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Angela Merkel is partially Polish. Her family name could be Kaźmierczak


Lyzko 45 | 9,346
22 Jun 2018 #31
Merkel's long since become a deficit, both to Germany along with her now most fractured party, and that's a fact!

@RichMazur, ugly??? Stupid???

She used to be cute as a button when up through her thirties, and she's a scientist by training. I think you mean "politically misguided. There I'm with you one-hundred percent.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,053
22 Jun 2018 #32
I call them as I see them.

For what she did to Europe, a Nuremberg-style trial and an execution would be justice. Was Hitler "politically misguided"? In his defense, Hitler was trully a mental case. She can't claim being mentally ill, which makes her worse now and for paving a path for Hitler 2.0 in the future. Hitler, to his credit, at least tried to do good things for Germany. Merkel can't even try to claim this high ground and say: I love Germany and those refugees are my expression of love for you, my beloved fatherland. He did, though, and I believe that the sob was sincere.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
22 Jun 2018 #33
In his defense, Hitler was trully a mental case.

How do you know? ;)

and for paving a path for Hitler 2.0 in the future.

Nah....the Nazis needed war to reach their goals. There will be no Hitler 2.0 in Europe anytime soon...just smartly dressed, smooth talking politicians with big promises and small solutions.

And yes, deciding one's worth on his/hers outwardly appereance is...well...even some of the Nuremburg judges had been some ugly shitfaces for sure!
Crow 155 | 9,025
22 Jun 2018 #34
In his defense, Hitler was trully a mental case.

He was pretty sane. Every conclusion suggests that he worked for western European and USA bankers of that time. Catholic and Protestant magnates. That phase of capitalism needed push and here comes Hitler. Its classical creating crisis example, experiments with public projects economy and production for army. Then, after the war was over, bankers secured restoration of Germany. WWII finally consolidated capitalism. Sure, Slavs were expendable, for all sorts of reasons. Jews also, for other reasons.

paving a path for Hitler 2.0 in the future

Yes, new Hitler is the plan and she doing it. He doing it for Germany and, for western Europe. They are together in this. They would consolidate western Europe over night. In one new `Cristal Night`. Muslim settlers would be partly exterminated and partly urgently assimilated. Plus, considering war that would occur, western Europe would appear as legitimate claimer on land of those ``Muslims who initiated problems``. So there would be `Drang Nach Desert and Mediterranean`. I mean, Muslims did initiated problems but those most radical Muslims today work for western European and USA secret services.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
23 Jun 2018 #36
So there would be `Drang Nach Desert and Mediterranean`

With what people and what army??? :):):)
Crow 155 | 9,025
23 Jun 2018 #37
What would be the objective?

I don`t wish to speculate. Don`t have enough information. But I may try to give you something on the base of what I know for certainty.

In Bosnia obviously, there was first and secondary objectives. First, when NATO with use of UN planes and ground vehicles transported Arab mujaheedines, objective was to exterminate Serbs, so you may say objective was genocide over people that is Slavic, isn`t Catholic, have different and ready to listen different sources of information (not just CNN, BBC, Deutsche Welle, etc). Secondary objective was obviously to change ethnic structure of population in the region. Genocide anyway lead to it but they also settled Arab mujaheedines in Bosnia, formed villages to them. There are videos on YouTube available to public on this, news articles.

Or, take whats going on in Albania. Why allow training of ISIS mujaheedine terrorists in NATO member Albania and then allow activities of those terrorists in Macedonia and Serbia (Kosovo). This is known to wide public and still, this exist.

With what people and what army??? :):):)

NATO or EU army if NATO (US) allow it.
mafketis 36 | 10,694
23 Jun 2018 #38
What does this to do the theory that she's Adolf Hitler's daughter? (nb I don't believe that, but it's an idea that some people have)
Crow 155 | 9,025
23 Jun 2018 #39
His daughter? It changes nothing. Project must go on in any case.

