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How have Albanians wronged Poles in the past?


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20 Jun 2012  #1

Hello Polish friends. I am from Albania. I have a small special connection to Poles because like most of you, i am also Roman catholic (ancestors hid in the mountains and didn't convert to Islam). I have met many Poles in America, because their are many here. They are generally good people, from what i have seen.

However i register here today because i wonder why Albanians receive so much hate from Polish people on the internet. They do not act this way in real life, even the traditional poles. We do not have many relations at all. Our common relations are probably only Warsaw Pact and NATO. So i ask, how have Albanians wronged Poles in the past? I feel that this hate is unwarranted.

Sincerely,

Dhimitri

pawian Activity: 127 / 6,582
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20 Jun 2012  #2

Hmm, hate from Polish people? Impossible.
rybnik Activity: 19 / 1,474
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21 Jun 2012  #3

I feel that this hate is unwarranted.

I feel this hate is in your head. I've never heard of this animosity.
jon357 Activity: 53 / 10,847
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21 Jun 2012  #4

Most people here don't even know any Albanians, so any strong opinion is either non-existent or just prejudice.
thebear45 Activity: 1 / 68
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21 Jun 2012  #5

hello brother Albanian. you are very correct about poles being prejudiced again us man. i came on ths forum in past, and was amazed how many racist these are here.
NorthMancPolak Activity: 4 / 652
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21 Jun 2012  #6

Virtually all the anti-Albanian sentiment on here comes from Serbs and Greeks. Are you sure you're not just here to cause trouble?
Harry Activity: 65 / 13,518
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21 Jun 2012  #7

Virtually all the anti-Albanian sentiment on here comes from Serbs and Greeks.

Completely agree.

Are you sure you're not just here to cause trouble?

Could be. Could well be.
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22 Jun 2012  #8

No i am not here to cause trouble
NorthMancPolak Activity: 4 / 652
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22 Jun 2012  #9

Really? You've only been here a few days, and your only contribution has been to accuse Poles of being anti-Albanian.

On what basis?

If you mean

Albanians receive so much hate from Polish people on the internet.

, then provide the evidence - there is very little here. This isn't "the internet", anyway; it's a small website which forms part of the internet.

If you had bothered to use the search function before starting this thread, using such search terms like "Albania, Albanians, Albania, Albos, Shiftars" you would have found something in common - a now-banned Serb and his apologist friends, and a Greek kebab maker - who post the vast majority of anti-Albanian comments on here.

As there is very little evidence of Polish anti-Albanian sentiment on here, we have to question your agenda. The average Pole wouldn't know an Albanian if he saw one.
bledi_nowysacz Activity: 2 / 53
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8 Feb 2013  #10

provide the evidence - there is very little here. This isn't "the internet", anyway; it's a small website which forms part of the internet.

I'm albanian and I totally agree with you NMP. I've been living for more than 2 years now in PL, and nobody has ever bothered me because of my nationality. The only thing which made my curious was when I was getting questions like: How many wives do albanian men have? In which continent is Albania(Asia or Europe) ? But this from a very few people who really had absolutely no idea about geography or history. The rest are just curious how is to live in Albania,my wife's friends keep looking at the pictures from the holidays. So in general in Poland and I think in the countries around there is not so much information about Albania ( after all is just a small country in southern Europe so nothing to be surprised) but nothing connected with Anti-Albania or whatever.

In my opinion Dhimitri is very much mistaken for thinking that poles have something against us. Of course there might be people who doesn't like Albania or albanians but NEVER more than just very small groups of guys who has some connection with our lovely neighbours in south :P

Have a nice one gentlemen.
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23 Jun 2013  #11

I have never heard of any wrongdoings between Albanians and Poles. I believe the only problem might the infamous Albanian mafia that gives a bad name to the nation in general. Any awkward reaction you might get is from fear of the unknown. Let's take the film "Taken" for example. It's been quite popular and Albanians are depicted as typical villains. These images might be the only thing that many people will ever remember regarding the nation. Albania might also be confused with Armenia because of a similar name.

I personally love all the Balkan states. The Albanian language is an Indo-European isolate. It's a very interesting language with unique features, and I'm planning to learn more about it and Albania in general.
citizen67 Activity: 6 / 191
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11 Sep 2013  #12

Everybody has wronged the Poles according to them, they love a perpetual victim status.
Wulkan Activity: - / 3,168
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11 Sep 2013  #13

whatever

I feel that this hate is unwarranted.

Too bad not all Albanians hid in the mountains and didn't convert to islam.
citizen67 Activity: 6 / 191
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11 Sep 2013  #14

Albanians sold Poland out in the Second World War. Swine! they could hav easily saved Poland!
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20 Sep 2013  #15

its donkey. Donkey admitted everything

I believe the only problem might the infamous Albanian mafia that gives a bad name to the nation in general.

yes, that, too. Albanian mafia is problem.

