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Eat goulash from a cat and a steak from a dog in Poland!


Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
22 Feb 2011 #31
Correct and using that logic many people will become rabbits, sorry vegetarians :)

No need to apologize, but some of us vegetarians are really more like bulls.
convex 20 | 3,978
22 Feb 2011 #32
Well...you can not really cuddle a pig, can't you?

Sure you can. They're very affectionate and love being around people. They make good pillows...and they're great in a smoker.

Back to TFA, this guy wants to use animals that are already being sentenced to death. What's the problem?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 Feb 2011 #33
you can not really cuddle a pig, can't you?

Many would say you can and go on about how intelligent the pig is.

In Norway they were selling t-shirts saying "intelligent people eat intelligent food" and petitions for killing the whale, which was a tad different from the "save the whale" petitions you get in Ireland.

So does this mean that stupid animals are somehow less and therefore edible?
puella 4 | 172
22 Feb 2011 #34
In Norway they were selling t-shirts saying "intelligent people eat intelligent food" and petitions for killing the whale

really?
Teffle 22 | 1,321
22 Feb 2011 #35
Rabbit is a good example - widely eaten but widely cuddled.
OP JaneDoe 5 | 114
22 Feb 2011 #36
Do you think that in today's world, in the time of processed food etc, we still must kill animals to survive and feed nations?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 Feb 2011 #37
really?

Yes, I was looking for it on google but can't find it.

Norwegians have been whaling for thousands of years, it did get completely out of hand in the 70's and certain whales were put on an endangered list and illegal to hunt but what I didn't know is that there are many different types of whales, most of which are not endangered at all (some argue they eat too many fish but meh)

Again it's a cultural thing.

Rabbit is a good example - widely eaten but widely cuddled.

ah but there seem to be two kinds of rabbit, those you cuddle and those you eat.
The cuddly ones are fluffier :)

And again, I would say for many, it is got to do with our detachment from the meat on our plate to the animal in the field.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525
22 Feb 2011 #38
Many would say you can and go on about how intelligent the pig is.

The intelligence quotient is not the same as the cuddleworthy factor but intelligent animals shouldn't be eaten in the first place in my opinion.

The moment one convinces me that my daily meat has self awareness and that they give each other names I will rethink my behavior.

timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article714144.ece

...The evidence suggests dolphins share the human ability to recognise themselves and other members of the same species as individuals with separate identities.
The research, on wild bottlenose dolphins, will lead to a reassessment of their intelligence and social complexity, raising moral questions over how they should be treated.

They shouldn't be kept in zoos and trained to make funny things for the public either once a certain IQ is measured...
sascha 1 | 826
22 Feb 2011 #39
No need to apologize

??

some of us vegetarians are really more like bulls

The story of the "forbidden fruit"?
Teffle 22 | 1,321
22 Feb 2011 #40
So who would eat e.g. dog or cat?

I'd try it.
puella 4 | 172
22 Feb 2011 #42
Norwegians have been whaling for thousands of years, it did get completely out of hand in the 70's and certain whales were put on an endangered list and illegal to hunt but what I didn't know is that there are many different types of whales, most of which are not endangered at all (some argue they eat too many fish but meh)

Again it's a cultural thing.

Whales are not only intelligent but can also sing... ;)

Btw. have you heard about eating dolphins? There is a documentary movie about it "The Cove". Fishermen were saying that's their right and tradition to kill and eat dolphins... but it turned out that the rest of Japan never heard about this "tradition"... and they were actually shocked to hear that the whale meat they buy in shops it's actually a dolphins meat ;/
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 Feb 2011 #43
So who would eat e.g. dog or cat?

Again for me it is not about eating a dead animal but how the animal lived that is important.

I have chickens in my garden, they have good chicken lives (I think) when they are dead (or me for that matter) it doesn't really matter, we won't feel anything or think anything, the important bit for me is life.

they were actually shocked to hear that the whale meat they buy in shops it's actually a dolphins meat

What is the difference in value between a whale and a dolphin that would make it ok to eat one but not the other?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
22 Feb 2011 #44
The story of the "forbidden fruit"?

No i mean that like the bull (a vegetarian animal) we are large, muscled and we charge.
youtube.com/watch?v=OGronVtmq-o
Teffle 22 | 1,321
22 Feb 2011 #45
Again for me it is not about eating a dead animal but how the animal lived that is important.

Yes, me too generally.

Having said that, not casting aspersions but I would *imagine* that the average purveyor of cat or dog, culturally, may not have had creature comfort as a high priority.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525
22 Feb 2011 #46
We might belong to one of the last generations who has to think these heavy thoughts anyhow.

It's becoming acute with fish already which will become a rare luxury in a few years and will spread on to many other food stuff we take for granted.

The industry will sell more and more faked stuff which only looks like the real thing but consists of godknowswhat...

The earth just can't keep up with feeding the many billions of people anymore..