But her husband is influential Jew. Very influential. It also change nothing. Don`t change but suggest conclusion. Obviously, in order to survive, Jews accepted after-war (after WWII) re-distribution of wealth and control imposed by Catholic and Protestant magnates.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
23 Jun 2018 #40
Merkel Hitler's daughter? Her husband a jew?

What would I do without PF...dying dumb, that's what! :):):)
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,158
23 Jun 2018 #41
@BB
It sure has good entertainment value
Lyzko 45 | 9,346
23 Jun 2018 #42
@Bratwurst Boy,

"....nattily-dressed, smart-talking......with small solutions....."

Guess you mean Messrs/Mmes. Hoecke and Petry, huh? If so, then surprisingly enough, we agree!
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
23 Jun 2018 #43
Yeah...watching out, searching for the next frothing nutter with a mustache is just a red herring!
mafketis 36 | 10,694
23 Jun 2018 #44
Her husband a jew?

To be clear I don't believe the nutty AH theory but what does marrying a Jew have to do with anything? What about Elizabeth Schwarzkopf (born in wha'ts now Jarocin, Poland). She joined the Nazi party, sang concerts in a Nazi uniform during the war, never really denounced the Nazis and..... married a Jew after WWI (who happened to be in a position to help her career).
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
23 Jun 2018 #45
I'm not even sure where the info comes from that Merkels husband is a Jew at all...
Lyzko 45 | 9,346
23 Jun 2018 #46
While Merkel's husband was in fact a non-Jewish German, there IS a "Kasner" family line in Germany which is Jewish! Merkel though appears not to be related:-)
Crow 155 | 9,025
24 Jun 2018 #47
Merkel was twice married.
Lyzko 45 | 9,346
24 Jun 2018 #48
Should that really make a difference?
mafketis 36 | 10,694
24 Jun 2018 #49
No. She should leave/be forced from office. No person should be the head of state for over 10 years.
cms neuf 1 | 1,704
24 Jun 2018 #50
But they had a chance to force her from office a few months ago and people voted for her to stay
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
24 Jun 2018 #51
No. She should leave/be forced from office. No person should be the head of state for over 10 years.

Agreed! There is discussion in Germany about a by law limited term. No german chancellor looked good during his last long years in office, they all (Adenauer, Schmidt, Kohl) missed the right time to leave, in the end the country suffered for it.
mafketis 36 | 10,694
24 Jun 2018 #52
I read a casual comment that she's spent much of her time in office knocking off potential successors to secure her position and convince everyone there was no better option (not to mention her habit of destroying the careers of those dumb enough to try to be coalition partners).

She's no longer any kind of asset she's a liability and the longer she's in office the worse the transition will be for Germany (and by extension for Europe).

people voted for her to stay

Chancellors are not directly elected. And by this logic you're completely okay with Putin's and Erdogan's policies of becoming presidents for life. Term limits in functional countries help serve as reminders to the less functional
cms neuf 1 | 1,704
24 Jun 2018 #53
It is totally different from Erdogan and Putin - Germany has free elections and while not directly elected then the well educated voters have a good idea that she will end up in charge if they vote CDU - a Kaczynski/szydlo stunt would be unthinkable in Germany !

Just because the US has term limits it does not mean they are the only option
Crow 155 | 9,025
24 Jun 2018 #54
Should that really make a difference?

No, nor really.
Lyzko 45 | 9,346
24 Jun 2018 #55
Term limits are a problem, for if the head of state in question is doing a wonderful job, they should be allowed to continue! If not, then indeed their time in office should be curtailed as need be.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
24 Jun 2018 #56
they should be allowed to continue!

And who get's to decide?

In Merkel's case it's twice as complicated. She singlehandedly changed during her long years the once deeply conservative CDU to a rather left leaning party which now get's applause from voters who would otherwise vote SPD, Left or Green. Whereas the conservative voters are mostly left homeless (outside of Bavaria that is) or are now desperate enough for the rightist AfD.

And Mafketis is right, her way is littered by corpses, every possible successor got killed with a charming smile...so people still voted for her for fear what chaos might follow her once she is gone, not because they like what she did and does.