Maybe Poles heard that Hitler`s favorite writer Karl May dedicated book to Albanians "Durch Das Land Der Skipetaren" (Land of Shiftars)
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4 Aug 2014  #16

That's impossible, because Albania doesn't exist:

Do you know any Albanians?
Do you know someone who knows some Albanians?
Have you heard about some Albańczyku?
Do you know the title of any Albanian books?
Have you heard any word in Albanian?
You know the Albanian currency?
Have you ever seen an Albanian license plate?
Did you see any image of Albania?
Have you heard of the Albanian cuisine?
And of Albanian music?
You know the country code for Albania?
Or maybe you know some Albanian company?
And some Albanian movie?
Do you know about some historical event concerning Albania?

nonsensopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Albania

That's quite true for most of Poles.
Crow Activity: 134 / 5,713
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11 May 2015  #17

West of Europe support Albanians against Slavs. That is one of the reasons why Poles understand that is something wrong in Albos. Plus, Poles heard that are Albos also known as Shiftars.
Harry Activity: 65 / 13,518
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11 May 2015  #18

West of Europe support Albanians against Slavs.

As far as most Poles know (and care), Albanians are Slavs.
Crow Activity: 134 / 5,713
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11 May 2015  #19

well, if you as Anglo say so then it must be truth. It MUST
Harry Activity: 65 / 13,518
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11 May 2015  #20

I've lived in Poland for far longer than I lived in the UK: my opinion as to what Poles think of Albanians is based on living here for nearly 20 years, have you even met 20 Poles in your entire life?
Polonius3 Activity: 982 / 11,697
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11 May 2015  #21

I've been in Poland for several decades and have never heard any average Pole even mention Albania or Albanians. I suspect most, if asked point-blank, wouldn't know a thing about the country -- its location, capital, religion or culture. During the commie era there were Albanian ciggies on the market and brandy.
Crow Activity: 134 / 5,713
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11 Jul 2015  #22

from this year Shiftar (Albanian) protests in Macedonia

shif

"Islam will dominate the world" and "Islam victorious"

source:
Macedonia Braces For Rival Ethnic Protests
balkaninsight.com/en/article/macedonia-expects-more-ethnic-trouble-on-friday
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11 Jul 2015  #23

Harry, correction:

Few albanians are slavs, the majority of them are turkic or mixed turkic, since during the ottoman invasions, the turkish killed the slav man and raped and converted the slav woman to islam.

Regarding the opinion of poles about albanians, i think that most poles will not know much about them, except that it is a very poor country.

Actually it is a shock to me to know that Europe have countries that are poorer than Brazil, like Albania, Bosnia or Macedonia. It is even hard to believe what was so wrong with those nations.
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11 Jul 2015  #24

Mods - So you allow Crows' nationalist posts - defending his countries murderes like their "Prime minister" - who has never apologised for it's war crimes and called them for what they were - genocide.Crow's above post is off topic. So why have you removed my post challenging his boring and nationalist propoganda?

Most people here are sick of it - and I will continue to refer to his countries murdering past while he continues to ruin thread here with his pro Serbia rubbish.

Thanks.
Crow Activity: 134 / 5,713
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11 Jul 2015  #25

Shif

protest in Albania because EU hesitate to accept them in membership

source:
Dancing, but not moving
economist.com/node/16335820

Harry, correction:

Few albanians are slavs, the majority of them are turkic or mixed turkic, since during the ottoman invasions, the turkish killed the slav man and raped and converted the slav woman to islam.

in fact, Shiftars (later named Albanians by western Europeans) represent Turkic ethos that consolidated in Europe after Ottoman invasion. They are newcomers to Europe.

Actually it is a shock to me to know that Europe have countries that are poorer than Brazil, like Albania, Bosnia or Macedonia. It is even hard to believe what was so wrong with those nations.

don`t be surprised.

Western European leading powers are infiltrated deeply in Albania, Bosnia and Macedonia. USA and Britain are involved in great specific business with some countries of Arab league and so they tries to repay their own debts by weakening and delivering Slavs of the region to the advancing extreme islamists.

Mods - So you allow Crows' nationalist posts - defending his countries murderes like their "Prime minister" - who has never apologised for it's war crimes and called them for what they were - genocide.Crow's above post is off topic

look people

It is very important for Poles to learn for English ways. What English today tries to do to Serbians, tomorrow they would try on Poles. We all very well knows that Poles have all historical reasons not to trust to English, while they have all historical reasons to trust to Serbians.

listen Dougpol1

Only genocide that happened in Srebrenica, an official UN safe heaven (but in reality NATO`s mujaheedine gathering nest), was genocide on Serbian man, woman and children. Then, when Bosnian Serbs liberated area, crime happened on number of captured and fleeing Bosnian Muslim fighters and Arab mujaheedines (exclusively on Muslim males). Serbian PM today was in Srebrenica to show his respect to the innocent among those Muslims.

These days England represent leading western European hawk that work against Serbs (and after all against process of reconciliation on Balkan), by simple repeating its war propaganda from days when due to their Geo-strategic interests NATO and EU leading powers (read- west of Europe and USA), labeled Serbians to be bad guys, while in reality Serbs resisted to western European and USA domination.

