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Former Poland PM Donald Tusk - A Kashub or a German.


guesswho 4 | 1,278
26 Jun 2011 #31
Let him be a German if he is,

don't get me wrong, I personally don't care who he is it was more like a technical question if a citizen of one country is to be seen as a part of it, that's all.

the issue is whether what he does is for the greater good of Poland not Germany.

fully agree with you here, as long as he does a good job for you guys (whether he does or not is up to you to determine that), why would anyone care.
Seanus 15 | 19,674
26 Jun 2011 #32
Well, a Kenyan runs America, so..... ;) ;)
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
26 Jun 2011 #33
no PB? Then I'll ask you a question, are you an American or not?

I realize that you really can't be both. So as someone who was born in Poland, who's all ancestors were Polish and who still holds a Polish citizenship I am and feel Polish, I probably always will. That's me being honest.
guesswho 4 | 1,278
26 Jun 2011 #34
Well, a Kenyan runs America, so..... ;) ;)

You mean an American of Kenyan descent, right? :-) (I don't like him but we have to stay correct if just a little).

I realize that you really can't be both.

In general, one is who he believes and feels he is. If you feel Polish, you are Polish. It wouldn't make any sense to force you be an American.
Natasa 1 | 580
26 Jun 2011 #35
I realize that you really can't be both

Why not? You belong to both. It is typical in development of social identity of the first generation with US citizenship. Dual social identity. Your posts imply that you really adopted both identities. Next generation, your kids will according to empirical research on that topic adopt most probably only American identity.
guesswho 4 | 1,278
26 Jun 2011 #36
Then you don't know Poles in America, lol OK, some of them do as you say but many just live here and create their little Poland inside the US and more or less ignore the rest.
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
26 Jun 2011 #37
Your posts imply that you really adopted both identities. Next generation, your kids

I don't think so. People see me they know just by looking at me I'm Polish, the way I look, talk, walk, behave it's just different. I never really assimilated because in Poland and when I came here (even if I had a break from it) I always mostly hung out with Polish people, still do to this day. Even my English it's very good but sometimes I have a slight accent. I just always felt more Polish, I feel more comfortable around them.
Seanus 15 | 19,674
26 Jun 2011 #38
That tends to be in the nature of many, yes. Poles are like the Borg in that respect, much like the Japanese.

As for Tusk, check most sources and they will tell you he is a Kashubian.
Natasa 1 | 580
26 Jun 2011 #39
I don't say anything, I just read relevant literature on the topic. Third generation feels American, second both, first is loyal to the country of birth.

Oversimplified it sounds like that. Of course, exceptions are always present. That is the trend observed by researches.

Pennboy, I forgot that you were born in Poland. You are not falling in any of the categories they offered, because you were socialized in American system and born abroad.
southern 74 | 7,074
26 Jun 2011 #40
If he is German he has already his connections.
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
26 Jun 2011 #41
I don't say anything, I just read relevant literature on the topic. Third generation feels American, second both, first is loyal to the country of birth.

Well there you go.
guesswho 4 | 1,278
26 Jun 2011 #42
That is the trend observed by researches.

yep, this is how it should be but in many cases, it isn't.
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
26 Jun 2011 #43
Pennboy, I forgot that you are born in Poland.

It's OK ;)

Then you don't know Poles in America, lol OK, some of them do as you say

You said it yourself when I asked you, if you lived in a foreign country for 10 or 20 years would you stop being an American? you said never I'm a Yank (or something like that lol). Same here, when I hang out with my Polish friends we're laughing and joking in a large group it feels good it feels like you're almost back in Poland.

Aushwitz/Oświęcim.

Allow me to correct you Sok, he wasn't at Auschwitz but Stutthof
guesswho 4 | 1,278
26 Jun 2011 #44
you said never I'm a Yank

Hey, I don't blame you for anything at all, I only described the situation in the US (especially with Poles) the way it really is.

The only thing I don't understand is, why we need a visa to go to Chicago? (just kidding, lol)
Ironside 53 | 12,364
26 Jun 2011 #45
Doesn't matter what his grandpa was or what he is ........What is important is whatever he is doing a good job. I say nay!

kick him out!
OP Sokrates 8 | 3,345
26 Jun 2011 #46
Allow me to correct you Sok, he wasn't at Auschwitz but Stutthof

Thats correct i'm sorry i wasnt in a discussion about Tusk for more than a year now.
Seanus 15 | 19,674
26 Jun 2011 #47
Another fact gone wrong? ;)
sascha 1 | 824
26 Jun 2011 #48
Well, a Kenyan runs America, so..... ;) ;)

;))))

If he is German he has already his connections.

angela managed sth for him, for sure...
Piast Poland 3 | 165
26 Jun 2011 #49
Maybe thats why him and Merkel are so friendly lol
OP Sokrates 8 | 3,345
26 Jun 2011 #50
Another fact gone wrong? ;)

No just memory failing i checked the rest after that, i'm correct on all other points dont be a pr*ck its enough that you're a Jew.
Seanus 15 | 19,674
26 Jun 2011 #51
german-times.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2685&Itemid=78, have a read, Sok. It's in English :)

What's a Jew, Sok?
Torq
28 Jun 2011 #52
Good thinking, BB. Imagine big posters and billboards with this picture, all over Poland, the logo of PO
on them and a text saying - "Tusk family - building great relations with Germany since 1939!" ;)
Seanus 15 | 19,674
28 Jun 2011 #53
OK so the best MMA fighter in Poland is Georgian so we can't let the PM find his German status. Surely not ;)
Crow 155 | 9,025
3 Jan 2024 #54
Former Poland PM Donald Tusk - A Kashub or a German.

He is Kashub alright. Here on Balkan we know Kashubs as Northern Serbs, too.

Have in mind that complete Eastern Germany and complete Baltic were land of Serbs. Baltic was in past known as Oceanus Sarmaticus.

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Ironside 53 | 12,364
3 Jan 2024 #55
Baltic were land of Serbs.

I don't know Crow. Poles are Northern people and Serbs are South, don't see much of a connection.
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By the way, it needs to be said that Tusk's gov is a turning point in history. Very few can stop it at the time when it is happening, in a few years or decades it will become clear that I'm right. (or not, lol!) I bet money against peanuts that I'm in the right here.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,158
3 Jan 2024 #56
Kashubs as Northern Serbs, too.

Why Northern Serbs? Kashubs are a Pommeranian tribe that affiliates itself with Poland rather then Germany, even tho Donald Tusk prefers to give Kashubs a bad rep -.-

I didn't think Sorbs or those slavs further west that became Germanised were much Pommeranian
Ironside 53 | 12,364
3 Jan 2024 #57
Very few can stop it

should be - spot it -
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amiga500 4 | 1,520
3 Jan 2024 #58
Poles are Northern people and Serbs are South, don't see much

But we are one slavic tribe, and we own half of europe. ruskis kicked out of the club temporaily. Dey Mongols atm till this sh*t gets sorted out.
Alien 20 | 4,740
3 Jan 2024 #59
He is Kashub

He is, above all, Polish.
Crow 155 | 9,025
3 Jan 2024 #60
Sure. Aren`t all Serbs Polish? Or can you say that all Poles aren`t Serbs ie Sarmatians?


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