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Are Silesians people German/Germanic?

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13 Apr 2015  #91

Trust to Serbs.

Now here is something we should definitely not do, unless you have something that can back your claims up?

Silingi were not Germanic but they were Sarmatian tribe

That is simply not true. They Silingi were part of the Germanic tribe "Vandals".

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13 Apr 2015  #92

you know how looks like that what you said? Like you were there and sow it with your own eyes and you now want to convince us. To me who is familiar with European and Slavic history, your fabricated tales actually `sound` as `stories from the thousand and one nights`.

Jolly, even Vandals were germanized Slavs. One who knows history can even ask- what else they could be?

Spot this

This is the latest Roman state border, mid-fifth century. Colored in yellow are Sarmatian settlements within in the Roman Empire. Anywhere outside of the eastern and northern Roman borders (also all around Black Sea) were Sarmatians (ie Proto Slavs). Even if you look British islands, outside of the Roman border to the North lived Picts, Sarmatian tribe. This all means that Roman Empire expanded onto the Sarmatian territory. Ultimately, Roman Empire was originally created within Sarmatian realm (or on the most southern most Sarmatian borders on Mediterranean), due to different historical circumstances (i won`t go into it now). So, Sarmats lived within Roman borders and outside of them. With time, some Sarmats were Romanized.

Roman-Sarmatian border

Now here is something we should definitely not do, unless you have something that can back your claims up?

Poles have all historical reasons to trust to Serbs. On the other side, Poles have all historical reasons not to trust to west of Europe.

Ah ok. So, it is all within "Slavia". I believe we have heard similar arguments when Serbs went on a rampage in Kosovo to rape women and kill children. It was all within Serbia, right?

Listen. Delegation of the Poland`s parliament made independent investigation on terrain. They founded that Serbs are innocent and that actually crimes were committed on Serbs.

Please do not drift away from the topic
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13 Apr 2015  #93

Reality is that Silesian even differs from Polish in writing. Do you now want to dispute that fact also?

There is not Silesian in writing because until recently there were no a Silesian dialect but in fact there are Silesian dialects a fact you apparently know nothing about.

However I really fail to see the connection between your feelings about Silesian and a fact that Silesians are not Germanic people.
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13 Apr 2015  #94

in fact there are Silesian dialects

Indeed, the Silesian language has a number of different dialects.

Silesians are not Germanic people.

They aren't Polish either, as is shown by the fact that their language is not Polish.
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13 Apr 2015  #95

There is not Silesian in writing because until recently there were no a Silesian dialect but in fact there are Silesian dialects a fact you apparently know nothing about.

Assuming that you are referring to the fact that the "Silesian alphabet" was just created recently, I can not understand your post. Even if it was created a month ago, it would not change the fact that Silesian differs to Polish in writing. A fact you simply can not dispute, no matter how many times you repeat that I do not know nothing about it.

there are Silesian dialect

Yes, something that was never disputed here.
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13 Apr 2015  #96

Please do not drift away from the topic

yes, i agree. But, if you note i just answered on provocation.
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13 Apr 2015  #97

Assuming that you are referring to the fact that the "Silesian alphabet" was just created recently, I can not understand your post. Even if it was created a month ago, it would not change the fact that Silesian differs to Polish in writing

The only fact corresponding with the reality and not with the alternate dimension you seem to be calling from is a fact that Silesian is a dialect. Claims and postulates to the contrary is a different matter, if you stick to the facts as they are now, Silesian is a dialect. In this reality and in the light of the after mentioned fact Silesian alphabet has been created recently by the people with a political agenda and bias and if their aim was to create impression that Silesian a branch of the Polish language is a separate language they would write it in a different way on purpose.

It only proved they have an agenda but no evidence to support it.
Your childish tantrums and claims to the contrary do not matter. You belong in a kindergarten or some other facility for particularly dense people.
Still, you haven't addressed my question as to why you debate off-topic issues in this thread. Silesians are not Germanic people and whether you call Silesian a langue or a dialect do not change that fact.

They aren't Polish either, as is shown by the fact that their language is not Polish.

It is your opinion to which you are of course entitled to. I would rather leave it up to Silesians to decide for themselves.
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13 Apr 2015  #98

It only proved they have an agenda but no evidence to support it.

The evidence is the fact that a dialect is only a dialect when it does not differ in writing. I am not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

I would rather leave it up to Silesians to decide for themselves

The Silesian people have decided before and that decision did not go in favor of Poland. This was mentioned to you several times now. You however ignored the results of the referendums and replied with "Aufstände in Oberschlesien". The results have clearly shown that the majority of Silesians casted their vote in favor of Germany. The riots do not change the results.

