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Polish & Prussian/German town name cross-reference.


NoToForeigners 5 | 530    
15 Nov 2016  #31

I live in Zielona Góra. Formerly Grunberg.


Lyzko 13 | 2,587    
15 Nov 2016  #32

On some older or pre-War German maps, most Polish cities and towns were "Germanized", Bytom/Beuthen, Łódż/Litzmannstadt, etc...
Even nowadays, in German atlases, the Polish is always side-by-side with the German, like Gdańsk (Danzig), and so forth.
NoToForeigners 5 | 530    
15 Nov 2016  #33

some older or pre-War German maps, most Polish cities and towns were "Germanized", Bytom/Beuthen, Łódż/Litzmannstadt, etc...

Like Londyn/London or Munich/Monachium or Nowy Jork/New York?
TheOther 5 | 2,832    
15 Nov 2016  #34

On the immigration transcript it has something that looks like Berluialius, Prussia

Can you post an image? "Berluialius" sounds wrong; definitely not a Prussian/German place name.
Lyzko 13 | 2,587    
15 Nov 2016  #35

Not analogous, NotTo Foreigners, since Poland as well as England/America never conquered other countries and imposed their language by force of rule, unless of course, you mean the spread of World English through sheerly a marketing and public relations takeover by the international media aka the Internet.

However this is social and political rather than military:-)
Lyzko 13 | 2,587    
15 Nov 2016  #36

Let me amend. Colonies of Great Britain did indeed, only Poland and Germany DO share common borders.
Ziemowit 8 | 2,240    
15 Nov 2016  #37

On some older or pre-War German maps, most Polish cities and towns were "Germanized", Bytom/Beuthen, Łódż/Litzmannstadt, etc...

Beuthen is a naturally germanized Slavic name, but you cant tell the same about Łódź/Litzmannstadt. The latter was simply baptized anew.
Lyzko 13 | 2,587    
15 Nov 2016  #38

Nice way of putting things, Ziemowit!
dolnoslask 1 | 871    
16 Nov 2016  #39

America never conquered other countries and imposed their language by force of rule

Unless of course you were a native American to which all of the above does apply.
Lyzko 13 | 2,587    
16 Nov 2016  #40

To be sure, the imposition of English throughout the entire civilized (and uncivilizedLOL) world owes much of its dubious success to the advent of American digitalization, aided and abetted by Hollywood along with Madison Avenue:-)
Ziemowit 8 | 2,240    
16 Nov 2016  #41

aided and abetted by Hollywood along with Madison Avenue:-)

I can understand "Hollywood", but I cannot work out the meaning of 'Madison Avenue' in your culture context.
Atch 8 | 1,352    
16 Nov 2016  #42

A lot of advertising agencies are located in the Madison Avenue area and advertising copywriters are always coming up with cheesy slogans and catch phrases which have exercised some influence on the vernacular of the English language. That's my guess anyway!
mafketis 16 | 3,888    
16 Nov 2016  #43

'Madison Avenue' in your culture context.

Advertising and the advertising industry (once headquartered on Madison Avenue in NYC)
Lyzko 13 | 2,587    
16 Nov 2016  #44

Atch is correct:-)
John15    
7 Dec 2016  #45

I also am trying to track down a Prussian city. It is the place of birth of my great grandmothers mother.Would have been born in around 1827. It is very difficult to read but it appears to be: "Bommeon" but could be a range of other names. Only the double "mm" seems to be clear. Cant find anything even similar on the web on sites i have been looking at.
gumishu 10 | 4,190    
11 Mar 2017  #47

what does it mean?
land of thunder    
12 Mar 2017  #48

Throughout the centuries Germans practiced the fine art of "Ethnic Cleansing". The last Crusade was in Prussia; to destroy the Balts who were living on their own land. Conquerors kept all, and brought in streams of German peasants to clear the land and work it as serfs. German peasants were encouraged to migrate with tales of free land. The peasants in western German City States were mistreated so much that these Germans fled to Poland; and Prussia, which was the fief of the Polish king.

These did not assimilate and claimed their villages to be German territories. Here begins the confusion in German minds as to what is Germany.[Only a country since @ 1865]. Romantic notions which conveniently dismiss the dispossession and murder of Polish independent/free farmers. These farms were settled by German peasants who were force-marched from South and Central German Principalities. The settlements were never successful as the land was unproductive and the German landholders, who lived in Germany, had little interest in them. The interest of the Prussian State was to keep Poland from reclaiming it.

@ The mass eviction of Germans from central Poland After WWII. Most of these wundervolk were imported from Germany/ Lithuania/ Latvia/ Estonia/ Russia. As per German = lots of accusations about mistreatment; yet nothing about mass murder of Slavs to free the new territories for the mighty and perfect German volk. Karma?

Map of Prussia with towns=
prussianpoland.com/maps-poland.html
TheOther 5 | 2,832    
12 Mar 2017  #49

The provided link above is garbage (like the rest of the post, which was completely off-topic). There are no usable historical maps hosted on that server. Instead, they offer a paid download service for something that is available for free on many other web sites. Try these links instead:

kartenmeister.com/preview/databaseuwe.asp (they also have an online gazetteer)
english.mapywig.org/news.php
mapy.amzp.pl/maps.shtml
Bejma    
20 Mar 2017  #50

As for Germanization - The "excuse" I've seen repeatedly, was that Poland "welcomed" Germans in to modernize agriculture, when, exactly, I'm not sure. It was true (then) that agricultural methods in Western Europe were (somehow) more productive, hence the influx of Germans is claimed to have been "by request." Some apparently stayed. Prussia and Prussians came later, by force I believe.

As for Poland's origin; it was west of it's current center, but not Silesia - around Gniezno, to be exact.
Lyzko 13 | 2,587    
20 Mar 2017  #51

Poland didn't so much "welcome" German "settlers" into what was at the time deemed Polish territory, Poland needed the skills and services offered by neighboring Germany!

The latter was to be sure far more advanced academically, scientifically and later on, industrially. Rarely did Germans choose to study in Poland, yet Poles could not say their professional education was even complete without at least a period abroad, studying for example in Berlin, Munich or Regensburg.

The presence of Germans in Polish territory, as I've said often before, is one of the reasons why so many German cities, town, and villages have German names alongside Polish ones.



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