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Why are some Polish people dark complected, and others very light


josecitomadera
26 Mar 2007 #211
You ARE a racist and anti-American. Every time I read your illogical and rambling posts, I am embarrassed that such an idiot lives in my country.

What is anti-american is denying any American is rights namely freedom of speech. I have a right to voice my opinion. I stand by most things I have said here. Some things I have said that were out of line I have recanted. It's my belief that America owes the descendants of black slaves the 40 acres and 1 mule they were promised by Congress. Here read this and learn how Congress reneged on their promise to BLACK slaves.

WIKIPEDIA
40 acres and a mule is another term for compensation that was to be awarded to freed American slaves after the Civil War— 40 acres (16 ha) of land to farm, and a mule with which to drag a plow so the land could be cultivated.

The award—a land grant of a quarter of a quarter section (a common homestead size of the time) deeded to heads of households presumably formerly owned by land-holding whites—was the product of Special Field Orders, No. 15, issued January 16, 1865 by Maj. Gen. William T. Sherman, which applied to black families who lived near the coasts of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida. Sherman's orders specifically allocated "the islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida." There was no mention of mules in Sherman's order, although the Army may have distributed them anyway.

After the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln, his successor, Andrew Johnson, revoked Sherman's Orders. It is sometimes mistakenly claimed that Johnson also vetoed the enactment of the policy as a federal statute (introduced as U.S. Senate Bill 60). In fact, the Freedmen's Bureau Bill which he vetoed made no mention of grants of land or mules. (Another version of the Freedmen's bill, also without the land grants, was later passed after Johnson's second veto was overridden.)

By June of 1865, around 40,000 freed slaves were settled on 400,000 acres (1,600 km&sup2:) in Georgia and South Carolina. Soon after, President Johnson reversed the order and returned the land to its white former owners. Because of this, the phrase has come to represent the failure of Reconstruction and the general public to assist African Americans in the path from slavery to freedom.

After the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln, his successor, Andrew Johnson, revoked Sherman's Orders.

I come to you with knowledge and truth. You lash back with expletives, vitriolic remarks and innuendo. Oh lest I forget, even direct threats of bodily harm and you presume to descend from such an upright and noble race when you issue threats as if you were God. How dare anyone even think of saying such a thing to you in person. Then you respond that such a person is a coward. Hate me all you like but it doesn't change the facts. Your hatred blinds you from seeing what has been done to the black man since the Emancipation Proclamation.

By June of 1865, around 40,000 freed slaves were settled on 400,000 acres (1,600 km&sup2 in Georgia and South Carolina. Soon after, President Johnson reversed the order and returned the land to its white former owners.

Twice the orders were revoked. A sworn promise and an army directive yet they were pushed off the land twice. Is this justice? Is this justice my good fair Polish people who have suffered so much in the past? I direct this to the non-racist good Polish people here. Is it fair??

the phrase has come to represent the failure of Reconstruction and the general public to assist African Americans in the path from slavery to freedom.

FISZ 24 | 2,116
26 Mar 2007 #212
It's my belief that America owes the descendants of black slaves the 40 acres and 1 mule they were promised by Congress.

Whatever. White Americans living today never owned slaves and should not be held accountable for the ‘sins of their fathers’.

...also by 1865, 40,000 freedmen had received 400,000 acres of abandoned Confederate land.

Amd believe me, A Americans are doing well for themselves these days. As long as they get an education, there's just as much opportunity. My ancestors went through the same situations and I'm not asking for anything back.
josecitomadera
26 Mar 2007 #213
also by 1865, 40,000 freedmen had received 400,000 acres of abandoned Confederate land.

1865 (October) A reluctant General O. Howard, Chair of the Freedmen's Bureau assigned the task to tell freed slaves in Georgia and South Carolina that they must return the land they had settled on to the original owners. Some 2,000 Blacks came to the local church on Edisto Island to hear his comments. Howard said the freed slaves need to "lay aside their bitter feelings. and to become reconciled to their old masters." They responded "No, never!" "Can't do it!" "Why, General Howard, do you take away our lands?" Petitions by Blacks were drafted to protest betrayal. The first stated: " General, we want Homesteads, we were promised Homesteads by the government. If it does not carry out the promises its agents made to us...we are left in a more unpleasant condition than our former....You will see this is not the condition of really free men." (Eric Foner & Joshua Brown Forever Free: The Story of Emancipation and Reconstruction)
FISZ 24 | 2,116
26 Mar 2007 #214
True, but it's over. We all live happily ever after. We still shouldn't be responsible for things we're not guilty of.
josecitomadera
26 Mar 2007 #215
Amd believe me, A Americans are doing well for themselves these days. As long as they get an education, there's just as much opportunity. My ancestors went through the same situations and I'm not asking for anything back.