As for England itself, in last 200 years main English priority in this region of Europe is to weaken Slavs and to support rise of Islamic factor. Millions of born and unborn Serbs paid with their lives that English policy.
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11 Jul 2015  #26

Serbian PM today was in Srebrenica to show his respect

Yeah - the same man who said "For every Serbian..........."

Now what other genocidial regime did he copy that from?

Serbians, unlike the Germans, are too proud and stupid to hang your head in shame.
Crow Activity: 134 / 5,713
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11 Jul 2015  #27

you are totally indoctrinated, Dougpol1. Serbs never developed genocidal ideology, while were victims of genocidal ideologies developed by the Bosnian Muslims, Croatians, Germans, Shiftars (Albanians) and Italians. Our regional opponents, being satellites and puppets of western European powers are rewarded.

Western European ignorance on truth, justice and innocent Serbian victims already became famous. In fact, it is west of Europe and USA magnates that leads campaign against Serbs and orchestrate turmoils and instability on Balkan. Lies, double standards, hypocrisy- those are main characteristics of western European and USA politics.

Just, you know, one day in Poland won`t be possible to hide that west of Europe and USA working against Serbs, actually world against Poland, against Polish interest on vast region from Baltic to Balkan. What then? Poles would be labeled as bad guys? Poland would be attacked openly? Portioned, again? Betrayed, again?
Dougpol1 Activity: 19 / 1,596
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11 Jul 2015  #28

Crow - I understand that you are sick of the suffering of your country, and the disgrace that your nationalist leaders brought upon you. It is true that I am ignorant of the facts that lead governments and the establishment to make the decisions that they do, but one thing is clear. If the Bosnian Serbs who died had been armed, and died in battle, rather than being assured of their safety in captivity and then being shot by the scores on the roadside - as we see in film in the public domain - then no problem.

You Serbs know it was genocide - the free world proved it to be so by legal means - and yet no Serbian government has ever publicly admitted and stated the fact.

Criminal. Simple.
We know that massacres and murder were perpetrated by Bosnian Muslims and Croats too - but we are talking about Sebrinica here, and no Pole with any humanity would want to be associated with such an evil war crime as that - a crime for which the Serbian nation should publicly apologise and name as genocide before it is allowed to join the free world again.

Your PM is very lucky it was only rocks. He is incredibly stupid.
As before - simple.

So what I am trying to say - to the OP, is that Poles would rather align with the little guy (who is unarmed....) rather than with the aggressor. Poles have always been for fair play.
Crow Activity: 134 / 5,713
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11 Jul 2015  #29

You Serbs know it was genocide

no, it was not. That was crime, violence. Use any legal word for it but it was not genocide. Declaring it to be genocide represent insult for all genocide victims of human history. On Balkan, in last 600 years, genocide was committed solely on Serbs. Multiply genocide, by different players.

the free world proved it to be so by legal means

free world sit in United Nations. Free world said it was not genocide.

We know that massacres and murder were perpetrated by Bosnian Muslims and Croats too

massacres are massacres. Crime is crime. Genocide is genocide. Serbians were victims of genocide. West of Europe and USA are among perpetrates of genocide on Serbs for their strategic interests. That is the problem to them. That they won`t to admit, their own shame. That is why they lie on Serbs.

Crow - I understand that you are sick of the suffering of your country,

my country consolidate economically. That is most important. Suffering? Suffering is good for soul.

So what I am trying to say - to the OP, is that Poles would rather align with the little guy (who is unarmed....) rather than with the aggressor. Poles have always been for fair play.

Poles didn`t say their last. Don`t think that would Poles blindly buy all crap served to them by west of Europe and USA. At least one more, at least one more Poles would try to play role of independent power. Then, we Serbs would be there to support it, to prevent English & co. schemes, to prevent eventual Russian mistake. That Poles knows.

Your PM is very lucky it was only rocks. He is incredibly stupid.
As before - simple.

attack on Serbian PM today was most probably organized by `United` Kingdom.

Albanian (Shiftar) feelings for Anglo world are warm.

shif

shif

At the same time, everything Slavic have been denied, humiliated and forbidden among Albanians (Shiftars).

really many examples. here is just one story about attack on Czechs >>>

Report: Kosovo Albanians stone Czech bus
b92.net/eng/news/crimes.php?yyyy=2008&mm=05&dd=22&nav_id=50452

Czech radio confirmed that .........., Albanian youths threw stones at the bus bearing Czech license plates. It was also confirmed that no-one was injured during the incident.

"The fact that the Czech government recognized Kosovo's independence, of which I am deeply ashamed, has meant nothing to those 'peace loving' and 'democratic' Albanians", said Jaroslav Foldina, regional leader of the Czech Social Democrats, in a statement given to the online edition of daily Pravo.

Dougpol1 Activity: 19 / 1,596
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12 Jul 2015  #30

Use any legal word for it but it was not genocide.

We all know that Serbia does not recognise the International tribunal for War Crimes, or the International Court of Human Justice.

Even the Polish communist government were fearful of the international condemnation and sanctions they rightly received for the crimes they committed against their own population.

Disgusting, and pariahs you shall remain until you learn some contrition and bow your heads before your peers.




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