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PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
25 Nov 2009 #751
Look at Tianenmen Square. Was fighting wholly ineffective? I think not!

It didn't do much to change the regime.
BrutalButcher - | 391
25 Nov 2009 #752
Steveramsfan

You say you are not anti-semite, yet the only state you criticize is the Jewish one.

Go live in Gaza ,if you like "Palestine" so much.

I am sure you voted for Obama.
Steveramsfan 2 | 306
25 Nov 2009 #753
Read more of my posts you ignorant fool.

I AM NOT FROM AMERICA

I'm not Anti-Semite either. I had a holiday in Tel Aviv and thought the locals and the food were very nice.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
25 Nov 2009 #754
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8378871.stm, how disgusting!! Netanyahu trying to present himself as a nice guy when he is only offering back 'occupied' territory.

And this Brutal Butcher clown claims it isn't about land :)
BrutalButcher - | 391
25 Nov 2009 #755
Steveramsfan

YOu won't be able to enjoy another nice holiday in Tel-Aviv if the Palestinians get "their" land back!!

Seanus

You can insult me as much as you want; you're still a liberal goy LOL.
Ogien 6 | 245
26 Nov 2009 #756
BrutalButcher

Oh my God, you are so stupid Brutal...
Seanus 15 | 19,706
26 Nov 2009 #757
A liberal goy, that's hardly an insult. Goy, singling out all non-Jews, that really says sth about you. The Poles let you set up your own communities and granted you a heck of a lot of leeway. You didn't even bother to learn their language, you just tried to set up a base. Poland and Russia housed so many Jews.
BrutalButcher - | 391
26 Nov 2009 #758
Ogien

I am stupid because I don't agree with your inexistent opinions?

Imbecile.

You didn't even bother to learn their language, you just tried to set up a base. Poland and Russia housed so many Jews.

"You you you"...I am not Ashkenazi (like the Jews who lived there) so why do you bring that up?

And what is so wrong about not learning the language of the country you live in? Heck, most Americans can't speak English!!
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
26 Nov 2009 #759
Heck, most Americans can't speak English!!

that old gag. out of curiosity, where are you from dear lad?

it will never cease to amaze me how much the world loves to talk about the Americans' poor English, especially the Brits. why is it that people never mention Irish or Scottish English? You think those dialects are flawless?

The last Irish guy I spoke to said to me, "I am in Poland 4 months now". not kidding.
Ogien 6 | 245
26 Nov 2009 #760
BrutalButcher

Brutal, the only imbecile is you. I come in to say that the OP is stupid because he generalizes a community over what some few posters said. You go on to try to insult me then lol. Special ed faggot.
yehudi 1 | 433
26 Nov 2009 #761
Israel talks non-stop of the Holy Land and being the Chosen Ones

Since when do we talk non-stop about being Chosen Ones? Give me a quote of any Israeli leader using that argument.

They took all the land from the natives, just like the Israelis did with the Palestinians.

We are the natives. And we didn't take all the land. The palestinians have Jordan, most of the west bank and Gaza. Many of them also live as Israeli citizens in Israel proper.

the Palestinians will get something like what the Native Americans got from the US

No. The Native Americans got decimated till the few that were left were shoved into reservations. The palestinians have increased in population, they have 2 and a half countries, and they are part of an ethnic group that rules from Morocco to Iraq. That's a lot better than being a Native American.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
26 Nov 2009 #762
Yehudi, Jordan is for Jordanians. So we can say that the Syrians have the Golan Heights? No, we can't.

The above link will show clearly just a fraction of the picture, yehudi. It was written by none other than the former Secretary-General of the World Jewish Congress. I have many more links but the first part says it all for me.

'·The idea of the Chosen People occupies a central place in Jewish tradition and liturgy and should be viewed as the key defining concept of Judaism. It also remains, however, the central unspoken and explosive psychological, historical, and theological problem at the heart of Jewish-Gentile relations.'

A central place, wow, doesn't that just speak for itself? He's one of the foremost authorities in the world, yehudi. I don't give a jot what political leaders say, they are shallow and as insincere as can be.
yehudi 1 | 433
26 Nov 2009 #763
Your quote is irrelevant to the Israel-Arab conflict. This person is an American Jew writing about the theological implication of "chosenness". As he points out, Christians and Muslims also say they are chosen. He's discussing how this concept affects our relations with other religions and how different streams of judaism relate to the concept. All very interesting but it has nothing to do with the country of Israel. We are a country, just like Poland or New Zealand. When we are attacked we fight back. It's got nothing to do with religious doctrine. Where do you find Israelis "talking non-stop about being the Chosen Ones"? We don't. And the fact that you think we do just proves that you can't get away from your preconceived image of Israelis.
Steveramsfan 2 | 306
26 Nov 2009 #764
YOu won't be able to enjoy another nice holiday in Tel-Aviv if the Palestinians get "their" land back!!