Are you African American? If so why haven't you said anything to these racists?
FISZ 24 | 2,116
26 Mar 2007 #216
No, I'm not black. And it's been too many years to give a rats ass. Life is too short to worry about what the governmment owes the people.

I've learned that racists will be the same people no matter what you say. They say what they do because they 're ammused by the reaction of people that complain about it all the time. The worls will always be full of these people. Why humor them? It's not I that lives in a world of fear like they do.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
26 Mar 2007 #217
It's my belief that America owes the descendants of black slaves the 40 acres and 1 mule they were promised by Congress.

Correction Govt. many Americans are Immigrants which had no direct involvment
in slavery, or stealing lands. so lets be more specific, because I am polish and
sorry, but I am not paying for something my family never even came remotely close
to being involved in . I understand their past, and history changed alot since then
I dont think the african community suffered as much as poland did which happened
60 plus years ago and the comparison cant be even measured to. do I think they
deserve something now? Yes, respect as everyone does, do I think Poland deserves
more ( Hell yes) because they had much more loss, slaves in America might have
suffered, but nothing like in Europe. I would rather pick cotton and serve a master
then die in a gas chamber naked with my whole family next to me and knowing
your last breath would be minutes from that last thought.

I have no problems with people celebrating a national movement to secure their
rights as they should have them living in America, WHen I hear such stories it makes
me upset, because I feel its wrong to live here and someone dictate what drinking
fountain you can drink out of, but that is nothing compared to walking outside on
a street and soldiers hold up guns pointed at you or someone in your family and
take the children away sending them on trains far away from their parents while
these people get shot in streets and I could go on, so no, I dont feel they deserve
40 acres and 1 mule, this is 2007 and as Poland had to move on with bitterness
in their hearts, and memorials standing in every place where a mass grave was
dug, I think that the african Americans should move on too.

I give only my respect to those who make efforts to improve their lives in a
constructive way, this goes for any nation willing to go the distance to make their
lives better their own way, because life doesnt give handouts, we all know that!
stanrntn
29 Mar 2007 #218
Quote . Mar 21, 07, 7:42pm . #129

"Blacks suffered at the hands of white European slave masters"

Yeah I would not be be surprized if is all just a made up barrel of bullmularky!
apo - | 1
16 Oct 2007 #219
also germans, dutch and english have dark people, even scandinavian, but the dark polish, german english, etc have white features.
Grandpa
7 Nov 2007 #220
Latent genetics is the vehicle by which skin pigmentation is, at times, brought to the forfront with regards to Polish ethnicity. An examination of Polish history, with emphasis on it's wars of invasion will satisfactorily provide the answers you seek. Waring tribes from the East, the Hunic expansion and of course the Khans of Mongolia all contribute.

"They came from the East" is a common enough phrase with respect to this subject amongst Poles.
Crazy Horse RV
15 Nov 2007 #221
I think the last two pure breed people were Adam and Eve.
Shortly after their initial meeting (arranged by a higher authority) they engaged in sex and nothing has been the same since. (That's a fact!)
southern 75 | 7,096
15 Nov 2007 #222
It has to do with sun exposure.I am sure vampires in Poland have very white skin.
Jooma 1 | 23
22 Dec 2007 #223
Hungarians are more Slavic than you think. The local Slavic population was conquered by Turkish Avars who left the language and few customs.
There is still a discussion about Hungarian language, does it belong to Ugro-Finnish or Turkish. I believe than it its definitely Turkish/Iranian family. Spending some time in these countries I found the sounds very similar, I do not know about meaning.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
22 Dec 2007 #224
wierd how people on this thread talk about others' experiences from history as if they were their own.

other than that, this is a very interesting topic to read through.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
22 Dec 2007 #225
It has to do with sun exposure.I am sure vampires in Poland have very white skin.

they dont celebrate halloween.. :D

quote=Foreigner4] wierd how people on this thread talk about others' experiences from history [/quote]

isnt that what the imagination is supposed to do, put yourself in history so that you
can try to understand what they did, went thru, to get to where we are today?

this is a very interesting topic to read through.

I agree.. we need more input in this thread.. has anyone had their DNA tree
done ( ancestry) to see which group they belong?

