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Polish-German alliance.


Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
21 Mar 2009 #331
Germany will become tropical probably soon anyway...the Ostsee it is!

There's a bunch of senile and/or confused people who fantazise about lost property in Poznań or Śląsk, but that's gonna be solved biologically in at least one generation.

But I wouldn't be so sure about that (and what does a wessi banker knows about such things anyhow...)

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/1334910/Polish-welcome-back-Germans-to-restore-their-stately-homes.html

There are more of them already...
Elbprinz - | 12
21 Mar 2009 #332
But I wouldn't be so sure about that

So what? Very few solvent people invest their money in run-down mansions in order to feel great playing noblemen. Being pseudo-junker is their marginal utility, the enterprise is probably financed through a local Polish bank and the hole thing benefits the local artisanry. If they must....

(and what does a wessi banker knows about such things anyhow)

I have a degree in political science.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
21 Mar 2009 #333
So what?

You have no idea at all or you wouldn't talk such nonsense.
Back to stealing a poor Oma her pension for you...

I have a degree in political science.

A common sense and a brain would be of more use for you!

Eastern Germany and what is now western Poland was for centuries a heavily mixed territory...as Poles now come over to live here Germans go over to live there, often to their families roots, bringing money with them, often opening chances and offering employments...there is nothing wrong with that but getting back to the natural state as it once was.

"...pseudo junker..."

"...noblemen..."

Do you have an idea how commie and ridiculous that sounds?

PS: Polen is one of the most favourite emmigrant countries for Germans! 4th place overall...topping even the UK!
Now guess how many of those many thousands did chose Poland for heritage reasons?
It couldn't be about the higher living standards or the great employment market possibilities, now can't it!
"very few dying out pseudo junkers" my ass!

auswanderer-blog.de/auswanderer-ziele-2007
z_darius 14 | 3,965
21 Mar 2009 #334
So what? Very few solvent people invest their money in run-down mansions in order to feel great playing noblemen. Being pseudo-junker is their marginal utility, the enterprise is probably financed through a local Polish bank and the hole thing benefits the local artisanry.

That's what might seem reasonable and yet reality was different. I lived most of my Polish life in Western Poland. Cities were maintained and some thrived, as much as the communist Poland's coffers allowed. Rural areas were different.

Most Poles who moved to Western Poland were forced to do so. Big numbers were Poles and Ukrainians expelled from Western Ukraine. They had been through a lot of crap in the 30 years prior and so their trust and hope for stable future was simply not there.

"Germans will come back and take this away, so why bother taking good care of all this" was the gist of people's approach. Perfectly good farms, buidlings and infrastructure went down and deteriorated, some beyond recognition.

In 1970's when relations between Poland and Bundesrepublik Deutschland allowed West Germans to visit Poland you could see a lot of Germans visiting their hometowns, villages and cities. Some actually did invest in what wasn't theirs anymore. Whether they did so hoping to come back one day or not is another story, but these were not isolated cases.

If Germans did invest in run down properties in 1970's when few even hoped for communism to fall in the next 50 to 100 years then I would be surprised if the scale of German investment in private properties in Poland did not increase. It may be silly, sentimental or economically suicidal but never underestimate the power of sentiment.
Elbprinz - | 12
21 Mar 2009 #335
Yeah, as if you were displaying much common sense here! All you produce is cliché ridden crap. And worst of all: You enjoy being considered a kind of German authority here. That is so sick!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
21 Mar 2009 #336
Somehow I come to think "Elbprinz" is our "Rafal"....give up, I found you out...you write to similiar!

All you produce is cliché ridden crap.

Nope...I even give you links...as usual!
And as usual YOU are the one producing just clichès, Rafal!

No real German would call them "pseudo junker" or "noblemen" and at the same
time call himself "Elbprinz"! :):):)
And working in a bank, applauding tax fraud...you lived in Hamburg for some years, didn't you? ROFL

"Elbprinz"="Rafal"

*waits for Rafal running back to his other account to protest*
z_darius 14 | 3,965
21 Mar 2009 #337
And worst of all: You enjoy being considered a kind of German authority here.

And where did I claim I was German?
Can you quote me?
Elbprinz - | 12
21 Mar 2009 #338
No real German would call them "pseudo junker" or "noblemen" and at the same
time call himself "Elbprinz"! :):):)

Do you even reflect the words you write? Probably not. "No real German"? What's that supposed to mean? No real real East German or what? Are you the one to determine that? I don't think so! You apparently didn't understand the point, that's the problem. I was referring to an investor's individual gain, in other words their marginal utility (Grenznutzen) which could very well be fueled by their desire to tie in with their ancestors' past as "ostelbische Junker". However, for the contractor that's irrelevant and the investment may increase the surplus of the community.

