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NomadatNet 1 | 457
1 Feb 2011 #91
"I" didn't invite them nor did "I" know what problems they would bring with them.

But now we are trying to do better....Merkel is inviting especially european work force for the coming labor shortage due the german economy boom. Just to avoid to get to many of new problems inside...

"You" didn't invite them? So, you are not accepting what mistakes your fathers done. It is a progress. But, inviting those labor works is not really a mistake. It was necessary at that time. Anyway, I know, Germans have already progressed more than other Europeans.

Merkel is strong. Perhaps, it is due to her experiences in Socialist Germany. She can be a dominator for Turks there too, needed. Most of Turks there are getting jobless salaries as far as I know. If I were her, I'd cut their such salaries, really. Btw, any corner left in Germany where I can open a donner shop? Nope, I am not planning to go to Germany now. Waiting for Merkel to cancel the visas for ones who are socialists like me.
Trevek 26 | 1,700
1 Feb 2011 #92
Most kids actually don't like clowns I've read!

And yet when they become adults they vote clowns into power!

But you would propose the idea of learning Esperanto???

Only as a saner alternative to learning Klingon (you don't have to wear a plastic mask to speak esperanto).
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,740
1 Feb 2011 #93
..a "donner shop"?

:)

Only as a saner alternative to learning Klingon (you don't have to wear a plastic mask to speak esperanto).

Ooooh Klingon rocks!

That would be an alternative... :)
Daisy 3 | 1,224
1 Feb 2011 #94
I learn Greek at 3 and German at 5...now I'm 25, I've lived in Germany all my life, what am I?

A dog can be born in a stable, but that doesn't make him a horse..(a wonderful Duke of Wellington quote)
Trevek 26 | 1,700
1 Feb 2011 #95
Ooooh Klingon rocks!

That would be an alternative... :)

as i mentioned, allegedly the second biggest constructed language after esperanto.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
1 Feb 2011 #96
..a "donner shop"?

:)

It is another Esperanto word. Mix of Turkish and German. (Btw, appreciated your taking the patent of it as a German product. Really.)
mafketis 36 | 10,696
1 Feb 2011 #97
I'd say that you're picking up racist attitudes rather well. Or have you always been a racist?

You're the racist alway attributing the worst possible motives to anyone and everyone here just because they're of a different ethnicity than you. Doesn't get much more racist than that. You racist.

You're also a sexist cause you immediately assumed "a Pole" was a man.

I think it's great that Ton Van Anh was granted Polish citizenship for several reasons, not least because she faced a very real threat of persecution had she been returned to Vietnam. The fact that she's probably spent more than half her life in Poland is also a factor of course.

To keep this out of the junk pile: The world esperanto congress next year 2012 will be held in Hanoi. Last year was in Cuba (where a bunch of US esperanto users were prevented from going despite earlier hints they would be allowed to).
convex 20 | 3,930
1 Feb 2011 #98
A dog can be born in a stable, but that doesn't make him a horse..(a wonderful Duke of Wellington quote)

but if a quarterhorse is raised in a racing stable and can keep up and outrun a thoroughbred in the long haul, isn't it still a racing horse?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,740
1 Feb 2011 #99
as i mentioned, allegedly the second biggest constructed language after esperanto.

Jaaaaaa....but so much cooooler!

(Btw, appreciated your taking the patent of it as a German product. Really.)

Well..it's "made in Germany" actually! :)

but if a quarterhorse is raised in a racing stable and can keep up and outrun a thoroughbred in the long haul, isn't it still a racing horse?

For what stable team is it cheering?
Trevek 26 | 1,700
1 Feb 2011 #100
..a "donner shop"?

Is this when you eat too much kebab and then make a noise like donner?

Jaaaaaa....but so much cooooler!

Admit it, it's the militaristic culture and plans for universal domination which attract you to it ;-)
convex 20 | 3,930
1 Feb 2011 #101
For what stable team is it cheering?

Whoever it wants to, it has no tribe.

Enjoy that, and lets get back on topic.
mafketis 36 | 10,696
1 Feb 2011 #102
A dog can be born in a stable, but that doesn't make him a horse..(a wonderful Duke of Wellington quote)

Very true of animals. Less so of people. Granted many have a hard time telling the difference.

When it comes to identity I tend to rank a person's cultural and linguistic affinity over their genetic make up. Kowal McKowalski who was born to first generation Polish immigrants but spent his whole life in the US and only speaks American is less Polish to me than Nguyen Nguyen McNguyen who's lived in Poland for over 15 years and speaks more Polish than Vietnamese.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,740
1 Feb 2011 #103
When it comes to identity I tend to rank a person's cultural and linguistic affinity over their genetic make up.

Who can have a cultural and linguistic affinity to Esperanto???

That's the crux of this discussion...and very much on topic btw.
mafketis 36 | 10,696
1 Feb 2011 #104
Who can have a cultural and linguistic affinity to Esperanto???

Different people for different reasons.