I plan to in the near future..
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
22 Dec 2007 #226
snt that what the imagination is supposed to do, put yourself in history so that you
can try to understand what they did, went thru, to get to where we are today?

I feel you have a point there, and I agree with you, but only to an extent. I.E, imagining isn't the same as being.

I agree with you that we must endeavor to empathize in order to sympathize. But we must keep ourselves in check when we speak about realities. If it has not been our direct experience then it is, in my opinion, a form of dishonesty to use a term which attributes an event to our experience.

The following example is simply only that and a simplification of something i've seen and read many times, the basics have been kept true to form:

-We had to go through a lot during the period of partition.

In the above example, unless the person (albeit an example) had gone through this experience themself, then the term "we" is incredibly inaccurate.

These kinds of words lead to an "us vs them" kind of debate imo.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
22 Dec 2007 #227
a form of dishonesty to use a term which attributes an event to our experience.

but every moment in time cannot be re-created or forseen so its up to the imagination
to bring forth these so called experiences from the past given the information
presented by those whom have explored these avenues of our past lives...

there wasnt just one dinosaur or one human..

We had to go through a lot during the period of partition

we,us,they, them -pleural forms meaning more then one.. history involves many..

In the above example, unless the person (albeit an example) had gone through this experience themself, then the term "we" is incredibly inaccurate.

not necessarily so, IMHO it can repeat itself thru others and in certain instances..

For example: someone can be attacked by a pitbull. it might not be the same one
that attacks again, but the same breed of pitbull can attack another human and
leave the same damage.. thus two of the same types of historical events that happened to ( pleural) two people with more then likely the same provocation as this is

how we learn about animals, plants and humans because history can be predictable
in some instances.. we have come so much further because of this.

:))
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
23 Dec 2007 #228
every moment in time cannot be re-created or forseen so its up to the imagination
to bring forth these so called experiences from the past given the information
presented by those whom have explored these avenues of our past lives...

That's when logic must stop the imagination from substituting reality for fantasy and acknowledge others' pasts while admitting we have no past lives to readily call upon ourselves.

we,us,they, them -pleural forms meaning more then one.. history involves many..

No. "We" is a first person subject pronoun that means the speaker or writer speaks for a subject group as a representative. "Us" is first person object pronoun that accomplishes the same only as a object group representative. History involves many, but if a person was not a participant then as sanity dictates, they are not qualified to present themselves as one outside of acting or literature.

-We had to go through a lot during the period of partition.

In the above example, unless the person (albeit an example) had gone through this experience themself, then the term "we" is incredibly inaccurate.

not necessarily so, IMHO it can repeat itself thru others and in certain instances..

No, I'm sorry but you wrote yourself "in other instances," in my example the reasoning still stands unblemished and unaffected.

For example: someone can be attacked by a pitbull. it might not be the same one that attacks again.

Excellent point! I completely agree with you on some levels of this arguement. If i get
you right, a viable conclusion could be "we should be careful of this dog" or "this dog may attack us." Is that what you meant?

However, I've read the equivalent of people making statements like "We were attacked" or "This dog attacked us."

Semantically so close, yet so different in logic and in reality. Unfortunately people seem to look down on semantic specificity as it limits the play on emotions and doesn't allow for lazy thinking.

how we learn about animals, plants and humans because history can be predictable
in some instances

I completely agree with you again, and wouldn't dream of presenting anything against that. But, simply because this kind of thinking applies to laws of nature and the people act doesn't give us (yes "us") license to present ourselves as realtime players in things we (yes "we") haven't been apart of. Yes, in a thought exercise, of course you're right, (and then some). Yet there is a line of logic and reason people cross when given to imagination and it's in crossing that line people fall down the slippery slope into backward and childish rants that though full of base emotion, are void of anything beyond that. And outside the bedroom is seldom to positive effect.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
23 Dec 2007 #229
However, I've read the equivalent of people making statements like "We were attacked" or "This dog attacked us."

well of course,, because the first statement doesnt specify what they were attacked by
the second tells what attacked them and so the two arent similar because the first
statement could refer to a man or a cat or snake..

but its up to the individual to become interested in the statement and create his own
thought process of how/what happened.. or succumb to lazy thinking and not be
interested at all..
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
23 Dec 2007 #230
ok let's take it that step further, even to say "we were attacked by that dog" is still fallacious use of language. the object need not be identified explicitly when the two people discussing it are both clear on what the object (in this case our example dog) is.

other than that i still agree with some of your assesment but i still stand by my observation.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
23 Dec 2007 #231
the object need not be identified explicitly when the two people discussing it are both clear on what the object (in this case our example dog) is.

ahhh but how do we know they are only discussing it among themselves?

maybe the reference to being attacked was to a goup of people :)
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
23 Dec 2007 #233
dont fall off the wagon

*grabs foreigner4 by the hand*

its clearly a discussion , not a book :)

"we should be careful of this dog" or "this dog may attack us." Is that what you meant?

no, i meant that two seperate incidents happened .. by the same type of animal
( predictable) making the incident's similar in how/possibly why/ what happened.

two different sets of people/persons.