Can you quote me?

Sorry, I meant the other guy and forgot to quote him correctly.

It may be silly, sentimental or economically suicidal but never underestimate the power of sentiment.

I see your point, but what would you suggest? It's a free market! Would you rather regulate it?
Rafal_1981
21 Mar 2009 #339
Somehow I come to think "Elbprinz" is our "Rafal"....give up, I found you out...you write to similiar!

I don't need to hide behind multiple accounts. But it's surely optimistic that people like

Elbprinz

share my opinions.
(Brathwurst Boy: don't you think this is a little pathetic to throw this accusation? I had a better opinion of you)

I recently read a very interesting article about a 'mistake' done by DPA Deutsche Presse Agentur (Germany National news News agency). DPA wrote about Polish death camps instead of German death camps in occupied Poland. After the intervention of Polish Embassy they change the phrase 'Polish Death Camps' to 'Nazi [not German] Death Camps':

In Polish: rp.pl/artykul/2,279516_Niemcy_pisza_o__polskim_obozie_.html
In Polish: blog.rp.pl/haszczynski/2009/03/20/niemiecka-agencja-i-"polski-o boz"/

It is not a first 'accident', see:
In English: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp (controversy)
Filios1 8 | 1,336
21 Mar 2009 #340
Bratwurst Boy

Guten morgen, mein Herr!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
21 Mar 2009 #341
"No real German"? What's that supposed to mean?

As a German you would know. But as a nationalistic, germanophobic Pole you are much better in tune with how some Poles call some Germans...there your "pseudo-junkers" etc. fits very well!

You apparently didn't understand the point, that's the problem.

Oh but I understood to well...you were speaking of "dying out" people, not some banking problem..again only rafalistic clichès and empty phrases which I countered with info and statistics. And even Darius' experiences speak another language...

Manno Rafal, you are so recognizable and predictable it get's boring!

Guten morgen, mein Herr!

Hello Filios! *waves*

(Brathwurst Boy: don't you think this is a little pathetic to throw this accusation? I had a better opinion of you)

My opinon of you didn't change at all...
What took you so long?

Oh...and you Schizo can stop sending me desperate PM's too...
Rafal_1981
21 Mar 2009 #342
Dude, I'm sorry to say that but you have a paranoia..?
Hmm, and I never send you any private message...
What's wrong with you?

Again:
I recently read a very interesting article about a 'mistake' done by DPA Deutsche Presse Agentur (Germany National news News agency). DPA wrote about Polish death camps instead of German death camps in occupied Poland. After the intervention of Polish Embassy they change the phrase 'Polish Death Camps' to 'Nazi [not German] Death Camps':

In Polish: rp.pl/artykul/2,279516_Niemcy_pisza_o__polskim_obozie_.html
In Polish: blog.rp.pl/haszczynski/2009/03/20/niemiecka-agencja-i-"polski-oboz"/

It is not a first 'accident', see:
In English: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp (controversy)

BTW: Bratwurst Boy: So you are an Ossie after all?!
Filios1 8 | 1,336
21 Mar 2009 #343
Oh...and you Schizo can stop sending me desperate PM's too

What did he send you? A greeting card?
Elbprinz - | 12
21 Mar 2009 #344
As a German you would know.

Right. Well, I actually don't, because being brought up in a liberal and multi-cultural Western city obviously doesn't correspond to the experiences and values of the "real Germans" on your side of the Elbe. Well, good for you to have such secret knowledge the likes of me haven't been let in on. Problem is that no one else understands your esoteric.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
21 Mar 2009 #345
Again:

Tell me Rafal/Elbi, do you think your postings get any better if you repeat them often enough???
Do you fear to get overlooked? That you need reinforcements? Man...you are really a Schizo...

What did he send you? A greeting card?

So desperate....It hurts...really...
Elbprinz - | 12
21 Mar 2009 #346
Man...you are really a Schizo...

LOL....my god, you're just pathetic. Jammerossi xD
Rafal_1981
21 Mar 2009 #347
So desperate....It hurts...really...

Dude, listen to you, you are completely decomposed!
Just rest a little (seriously)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
21 Mar 2009 #348
You better change your lingo Rafal/Elbi when you want to go as a German!

