81st Anniversary of Warsaw Uprising

The Holocaust had nothing to do with the historic hate of Jews by the catholic church in Germany and elsewhere. The Nazis blamed Jewish bankers for the loss of WW1, thus creating an "enemy from within" (hint, hint...) to point the finger at. And don't forget that the first victims of the system were social democrats, communists and disabled people who were all sent to the concentration camps long before the Jews.

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....a number of whom, namely Social Democrats, were Jews, don't forget!
Ck. out Plessner's "Nationhood Deferred: On the political gullibility of the bourgeoise intellect" to straighten you regarding German history and the rise of modern European anti-Semitism, external

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The ethnic cleansing didn't start with the HAMAS attack. Israel has been expelling Palestinians from Palestine since its founding, now its " genociding" them in Gaza and continuing the rape and murder in the West Bank.

In no way can Israel's genocide be described as retaliation its official Israeli policy. Certainly spout as much propaganda as you like in support of the far right rogue state with a racist terrorist government but it won't change the facts.

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They weren't arrested and sent to the concentration camps because of their faith but because of their political affiliation.

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What are the population figures for "Palestinians" ten years ago vs today?

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@mafketis
Back to making your own definitions, the world doesn't work that way.

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Unlike in Stalin's Soviet Union, Hitler couldn't merely be appeased by some bootlicking Jew from the local Judenrat currying favor with local Nazis, clicking their heels to show they were "good Germans"!
It was ideologically racial, Nazi extermination ist anti-Semitism.

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UN: genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group

Killing members of the group (both Israelis and Palestinians do that)

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (both sides try to do that)

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (Israel does some of that, Palestinians would if they could)

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group (how is either group doing that?)

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. (how is either group doing that?)

How is the aim "to destroy" compatible with population growth?

So.... How many Palestinians ten years ago and how many now?

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That's what Israel is doing to the Palestinians population in Gaza. It's perfectly obvious from government statements that that is their intent. Your spurious qualification serves only to justify your refusal to acknowledge what is happening.

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What is Israel doing that the Palestinians wouldn't do to Israel if they could?

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But you don't, you are antisemite just because it is fashionable, you filthy hypoctite

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@mafketis
Attributing negative attributes from the few to the many is generally frowned upon.
Germans and their allies didn't manage to murder all Jews but it is still universally known as a genocide. What Jewish resistance fighters would have done to Germans is never asked.

Israel is destroying life and the means to support life in Gaza and we know what that is called.


You are a moron, not because it's fashionable but for you it's clearly unavoidable.

Post my supposed antisemitic statements.

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Of course it was. Now explain the actions of the U.S. and the U.K. regarding the ships "St. Louis" and "Exodus1947".


A good example is Salomon Morel, commander of the Zgoda labour camp and the Jaworzno concentration camp right after the war. Poles don't like to be reminded.

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External,
You don't understand the times on which it occured, as neither of us were there.
Look, FDR didn't want to get assassinated and thought he might as an attempt was already made on his life several years prior!
He had a country to run, but was poorly advised.

Not comparable with Hitler, sorry.

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@External

I don't feel any affinity towards Salomon Morel - the Jaworzno camp was also a prison for Polish underground fighters (Armia Krajowa and so on) - Salomon Morel later immigrated to Israel AFAIK

Edit: was wrong about Morel emigrating to Israel

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Zgoda, too, as far as I know. Salomon Morel was a sadistic animal who was protected by Israel after he fled Poland.


Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Dresden and Hamburg, the Korean and Vietnam wars, the attack on Iraq - millions of civilians killed in the name of freedom and democracy.

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But NOT methodical, state-sanctioned, sadistically pre-planned assembly line mass murder, oh no, that ya can't pin on us!

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@Lyzko9bda5804d1f
If by us you mean Jewish people your words are true. If you mean Israel your words are not true.

Israel is methodically and sadistically murdering Palestinians in a pre planned way. The fact that this genocide doesn't look the same as that perpetrated on European Jewery doesn't diminish the culpability. There is no hierarchy in suffering.

Conflating Israel and Jewish people is antisemitism 101.

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Killing a few million civilians through methodical, state sanctioned bombing with nukes, fire bombs and Agent Orange is okay then?


Couldn't have said it better!

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We, the few normal participants in the discussion of everyday events have privilege of watching contortionist twisting himself in pretzel in the attempt to differentiate, between the Israel and Jew, in their hearts it is one the same, but antisemite like Barney is attracted
to antisemitism like fly to sh*t


Anyone, equating what is happening in Gaza and the holocaust is a total moron and filthy antisemite, by definition.

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An American equivalent of Nazi Germany's Nueremberg Laws and ensuing Final Solution to either the African or Native American dilemma never existed in these United States, save in the perfervid, yea perverted psyche of crackpots!

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Well, Palestinians usually talk about "Jews" and not Israelis...



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@mafketis
True. I never said they were perfect.

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And I have never posted a propaganda video.

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Not all Jews are Israelis and not all Israelis are Jews!

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You seem to believe that the life of a Jewish person is worth more than the life of a Pole, German, Chinese, Russian, Native American, Vietnamese or Cambodian. Tell me it ain't so.

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ALL life is of intrinsic value, you know that!
By the way, why separate Poles from Jews??
Both are of the same Caucasian race.

The point I was making is that the basis of the Holocaust was by far the most pernicious of killings, as both it's means and it's ultimate end goal was systematic BIOLOGICAL genocide of an entire single people, intrinsically regardless of who they were in life

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Any chance of telling that to the Israeli government and people.


So you do think there is a hierarchy of victim hood. Genocides don't look the same but I imagine they feel the same...being hunted is being hunted. Laws created to outlaw what happened in Europe are framed to describe what happened. The Nazis failed in their eradication program but it was still genocide.

The destruction of Warsaw and the people was a war crime but not genocide.

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You are the one talking about a "genocide of an entire single people". So are Jews a people or just members of a faith? You'll need to make your mind up.


I would argue that the conscious decision to drop a nuke on a city and kill countless civilians in the process is equally evil. The end result was the same: death and cruelty on an unimaginable scale.

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They are just members of a faith, like Muslims,they are not a race.

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