As to the 2 (Polish) persons who have simply disappeared overnight whereas we were in the very best terms, they both (on separate occasions) left Warsaw and have cut relationships with several people (not only me ;)
Wow, the great mistery solved lol They moved to another city
. Now, my question is - did they suddenly stop answering your messages and answering your calls the minute they set their feet on the soil of those other cities or it did happen gradually over time?
As I wrote before, I myself have problems with keeping in touch with people that moved abroad, for example. It's also more difficult to sustain a relationship even when someone is living in another city in the country. Such ties get "relaxed" over time and often they die a natural death. That's nothing surprising for me and nothing unusual in my opinion and I somehow doubt it's a specifically "Polish trait" and not a general "human trait".
My best friend from high school, for example, right after finishing high school moved to Paris to study art at the Sorbonne, because she loved art and French language and culture and it was her dream. For me it was a bit of a blow and I missed her a lot at first and we would write a lot to each other initially, letters and then e-mails and we would meet when she was coming to visit Poland but during a few years we both would write less and less frequently and at some point the contact just died. I was very busy with my studies, I've met my next best friend and other friends at the uni - life got in the way, as I wrote earlier. I can imagine the same happened to her.
and I do NOT know where the others are....
That's something I don't entirely understand. If you were friends then how come you don't know where they are? You don't know where they live, where they work?
As I said, I know several foreigners who had similar experiences and here in PF Roger5 said he happens to him on a regular basis so what does it have to do with me????
That's something I'm trying to determine :) It doesn't happen to me, it doesn't happen to people that I know - so it's logical to look for different theories.
It was dolnoslask, not Roger5 and he wrote it happens to him from time to time and that those people usually show up when they need money. Which brings me to the conclusion that they aren't really his friends, that's a no-brainer really.
Yes, I have spent 1/3 of my life abroad (total of 7 countries (not to clean toilets) and I have never seen this).
Not sure how the comment about cleaning toilets was necessary - if you wanted to show your superiority to economic migrants from Poland then that's just low :)
Now, tell me - which countries and for how long?
Also, how people end friendships and acquaintanceships in your country and in the countries you lived in? Do they write long e-mails explaining why they are terminating their relations? Do you meet over a coffee and say something like: "Listen, here's the thing, I don't feel like hanging out with you anymore, I have more interesting friends now and/or just don't have the time for you, etc., sorry"?
Also, as per my personal culture, it's very rude not to answer messages.
As I already wrote, for those Poles not answering your messages may be the nicer way, in their view, of ditching you than telling you: "I don't want to hang out with you anymore, stop bothering me."
Don't give me your paranoid sh@@@t about my socalled "polonophobia' (such a word?)
If you're asking whether such word exists, then yes - it does :) And there's nothing paranoid about it - one can be prejudiced against any ethnicity, including Polish one.
since my husband was Polish and his (Polish) family has contributed so much to Poland
It doesn't change a thing, in my opinion, a person can be prejudiced, chauvinistic, etc. even if married to a Pole or any other ethnicity. It's weird, I know, but I've seen it before. It's a bit like a racist person claiming he's/she's not racist because he/she has a black friend while writing clearly prejudiced comments. Sorry, but that's just not enough for me. Don't hide behind your family, it doesn't work for me.
so keep your "lessons" to others
Why is that? Only you can be a "lecturer" on this forum? Noone can "lecture" you, hmm? :)
You know NOTHING about people's lives but you dare judging them (= your stupidity).
It's rich coming from one of the most judgemental people on this forum. Not pleasant when it's happening to you, huh? :) I'm "judging" people in the same way as others do that on this forum, including you, based on their comments - for example, when you're calling people "racist mob" you're judging them while knowing NOTHING about their lives, right?
(= your stupidity)
I simply provided you with a few theories (some more serious ones, some not so much :)) based on the info you provided and your character traits you display constantly on this forum.
And I must say I find it hard to accept the assessment of the level of my intelligence from someone who claims that 99% of Poles think that black people are apes :)
Foreigners who live here have thousands of personal experiences with Poland and with Poles (normal) but if we foreigners dare criticizing one Pole and something Polish, we are attacked by the mob!
The thing is, InPolska, that you
were called a chauvinist (or a xenophobe, I don't remember exactly) by TheOther who's an Australian with German roots living in the US, who spent most of his life living in different countries and who isn't a racist nor a Pole. I've also seen you being criticised quite a few times by non-racist non-Poles on this forum. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to look in the mirror from time to time? Or are you just too perfect fot that? :)
Poles often are so complexed and paranoid (my husband was different...)