We should be careful of this dog is pre-meditated warning. as is this dog may attack
us because the dog hasnt attacked yet, but possibly could.

same applies to known diseases, animals, humans, plants, ( being predictable)
so someone elses reality could have repeated itself ( different person) but
same instances therefore it cannot be a dishonest to use a term to describe something even it is was someone else's reality because that is the english language

and if the word only has one meaning, it cant be another's dishonest abuse of the term if its the only word to describe it.

and even if we are seperate in realitys, we still all in some way share the same
predictable history.. which is why we are so comfortable with our lives now.
we learned from it.. and would it be wrong to say that when your born , you do not
have a handbook in your diaper that tells you what not to do, its all a case of learning
which we all know by experience have went thru similar learning experiences growing
up..

do not touch a stove. do not play with scissors, do not pull the dogs hair, do not
eat crayons, do not.. the list goes on.. thats my point.

:)))
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
24 Dec 2007 #234
well thank you for pointing out something i wasn't referring to, no just kidding.

predictable history

hey you should start up a lil promotion, you could predict the past for people, you'd be all but guaranteed a perfect score, lol.

in any case it was only an observation how people wrongly attribute things to their own experience, it's like knowing vs hearing something.

if the word only has one meaning, it cant be another's dishonest abuse of the term if its the only word to describe it.

How many meanings of "we" can exist in a given context? Check your medication or stop eating crayons, one or the other:)

it's lazy thinking to not be specific, but people are prone to substituting themselves as players in events they never experienced, so yeah that's a lil dishonest, and it was that and only that i had meant. now let's continue to beat a dead horse and you can reclarify something that i made no comment on anyhow ok?
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
25 Dec 2007 #235
now let's continue to beat a dead horse and you can reclarify something that i made no comment on anyhow ok?

nahhhhhhhh , I will let you beat whatever it is you want to.. I got better things to
do. :) lol

hope Your Christmas was Blessed.. :)
genie - | 1
8 Jan 2008 #236
I just had my DNA genetic profile done, and it came out that I am completely Polish. This came as a complete surprise because most of my genealogy from the last 500 years is English, Irish, and Dutch. I have very fair skin with freckles, green/hazel eyes, and dark hair. Is my complexion common in Poland?
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
12 Jan 2008 #237
Why are some Polish people dark complected,and others very light

Some are what you call 'Polish Negroes' or Czarny Polska.
Vanguard - | 24
18 Feb 2008 #238
Some of the darker people might be jews who are attempting to blend in with the local population.
Dzhaklin 3 | 166
28 Feb 2008 #239
I just had my DNA genetic profile done, and it came out that I am completely Polish. This came as a complete surprise because most of my genealogy from the last 500 years is English, Irish, and Dutch. I have very fair skin with freckles, green/hazel eyes, and dark hair. Is my complexion common in Poland?

When I was younger I had blonde hair but now I am a lot like you. Also how much did you pay to get the dna profile done?
janekb - | 57
12 Mar 2008 #240
It struck me when I came to Warsaw after being abroad for a quite a long time how identical everyone looks. I was looking down on a crowd waiting for luggage.

I had a friend who without a doubt had some Tartar blood, he looked like a copy of Zbigniew Brzezinski (slightly slanted eyes, and facial features making children cry). To my great sorrow he passed away, anyway I doubt if he will know. There were Tartars resettled on the eastern border, these were captured soldiers of an Ottoman Empire, recognized as well trained and fierce worriers they were offered freedom and land on the eastern border. Officers were granted nobility status and throughout the Polish history they were the most patriotic. Quickly integrated into polish society while retaining their religion (Muslim). Since the eastern parts were after WW2 incorporated into USSR many of them moved to the central Poland.

There was also Armenians coming to Poland as small traders when both countries were part of Great Russia, then at the beginning of XX century when they were running away from Turks. They also quickly assimilated.

Both are usually shorter and having darker completion people (my friend was very pale and tall).


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