So soon it's all artificial anyhow! No need to discuss the morals of the food anymore...
puella 4 | 172
22 Feb 2011 #47
What is the difference in value between a whale and a dolphin that would make it ok to eat one but not the other?

dolphin meat is toxic. It has high levels of mercury. Besides that the way of hunting dolphins is unethical (they are lured by ultrasounds to some cove and killed by men using spears... certainly they suffer a lot)
sascha 1 | 826
22 Feb 2011 #48
like the bull (a vegetarian animal) we are large, muscled and we charge

How is that possible with all that chlorophyll??
No need for real proteins?
Tried a period that stuff...uh...tasted after a while all the same. Couldn't imagine myself being a veggy.
Humans are omnivores.
Pinching Pete - | 558
22 Feb 2011 #49
It's becoming acute with fish already which will become a rare luxury in a few years

Well maybe.. there are salmon farms though. Hell, the Israelis are doing it in the desert, I'm sure N. Americans and Europeans can feed ourselves this way.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 Feb 2011 #50
The earth just can't keep up with feeding the many billions of people anymore..

I don't believe that is true, there is enough food for everyone the problem is not amount but is.

dolphin meat is toxic.

Are you sure?

the way of hunting dolphins is unethical

As oppose to the way they hunt whales?

Your argument doesn't have me convinced.

The moment one convinces me that my daily meat has self awareness and that they give each other names I will rethink my behavior.

Have a listen to this podcast from
WNYC's radiolab, it's very interesting.
radiolab.org/blogs/radiolab-blog/2010/oct/18/wild-talk
sascha 1 | 826
22 Feb 2011 #51
The industry will sell more and more faked stuff which only looks like the real thing but consists of godknowswhat...

Almost every big food producer has 'food designer' on pay roll ;)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 Feb 2011 #52
I read the other day that we now have the ability to synthesise any taste.
You could be eating broccoli that tastes exactly like chocolate chipped icecream :)

Truth is, we have always "designed" food,.
For thousands of years everything we grow has been chosen by us and bred/cross bred and interfered with by man, for the qualities we want, size, strength against disease, yield potential, taste etc...
sascha 1 | 826
22 Feb 2011 #53
Truth is, we have alway "designed" food,.

In a way yes, but the purpose was different. Now that genetics with intercrossing is at its limit we just reproduce in the lab. Spooky.

I read the other day that we now have the ability to synthesise any taste.

Worked once myself for one of the big food producer. After working in the lab it is hard to enjoy any kind of food if it's not 'home made'.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525
22 Feb 2011 #54
Yeah...I don't want to know what's innit...takes all the fun out of it!

I'm in denial!
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
22 Feb 2011 #55
The method that some use to slaughter dogs for human consumption is rather clever if also rather cruel. They starve the dog for a few days and then set a large bowl of uncooked rice before it. The dogs wolfs it all down and then the rice expands after absorbing the dog's gastric juices eventually causing the dogs stomach to burst killing it. Then its fur and viscera are removed and the dog is roasted and the people eat it and its rice stuffing. Man's "best friend" has saved the cook some labor by participating in its own preparation!
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 Feb 2011 #56
Now that genetics with intercrossing is at its limit we just reproduce in the lab.

We have been playing with genetics for thousands of years.
Bananas are small and have seeds in them but we don't like that, so we cross bred the bigger ones with the freaks that didn't have seeds.

This is just one example of most of the foods we eat today having been modified to meet our needs, if the lab is inside or out, it's still the same.

The amazing thing of course is that bananas have seeds in them to reproduce but the seedless ones are obviously being grown more by humans, making the seedless ones the evolutionary winner.

The dogs wolfs it all down and then the rice expands after absorbing the dog's gastric juices eventually causing the dogs stomach to burst killing it.

Nasty way to go.
I remember people stopped throwing rice at weddings for fear of doing something similar to pigeons.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,525
22 Feb 2011 #57
So it is a cultural thing in the end?

At one side wanting to save pigeons from a cruel rice-death on the other side a preferred method to get a nice rice-dog meal without any scruples...
puella 4 | 172
22 Feb 2011 #58
Are you sure?

It's the last-link-of-the-food-chain effect. They cumulate all toxic elements.

As oppose to the way they hunt whales?

Your argument doesn't have me convinced.

I'm not trying to convince you.
If you are intrested in this subject you may watch the movie on YT. I've never was an animal right activist or anything like that but the movie was quite intresting even to me (also as a portrait of the animal right activists who seems to be a little weird people sometimes). I don't say it will change your mind but still anyone can learn something intresting about the problem.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 Feb 2011 #59
So it is a cultural thing in the end?

I really do think so, a dog or a cow, a whale or a dolphin.
Some countries have the cow as a sacred animal and you can go to prison for killiing one, while others....Bratwurst :)

It's the last-link-of-the-food-chain effect. They cumulate all toxic elements.

Dolpins are not the last link in a food chain.
Edit*
I found something Human health risks

The chief of the NIMD, Koji Okamoto, said, "We presume that the high mercury concentrations are due to the intake of dolphin and whale meat...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_drive_hunting#Human_health_risks

I'm not trying to convince you.

I mean that I don't think you are correct about dolphins, it appears to be an environmental issue effecting fish and whales in the area not just dolphins.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
22 Feb 2011 #60
It is true that Dolphns as well as larger fish, like swordfish, often do have toxic levels of mercury in their systems because they are at the top of a food chain in which mercury is more and more concentrated in the bodies of bigger fish eating smaller fish. Most whales feed on plankton rather than fish, and thus they have far lower levels of mercury. Mercury in the seas is a result of the smoke unleashed by burning coal.


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