If you ever do make it across to Europe, which I doubt you will, you should take the time to extensively travel throughout Silesia. You might be surprised. For that however you first need to change your ignorant attitude towards facts.
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13 Apr 2015  #99

In any case Silesian speech is either dialect of Polish language, or just another Slavic language. So, nothing Germanic in Silesia except some traces of Germanization. But, even those traces would disappear with time and when Poland completely consolidate its economy and provide decent standard of living to all citizens.

When crisis in Silesia escalate and when Germany mistake and push things little bit more, Poles and Serbians would fight side by side, again.

Polish patriots sing
youtube.com/watch?v=3Y64XJk-63U
youtube.com/watch?v=Gni78FkSnKg

Sarmats awake!

Serbian army using old Prussian parade march. Officially, old Prussians are by Serbian army seen as old Slavs. So, its quite obvious that Silesia isn `t Germanic but Slavic, by God blessed to be part of Poland.

Anyway, enjoy looking at Serbian blue guard of Slavia, at a military parade in China in 2015, marching in old Prussian parade mach >>>

Admin, please leave this link as it is >>> This is simple must see >>>


dolnoslask  
12 Nov 2015  #100

After living in silesia for 3 years I have notice more and more dutch, french and english people moving here to either retire or set up an agro tourism buisiness, which is starting to boom take a look at lscl.eu I have nothing to do with it but lots of these businesses have been setup by foreigners, good stuff i thing

I guess that silesia is getting more diverse than just polish/german, might be the warmer weather.
Crow Activity: 131 / 5,552
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5 Dec 2015  #101

After living in silesia for 3 years I have notice more and more dutch, french and english people moving here to either retire

what, Silesia is now Poland`s Florida for western Europeans?

or set up an agro tourism buisiness

Well, Anglo or Arab, what does it matter. Its all the same. Business is business.

which is starting to boom take a look at lscl.eu I have nothing to do with it but lots of these businesses have been setup by foreigners, good stuff i thing

sure, sure

I guess that silesia is getting more diverse than just polish/german, might be the warmer weather.

All in all Silesia is Slavic and it would stay Slavic.
ProudSilesian  
2 Jan 2017  #102

To Crow :- I suggest you get a DNA profile done, as this would confirm the blood that runs through veins and more importantly pin-point on a map as to where you and your ancestors originate from. I myself have Germanic and Slavic blood, which came as a bit of surprise to me, though i always knew that i was a Silesian and a proud one who originates from Upper Silesia. My family surname is a Silesian name which ends in giol as opposed to giel which is only found in Silesia. I already suspect yours to be from the East, Mongolia for example ?
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2 Jan 2017  #103

I myself have Germanic and Slavic blood, which came as a bit of surprise to me,

And which genetic markers tell you so?

So, nothing Germanic in Silesia except some traces of Germanization

The German (or in fact Germanic) past is clearly visible in the history of Silesia. The germanization of Silesia was a long-time process and not so obvious as you would think. Many parts of Lower Silesia were inhabited by the immigrants from the West, not only Germany, but also from The Netherlands or Belgium who should have been naturally polonized in the course of history, but instead these were the Slavic people of Silesia who have been naturally germanized in the Middle Ages as a result of this immigration. The main cause for this process taking place was the policy of Henry the Bearded [Henryk Brodaty, Heinrich der Bärtige] (1170 - 1238) aimed at separating people of the immigrant villiges from the people of the local, Polish ones.
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3 Jan 2017  #104

Silesians are Slavs, much as the Kaszubs and the Sorbs, only their historical proximity to the German border has made for considerable cross-pollination of culture between the two groups, dialect words, for instance "bana" (derived of course from the German "Bahn") instead of standard Polish "poci±g" etc...
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3 Jan 2017  #105

They are Celts

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Silesia#Celts_in_Silesia_.284th-1st_centuries_BC.29
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3 Jan 2017  #106

Celts cover a great deal of Central European territory, smurf lad! If the Silesians are of Celtic origin, then by this logic so are most Germans aka Rhinelanders and Bavarians:-)
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4 Jan 2017  #107

@smurf
They're Martians.

extremetech.com/extreme/165184-life-on-earth-originally-came-from-mars-new-study-suggests
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4 Jan 2017  #108

If the Silesians are of Celtic origin, then by this logic so are most Germans aka Rhinelanders and Bavarians:-)

Yea, that's true

Sure, we're all immigrants really anyway, I don't get why people don't like immigrants, if your family have been in the same place since the start you're immensely inbred
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4 Jan 2017  #109

@smurf
After a member of your family will die in a terrorist attack in their own peaceful country then you'll start understanding.