Palestinians think it is "Their" land. I never said it was their land. I did not criticize Israel, I pointed out to you the other side of the story. I have not taken any side except to say the Extremists on both sides are the only problem now.

I just read this article.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8379295.stm

Even this guy does not think Poland is Anti-semitic, I think this was the original topic.

(I wonder if the reporter actually did go to Lublin, Majdenek is in the city, why talk about a camp 30km from Lublin when there is one 5km from the centre??)
yehudi 1 | 433
26 Nov 2009 #765
why talk about a camp 30km from Lublin when there is one 5km from the centre??

Maybe her family was killed in Sobibor. It doesn't say where her Jewish family was originally from.

Even this guy does not think Poland is Anti-semitic,

He says that there is a "broad dislike of Jews" in Poland. I don't see the difference. Do you think he's right?

But the current Polish attitude toward Jews isn't what most people talk about when they say "Polish antisemitism". They are usually thinking about prewar Poland. I get the impression that Polish emigrants in the US are stuck with the attitude of their grandparents about Jews, while in Poland itself things have evolved. (Judging by this forum, there is more anti-Jewish stuff coming from American-Poles than Polish-Poles.) It can also probably be said that Jews tend to think about Poles the way their grandparents thought about them. Our attitudes are frozen in time. We shouldn't confuse what was with what is.
Steveramsfan 2 | 306
26 Nov 2009 #766
Maybe her family was killed in Sobibor. It doesn't say where her Jewish family was originally from.

Fair point
vetala - | 382
26 Nov 2009 #767
Steveramsfan

"Today Jews in Poland continue to suffer abuse."
I really hate phrases like this one. When a Jew is beaten do death in France it's said that 'there are antisemitic incidents in France' when a Jew is insulted by someone in Poland: 'In Poland Jews suffer abuse'

I get the impression that Polish emigrants in the US are stuck with the attitude of their grandparents about Jews, while in Poland itself things have evolved.

Ah, I thought exactly the same thing!
sjam 2 | 541
26 Nov 2009 #768
I just read this article.

To me the tragedy of this story is that this woman feels she will now be hated as a Jew by her own in-laws, and that she feels her children's life might also be adversely affected by the revelation.

How sad for Poland :-((
Ironside 50 | 10,907
26 Nov 2009 #769
How sad for Poland :-((

what now? she feels .....there is question whatever her feelings are justified.
vetala - | 382
26 Nov 2009 #770
How sad for Poland :-((

Sad for Poland, indeed. Now everybody's gonna think that we're a country were every person with the slightest connection to Judaism is publicly stigmatized and probably chased with pitchforks.

And really, the story about hair-pulling ('I was made to feel different!') is so ridiculous.
BrutalButcher - | 391
26 Nov 2009 #771
Why are we talking about Israel and its issues with a gang of dirty smelly Arab muSLIMES?

The main topic is "Is Poland anti-semitic or not"...

I have many Polish contacts and my best friends are Poles ...
sjam 2 | 541
26 Nov 2009 #772
Sad for Poland, indeed. Now everybody's gonna think that we're a country were every person with the slightest connection to Judaism is publicly stigmatized and probably chased with pitchforks.

Why, of course the woman is lying... what has she to worry about?

"My husband is Catholic," Barbara says, "He didn't want the girls to know. His own family didn't like Jews. He didn't want the girls to have problems.

Sad for Poland, indeed, that one woman who lived her life not being a Jew finds out she is a Jew and is now afraid that her in-laws will find out if she tells her children because ....

"And my mother-in-law doesn't like Jews. As for my husband's grandmother, she hates Jews."

ridiculous.

May seem like that to you but obviously not to her and her Catholic husband! Maybe if you are a Polish Jew yourself you might have more positve experiences to share?
Ironside 50 | 10,907
26 Nov 2009 #773
May seem like that to you but obviously not to her and her Catholic husband!

yeah listen to morons with identity problems, and in what way she is Jew? She is Polish, even if of the Jewish origin.
Some moron spread it thick and some are buying it and popularizing, one have to ask for what reason?
vetala - | 382
26 Nov 2009 #774
Maybe if you are a Polish Jew yourself you might have more positve experiences to share?

No, I'm not and yes, I can share positive stories. As for the woman - of course there are antisemites in Poland just as there are racists in America, and if her in-laws are like that then I'm not surprised that she would rather keep them in dark about her origins. It's no different from an African-American marrying a white American whose parents are racists. However, what pisses me off is the way the article is written, it implies that people with Jewish ancestry in Poland keep it secret out of fear of being persecuted by everybody. It's disturbing and untrue. I know lots of people with Jewish ancestry - they BRAG about it, they consider it to be interesting and cool and I have yet to personally meet a person who would think that it's something to be ashamed of.