Just rest a little (seriously)

Why? You are so funny right now...don't want to miss it!
You trying to talk AS YOU THINK a lefty Wessi might think and talk is just priceless!
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
21 Mar 2009 #349
So would such an alliance be a bad or a good thing, opinions?

It would have been a good alliance and think of what history would have been if it had occured...One problem was the fact that Poland had only been a 'restored' nation for a little over a decade...Poland had very weak leadership when compared to Germany...And yes, there was an issue of Polish nationalism...Poland was afraid of German expansion eastward...Possibly if Pilsudski had still been alive it would have been possible...Pilsudski and Hitler had a working relationship...Both were staunchly opposed to Bolshevism...Both Pilsudski and Hitler were soldiers: they shared a certain mentality...Pilsudski was not the politician Hitler was, however...And certainly the leaders in Poland who followed Pilsudski were weak and undecided...Perhaps the Danzig corridor issue could have been resolved to some degree if Pilsudski was still around...A German-Polish alliance certainly would have been a bulwark against Soviet aggression...But those who subscribe to the "Illuminati' or 'Protocols' view on European history might say that certain subversive and financial forces in the West were actually hoping for a major war, with the end result being a destruction, or 'neutralizing' of a strong Germany, and the spread of Communism. from the Soviet Union.
z_darius 14 | 3,965
21 Mar 2009 #350
I see your point, but what would you suggest? It's a free market! Would you rather regulate it?

I was only stating facts. My sentiment tells me Germans should stay out, by my brain tells me they should be allowed it. There has been enough bullcrap between the two nations.

Can't we love each other? (doggy style)
Elbprinz - | 12
21 Mar 2009 #351
I was only stating facts. My sentiment tells me Germans should stay out, by my brain tells me they should be allowed it. There has been enough bullcrap between the two nations.

Yes, you were. But it's not too bad, though. Actually, the trend goes the other way round ;)

polishpress.wordpress.com/2008/02/16/poles-find-their-lebensraum-in-the-west-drang-nach-abandoned-east-germany-is-the-new-trend/
Crow 155 | 9,025
28 May 2009 #352
Polish-German alliance

God forbid!

message of future Germany
Crow 155 | 9,025
29 May 2009 #354
How should do it when German magnates always were close with Islamic world
PlasticPole 7 | 2,648
29 May 2009 #355
Make it harder to get into your countries or else you are gonna wake up one morning to that star and moon silhouette thingy and the blairing voice of mufti mullah calling you to prayer and if you don't go,they will come to your house and hit you.

That's why we keep them out!
freebird 3 | 532
29 May 2009 #356
Poland which nationalism was as worse as the german

if not worse
Crow 155 | 9,025
30 Dec 2009 #357
And some more german eye candy for the boys:

German you said?

its glad to me to say that germanization didn`t completely ruin beauty of Slavic genetics that was assimilated
chaza 50 | 253
31 Dec 2009 #358
the war with poland was unavoidable, hitler and stalin made a pact to share poland, they both took the view that the poles were no more than vermine and had no right to survival, the boltic corridor was their goal, and that is histrical fact. no matter what deal the poles could have made, hitler was going to exterminate you anyway. the change came when hitler invaded russia. he wanted poland and he was going to get it no matter what. the polish army was no match for the wiermach. even when britain went to war with hitler over the poles, we could have done more than we did to help. most of the extermination camps were in poland. hitler took the same vermanistic view of hungary, romania. they were to him just vermin, and his idiolgy focused on that point.

the thing is it happened, lets not allow it to happen again. germany can not be allowed to be in that position again. even the german kids learn about all this at school now, s0o they are not being allowed to forget. and while we are on the subject, lets not forget the vatican, it was they who made it possible for the ecaping nazis to flee to south america via the rat line. so even the good old pope of the time was complicit and have to bear some of the responsibility, after all they were well paid by the nazis, also fact.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
31 Dec 2009 #359
germany can not be allowed to be in that position again.

What position???

And who do you think is going to do this "allowing" or "not allowing"? Britain??? ;)
Trevek 26 | 1,700
31 Dec 2009 #360
A British friend of mine told me about his devout catholic grandmother watching a film report of the pope being jumped on by the crazed female, "Oh, what a shame... I know he's german, but he's still a human being!"

Germans and Russians want Poland's soul and land.

Nah, germans just want their cars back!


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