YES, I knew it! lol Your husband was "different", of course
:) Prejudiced people always say that, btw. "I have a black friend, but he's different, you know, and the rest of them... well... you know..." etc. :)
that they need to be reassured and to hear/read that Poland is the best country in the world, Poles are the nicest, best looking, most intelligent itd itd ... on the whole planet.
I'm sure there are Poles like that, but there's also the opposite side - Westerners for whom Poles just have to be the worst kind of people on the whole planet. I'm not kidding - the whole planet - it's like everything bad about humans is specific to Poles :)
Sorry, but outside of Poland and of Polonia, nobody knows about Poland and people abroad don't give a sh]]]t.
I know, I was told the same thing by Russian nationalists who seemed to be pretty obsessed with Poland and Poles and at the same time they claimed they don't give a sh1t :) ;)
Nevermind, I won't read any of your messages as I have no desire to cope with a hysterical "mal-ba....e." ;) do no need to talk to me. Case closed!
Well, you can bury your head in the sand if you wish, it's your choice, of course, if you prefer only to be patted on the back all the time and when people only agree with you, etc. But it's a public internet forum, so you must be prepared that people won't share your opinions, views, etc.
I also don't see anything "hysterical" about my post (feel free to quote the "hysterical" parts).
I won't comfort your paranoia (another trait among so MANY Poles)
Paranoia concerning what exactly?
Back to the topic please - common Polish character traits
Aren't we discussing just that - common Polish character traits (at least as viewed by InPolska)?
Why? I mean those opinions and post more often than not tell us more about that person than about the issue commented on.
I know, but I'm trying to make some people realise that they behave in the same way that racists, anti-Semites, etc. behave. That they're being hypocrites.
They accuse Poles of being "rude" because cashiers aren't smiling at them and at the same time - look at what they are writing about Poland and Poles behind their backs. I don't mean some founded criticism but the shear contempt verging sometimes on hate, some absoultely moronic generalisations like that "99% of Poles think that black people are apes". It's just mind-boggling for me.
I don't need their approval or they acceptance as a Pole.
Nor do I (not anymore, that is), I'm just trying to make some people look in the mirror.
What I find annoying is insecurity of some Polish people looking for askance and a pat on the back from some scrubby foreigner as if that have any significance.
Yes, me too, but that's changing, I think. I changed myself in that respect - after I actually got to know those foreigners and realised they are no better than Poles.
She (inPolska) does have a point! :D
I hope so, but we'll see about that :)
I doubt that there are many people out there who can accurately find and recognize an original trait of a nation basing it solely on a personal experience.
My thoughts exactly.
She's widowed, she's had cancer, cut her a bit of slack.
So when I'll start telling on a forum about my personal problems, including my health problems, I'll be cut a slack too? lol
I don't see how her loss of a husband (I guess it didn't happen yesterday, did it) or her past health problems justify her often outrageous behaviour on this forum? Noone forces her to come here and write ridiculous stuff like "99% of Poles think that black people are apes". Also, noone here seems to care much about what Poles have been through over the years when they're passing their judgements, etc. People don't cut any slack here, so why should we, right?
What I've learned on this forum about Westerners is that there's no point in being nice to them, you're just going to be considered "thin-skinned", "oversensitive", etc. So I use their ways in order to get to them - one has to simply "hammer" stuff into their heads, apparently :P
I even know someone who left Warsaw last year and who has cut most of his contacts in Warsaw...
Well, yes, it actually does make sense, especially if those were some loose contacts, acquaintances. Of course, the question is whether this happened suddenly or over a period of time, whether those people were close with each other, etc.
I found out (from people knowing him and me) that he had ceased his relationship with the guy he considered like his brother. Logical????
It depends on the circumstances. Did it happen suddenly or over a period of time? Plus, even brothers can fall out. There are members of family in this world that don't even speak to each other lol
And, OMG, not all relationships last forever. Sometimes they simply... end
Hel...., how long does it take to answer a message?
When you have many friends and acquaintances? Sometimes quite a bit :) But I think they were trying to be polite. What were they supposed to say? That they didn't answer because they didn't feel like it and they wanted you to leave them alone and stop bothering them?
Being insulted by trolls and other "mal-bai...s" won't change reality that MANY Poles are rude and not respectful of others.
Yes, yes, you've made it clear many times how superior you are to Poles and how proud of it you are lol You also seem to feel some great need to share those feelings of superiority and pride with us on this forum :)
Once I like someone, I am loyal for ever.... ;).
Are you saying that you're still loyal to your friends from kindergarten? ;D Come on...