As for positive stories - how about my one and only encounter with antisemitism? Someone wrote something nasty about Jews on the walls of my block's elevator. Or at least that's what I heard because it was immidiately erased and I only found out about this from the people who rode elevator with me later that day - they were OUTRAGED! They were speaking in high volume, cursing 'banditry' and 'hooliganism' and two days later the whole interior of the elevator was painted over. And please, try to understand - I live in a town in the most backward part of Eastern Poland and dirty phrases in elevators are nothing new. In fact, there were quite a few written there for YEARS (together with a highly inaccurate drawing of male genitalia) and nobody cared. The only thing that shocked and outraged people was antisemitism.

In conclusion - yes, there are antisemites in Poland since there was a person who wrote the antisemitic phrase on the inside of my elevator. But there were also at least four people who condemned it. They weren't even indifferent - they were anti-antisemites!

So - is Poland an antisemitic country, where 'Jews suffer abuse'? Or is it a normal country, where antisemitic incidents happen from time to time?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
27 Nov 2009 #775
Yehudi, what boulderdash! Ben Gurion mentioned it as did a string of others. Are you really telling me that you know better than the former SG of the WJC?

So tell me straight please, sir, other than the phony 1948 UN declaration of Israeli statehood, upon what other premise do you base your right to Israel? Please show me clearly your RIGHT to that territory as opposed to it being Palestinian? I told you that territories absorbed through war are illegal under international law.

My preconceived notion of Israelis is people that fight for their very survival and are willing to go an extra step or 2 towards peace (not the govt). Most can live harmoniously with Palestinians but fear radical elements.

I got an insight into the kibbutz system as I did a class on it tonight. The Poles weren't so impressed but one defended it as he had been there. Poles tend to like one class of Jew, Polish Jews ;) ;)
cheehaw 2 | 263
27 Nov 2009 #776
"My husband is Catholic," Barbara says, "He didn't want the girls to know. His own family didn't like Jews. He didn't want the girls to have problems.

Sad for Poland, indeed, that one woman who lived her life not being a Jew finds out she is a Jew and is now afraid that her in-laws will find out if she tells her children because ....

You failed to mention that a lot of catholics hate baptists too.

fair is fair.

need I mention kick a jew day:

naplesnews.com/news/2009/nov/23/north-naples-middle-suspended-kick-a-jew-day-email/

small planet or something else is happening here? Naples Florida has one of the highest per capita incomes of anywhere in the USA. just a tidbit of stats for what it's worth..

I know lots of people with Jewish ancestry - they BRAG about it, they consider it to be interesting and cool

same here...
BrutalButcher - | 391
27 Nov 2009 #777
cheehaw

I would say that it's cool to be part of a culture that has lasted for 4000 years and has survived without fighting big wars or committing genocide on other folks.

It's also cool to be part of a group of people who have won 180 nobel prizes.
sjam 2 | 541
27 Nov 2009 #778
However, what pisses me off is the way the article is written, it implies that people with Jewish ancestry in Poland keep it secret out of fear of being persecuted by everybody.

However you would prefer it not to be, this does seems to be a recurring story.

But if what you are saying is that the situation is Jews in Poland do not fear persecution these days? Then have any serious studies been done on this in Poland to support your claim?

You failed to mention that a lot of catholics hate baptists too.

Do Baptists in Poland feel the same fear of persecution in Poland as this particular, now Jewish, woman and her Catholic husband seemingly do? I think not unless you have evidence?

Of course she is still Polish and why would she not be?

Maybe she also has experience of Poles using the word 'Jew' in a derogative sense as happens all the time in the microcosm of Polish attitudes on this Polishforum. From reading many of the posts on PF one oftens see this attempted put-down by calling a dissenting poster a 'Jew' as if this is some ingrained Polish attitude of negativity in being a 'Jew'.
1jola 14 | 1,879
27 Nov 2009 #779
Yeah, this "persecuted" woman would be very popular with the in-laws at Christmas telling them they got it all wrong.
vetala - | 382
27 Nov 2009 #780
Then have any serious studies been done on this in Poland to support your claim?

I've seen Jews walking around in yarmulkas but I never noticed anyone spitting on them. There are Jewish movie directors, actors, politicians, writers and journalists in Poland. They don't hide it, they openly talk about it and they're still celebrities. There are Jewish studies, festivals of Jewish culture, Jewish kindergartens, Jewish newspapers and radio stations. There is no mob with pitchforks standing outside them.

Every person whose appearance, lifestyle and beliefs differ slightly from those of the majority fear persecution. It doesn't matter if you're a Jew, Black, Baptist, Jehova Witness or a boy with long hair - there will be people who will hold it against you. Hell, I'm an atheist and I've been 'persecuted' lots of times because of this. There are times when I pretend to be just a non-practicing catholic only because I'm too tired to get into arguments. But I won't cry and say that I am 'made to feel different and suffer abuse in Poland'.

As for using the word 'Jew' in a derogative sense - did you check the profiles of people who do this sort of thing? What makes you think that they're Polish?

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