironside 49 | 10,661
23 Dec 2013 #54
Poles have to live with the result of Polish nationalism, not Germans.

Really? Poles started the war? Too much sun in Australia addled your brains.
Marek11111 9 | 816
23 Dec 2013 #55
Poles started the war?

don't you know that by now the Poles master mind the plan to start the war so they can create Polish concentration camps.

As opposed to all the towns and villages in the land Poland stole from Germany which had to be given Polish names because they simply had never had Polish names....

well harry just to let you known of a fact that you keep forgetting that Poland was occupied by soviets until 1989 so Poland could not still anything from anyone in 1945. look at the map of Poland and western borders before partitions and before ww2 then ask yourself why Germans stole Polish land.
Crow 139 | 8,368
23 Dec 2013 #56
Poland must get back Lwow, Wilno and Brest back

why?

if wise, Poland shall create new Commonwealth and arrange things so that all people from Baltic to the Balkan and Black see, speak Polish language.
Marek11111 9 | 816
26 Dec 2013 #57
if wise, Poland shall create new Commonwealth

just one problem is no one in Polish gov. is wise and they do see their own interest before nation interest.
Crow 139 | 8,368
26 Dec 2013 #58
give them time. Its not easy to lead Poland. Look what happened to the patriotic President Lech Kaczyński. He started openly to support Serbians, wanted to reconcile with Russia, wanted Poland open for cooperation with both- West and East. All that is against official NATO and EU politics. See, its very hard to lead Poland and promote Polish interests. It can kill you
jon357 63 | 15,378
26 Dec 2013 #59
That's just paranoid.
Crow 139 | 8,368
26 Dec 2013 #60
i hope so.


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