PS. Why do you even generalise? Hmmm? Poles aren't against immigrants. We are against muslim immigrats.
I personally work with several Ukrainian colleagues and have nothing bad to say about them. Quite the opposite.
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4 Jan 2017  #110

People, this thread upsets me. What else Silesians can be if not Slavs? They are Slavs. Of course, they are. Whole Europe and not only Europe was Slavic in the past.

They are Celts

is Proto Slavs or simple- Slavs or even more simple- Sarmatians (ie Serbians or Sorbians or any form of local Sarmarian name). i mean, let us in this 2017 year stick to the facts. Let it be year of facts and sanity. Please
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4 Jan 2017  #111

Crow is making the whole of Europe Slavic. Sort of reminds me of that chap who tried to convince everyone that the Irish are the smartest and most successful of people who helped save Western CivilizationLOL The Jews believe THEY are G_d's Chosen People, Marcus Garvey once posited the theory that the black African (vs. African-American!!) was the TRUE salvation of mankind etc...

We all have our own agenda. Where does it end?
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4 Jan 2017  #112

Whole of Europe now isn`t Slavic. Its past. Due to constant exposure to genocide, ethnocide and cultural violence, Slavs (Sarmatians) are quite reduced. And you know it. We all know it. Its public secret.
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4 Jan 2017  #113

The whole of Europe never was Slavic, Crow!! Can't you get it though your thick skull??! Oh, you're just being a provocateur, that's all it is, trying to get my goat:-)
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4 Jan 2017  #114

@Lyzko

First of all, I would like to say that alot of the so-called "official" history has been falsified in order to suit certain people's needs. In this case it is the famous "German school" which (for it's own selfish and personal reasons) proclaimed that Slavic people were some barbarians from the steppes who moved from beyond the Carpathian mountains and settled in Europe.

There is no concrete evidence of any great Slavic migrations especially in the Balkans. It means Slavic people were autochtonuous in the Balkan region.

To disprove this false German claim I will use in this case a Jewish source.

youtube.com/watch?v=ISHT-Tc7IPI

Benjamin Netanyahu the PM of Israel said in this press conference that Serbian-Jewish relations go back thousands of years from the time of the Roman Republic. This is a very interesting statement, because if any people have access to secret historical archives, it is the Jews. I would like to remind you that Roman Republic predates the Roman Empire therefore this proves that German claims are totally false.
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4 Jan 2017  #115

The whole ....

You insist on secrecy? Very well. Mainstream media anyway support your stance, so who care for truth. Truth is out. Joke is in.
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4 Jan 2017  #116

Benjamin Netanyahu the PM of Israel said in this press conference that Serbian-Jewish relations go back thousands of years from the time of the Roman Republic.

We are closer and closer to the truth. Its simple because general human progress begins to suffer due to distortions of historical science and political influence on it.

Fact is that 17 Roman emperors and 1 caesar of classical Roman antiquity were born in what is now Serbia (Roman Moesia). It also isn`t unknown that Sarmatians were subjugated to Rome but actually they achieved symbiotic relationship with Romans due to several reasons and primary due to fact that only way for Romans to rule over Europe (ie Sarmatia, ie Slavialand) was to have influential Sarmats incorporated in structure of Roman society.

Same as 2000 years ago, Serbia is today, core of Slavic world or to say of that what remained from Sarmatian realm. Within core, no wonder that people still using their old original Sarmatian name (local version of it- Serbians).

See, many will yet to understand why Bismarck, ``father` of German nation, on his deathbed, said `Serbia` as his last word.
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4 Jan 2017  #117

After a member of your family will die in a terrorist attack in their own peaceful country then you'll start understanding.

HAhaha!!!

I'm from Ireland sweetheart, I can teach you all about terrorism.

Now, either get back on topic or FO

What else Silesians can be if not Slavs?

Celts, I've just shown you that, if you really want this to be the year of facts then accept them :)
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4 Jan 2017  #118

Celts

yes. Same as we Serbians are Celtic Scordisci- as Romans themselves admitted- most glorious and most numerous Celtic tribe (what to tell you- all the best from old core; that`s how it was/is :)). See, Celts, Gauls, Thracians, Dacians, Scythians, Iliryans, etc, etc, all were Sarmatians (ie Slavs).
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4 Jan 2017  #119

Crow would make the whole of Europe Slavic, once again, as ridiculous as making the whole world Celtic:-)

For every argument, there's an equally valid counter-claim!
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5 Jan 2017  #120

They aren't Polish either, as is shown by the fact that their language is not Polish.

silly Harry, ignorant as usuall
silesians are western slavic group,and were included to polish ethnos when polish ethnicity was emerging.
it was silesian dukes who were behind creating polish state in 10 century.
its as stupid as if to say that pomeranians or vistulans are not polish.
as for today,many were germanised to some degree,but only less than 2 % of silesians consider themselves other ethnicity than polish




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