It's an open question as to how much Esperanto speakers have a common culture. It's also an open question as to how much a culture is needed for what is intended as a bridge language.

German and French speakers using Esperanto to communicate is no more ridiculous than them using English (considering how hostile British culture was to both the French and German speaking parts of Europe).
convex 20 | 3,930
1 Feb 2011 #105
Who can have a cultural and linguistic affinity to Esperanto???

That's the crux of this discussion...and very much on topic btw.

How weak of character do you have to be to get your cultural affinity through the language that you speak as opposed to the connections with people that you make? Comeon now seriously? Fo reals? We're talking about later through the years. Could I fit in Germany? Of course. In the US, yea, no problem. Hell, in Iran, yea, it's been proven. Can I understand the culture, yup....so what's the big question about language?
NomadatNet 1 | 457
1 Feb 2011 #106
Who can have a cultural and linguistic affinity to Esperanto???

Those who aims to make integration. But, Esperanto is an old trial, its time past. Europe can generate a language like Europanto?
Trevek 26 | 1,700
1 Feb 2011 #107
(considering how hostile British culture was to both the French and German speaking parts of Europe).

we weren't hostile... we just wanted to educate them... and it was them who tried to introduce laws against using English words.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,740
1 Feb 2011 #108
Those who aims to make integration.

Integration into Esperantia????
How are people integrating who prefer Esperanto to the country's native language????

How weak of character do you have to be to get your cultural affinity through the language that you speak

Well..are you calling most people "weak of character"???

I started to learn japanese because I have a soft spot for them...I would never call myself Japanese though!

You have a problem that you don't know where you want to belong to...but most people don't have that problem.
Trevek 26 | 1,700
1 Feb 2011 #109
How are people integrating who prefer Esperanto to the country's native language????

The same way as those who go to study at English language schools and colleges in their own country, perhaps?
NomadatNet 1 | 457
1 Feb 2011 #110
we weren't hostile... we just wanted to educate them... and it was them who tried to introduce laws against using English words.

So, they are more educated than Brits now, your students passed you already years ago.

Ps: are you Brits still here? Don't you have works to be done at the Birmingham? Or, Buckingham or whereever the palace is.

Integration into Esperantia????

How are people integrating who prefer Esperanto to the countries native language????

Esperantia, Europentia or whatever. Integration of Europe couldn't work well, perhaps, due to missing a unique language where whole Europe can speak?
Trevek 26 | 1,700
1 Feb 2011 #111
So, they are more educated than Brits now, your students passed you already years ago.

Indeed, my job now is to teach them English so they can go abroad and make more money than me...

Ps: are you Brits still here? Don't you have works to be done at the Birmingham? Or, Buckingham or whereever the palace is.

yeah, and we'll get the Polish workers to do it.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,740
1 Feb 2011 #112
The same way as those who go to study at English language schools and colleges in their own country, perhaps?

What?

I thought more about the Soros family...who did go to great lengths to detach their newborn from it's natural environment...building a parallel world..

Integration of Europe couldn't work well, perhaps, due to missing a unique language where whole Europe can speak?

Take English...or German!
Trevek 26 | 1,700
1 Feb 2011 #113
building a parallel world..

I think at a certain level, the intellectual and financial elite are indeed another, parallel world.

A friend of mine once interviewed Austrian women who had married British soldiers and moved abroad. She asked a very rich lady if she'd ever missed home. She replied, "My dear, at a certain level of society, there is no difference!"

Just think, at one time the monarchies all spoke French (even in Russia).

Take English...or German!

Just for you, BB
NomadatNet 1 | 457
1 Feb 2011 #114
Take English...or German!

Frenches can huff then. Crow can shoot for not chosing Slav.
I'll take Polish. They are not forcing me to learn other than Kochamcie.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,740
1 Feb 2011 #115
There had always been Lingua Francas...natural grown, natural gone...why does it have to be something artificial?
Daisy 3 | 1,224
1 Feb 2011 #116
but if a quarterhorse is raised in a racing stable and can keep up and outrun a thoroughbred in the long haul, isn't it still a racing horse?

but can it bark?
Trevek 26 | 1,700
1 Feb 2011 #117
Oh yeah...I love that joke!!!

I once showed it to a german girl and an Irish girl. The irish girl kept complaining that they'd messed up the spelling and she couldn't read it... the german girl was in hysterics.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,290
1 Feb 2011 #118
You probably consider those bigger Jewish families like Rockefellers, etc are robbers, cheats, thieves, etc

The Rockefellers are not Jewish.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
1 Feb 2011 #119
Joke or whatever. Result is

After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen world!

a new language like Esperanto which was not different than that.

The Rockefellers are not Jewish.

Replace Rothschilds then in my sentence above (however, I keep reservation for Rockefellers being Jews too. Why should them a rich family have moved to USA? I guess, they were a fake conversion to Christianity. George S. too did a similar thing to escape.)
Trevek 26 | 1,700
1 Feb 2011 #120
a new language like Esperanto which was not different than that.

Not sure if you understand, it is meant to sound like English spoken with a german accent.


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