So...a vote for Merkel comes now either from the "wrong" side or is a sign of desperation...that doesn't mean she is doing a "wonderful" job. She will leave at the latest in three years, she will leave a country in political shambles.

That all could be already over by now had she decided last year not to stay for another term...she postponed the coming chaos, she isn't averting it.
Tacitus 2 | 1,354
24 Jun 2018 #57
every possible successor got killed with a charming smile

This is just one of the many-repeated myths about Merkel. She certainly failed - like every chancellor before her- to build up a suitable successor, but she is not exclusively to blame for this. It is for example not her fault that Guttenberg copied his dissertation from someone else, or that von der Leyen failed to live up to expectations. Most of her successors/rivals offed themselves.

There is discussion in Germany about a by law limited te

I hope this does not go through. We don't need term limits in a Parliamentary system which makes it possible for a chancellor to be removed by elections and through the parliament. The need for coalitions is a further check and balance system, because losing support of the coalition partner can also end a chancellor.

Merkel's third term is the best proof against this theory. The way she handled the Ukraine and Debt crisis was a masterstoke in diplomacy. I would not have wanted to have anyone else negotiating with Putin.
Tacitus 2 | 1,354
24 Jun 2018 #58
And by this logic you're completely okay with Putin's and Erdogan's policies of becoming presidents for life.

Sure, if the people kept voting for them in free and fair elections and if those had not changed the political system to gain power, then yes, there would be little to argue against their desire to stay in power. Especially in a decentralized political system where the influence of the federal government is limited to begin with.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,739
24 Jun 2018 #59
Merkel's third term is the best proof against this theory.

I disagree! She is the best proof FOR a limited term. When she bows out she will leave a devastated political landscape with a destroyed SPD, her CDU so far left that she nearly singlehandedly was the reason for the birth of a far right party trying to fill the vacuum she left behind, which grows in every survey.

The once stable, reliable political Germany...and I repeat...is in shambles!

The history books won't judge the Merkel-Republic to favorable.

I admit she is shining on the international chess field, but that is part of the weakness of fellow leaders and mainly, her main job is still Germany. I can see her having a future as a leader of the EU though...but that's not what she was voted into office for, that just shouldn't be her main interest as a german chancellor!
Tacitus 2 | 1,354
24 Jun 2018 #60
devastated political landscape with a destroyed SPD

The decline of the SPD can hardly be blamed solely on Merkel. Schröder's Agenda 2010, Lafontaine's personal vendetta and the incompetence of various SPD leaders are the main reason for the decline of the once great party. It is not the responsibility of any politician to ensure that their political opponent stays relevant or powerful.

birth of a far right party trying to fill the vacuum

The AfD has so far done very little to fill this "vacuum". They only stand for a resistance against the refugee policy, but when Weidel was recently asked in an interview regarding other topics, she merely stated that "the party still needs to decide on those issues." I doubt that they will reclaim much ground from the CDU here. Many "conservative" values are simply toxic for elections, because they are utterly out of touch with Germans.

, which grows in every survey

Thanks to the CSU. The truth is that the refugee crisis was calming down, and with it the AfD was stagnating, until Seehofer made it relevant again. It is insanity, really. We have so many more pressing issues, yet they decide to bring up this again. The emergence of a far-right wing party in Germany was always only a matter of time. All it needed was an excuse, and the refugee crisis delivered one. If not for that, something else would have come up. Germany is not immune to trends that have also happened in other countries.

Merkel-Republic to favorable.

We shall see. Though future historians will no doubt be baffled about how much the refugee crisis dominated European and German headlines compared to ttue scale of the problem. Nevertheless I am grateful that at very least, Merkel-Germany will serve as a shining contrast to the rest of Europe. Particulary the CDU owes a huge debt to Merkel. The CDU failed the last time when it came to making a tough, but in hindsight obbviously right decision when it opposed Brandt's Ostpolitik. At least now as a CDU member I won't have to look back in shame on history in 30 years from now.


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