Are you kissing me? Just because some traditions didn't make it to your house gives you no right to say Pawian's traditions are bastardiEd. Ryan po Zydowsku is well known in Poland and served in many houses
Pollack fish have become very popular in Poland instead of using carp in Polish Christmas recipes. Just be careful not to overcook it as it is a very delicate fish.
And yes Joker, you are definitely uncultured.
Only uncultured people still have a bathtub in this day and age.
is an awful fish, I wouldn't eat it even if they would pay me to do it.
I love fried carp. I've been having it on every Christmas Eve supper in recent years. It has a very tender, delicate, tasty meat and wonderful crispy skin when fried. Yum! :d I only get Royal Carp though. When bred properly it has barely any of that silty taste.
I can recommend fresh, local carp served in Wilczyniec Inn (Zajazd "Wilczyniec") in Śladków Mały in świętokrzyskie region (in case anyone would drive that way) - very good with no silty taste whatsoever, as far as I can remember :):
When they brought it to one shop in Kielce (that carp from Śladków Mały) even my brother ate it, even though he didn't like carp in the past :)
Your traditions are not the ones I was brought up wirh. I suspect that your traditions are somewhat bastardized!
Milo, you were brought up abroad, not in Poland. Pawian's traditions are the same as of many other Poles who were brought up in Poland. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Gefilte fish (karp po żydowsku) is a traditional Polish Christmas Eve fish.
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Are you turning into another johnny_reb, Joker?
Btw, my family doesn't keep carp in the bath tub anymore. Nowadays we simply buy already dead ones at fishmongers. We did keep carp in the bath tub before Christmas Eve when I was a kid. For kids it was fun - we could touch the fish and we would feed it with bread crumbs lol
@Kashub1410, you don't have to like all the Christmas Eve dishes ;) I don't like all of them either. And people have different tastes. For example, I love herrings in oil with onion, but I wouldn't touch herrings in vinegar - I hate them. My cousin from Wrocław eats only those in vinegar and so my grandma prepares also those in vinegar only for her.
impression of eating a lake
As I wrote, those I buy have barely any such taste at all (and I don't mind it when they have a bit of that taste - this taste makes it a bit different from other fish and I like it). And I think the one from Śladków Mały didn't have such taste at all.
Isn't excactly my idea of Christmas
Well, a fried carp was a traditional Christmas Eve dish in my family when I was a kid, so for me it's exactly my idea of Christmas :)))
I would rather keep the fish in the bathtub and clean it than eat it as it was.
As far as I remember, from what I've read in one article, carp should be put in a container with clean, fresh water before being sold and fed there for a while in order for it's body to be rid of that muddy taste. I'm guessing this is why people were keeping carp in bath tubs filled with clean water before Christmas in the past.
No, you aren`t. Joker is a regular American without concrete descent who only has a Polish wife while you are first generation offspring of post WW2 Polish immigrants into Britain. Simple.
a recipe for karp po żydowsku in French (Carpe à la Juive)
Very good. There are a few carp ala Jewish recipes. The one that I use, in sweet sauce with almonds and raisins, is popular in Lesser Poland region. That is why I wrote:
Carp ala Polish Jewish.
Just because some traditions didn't make it to your house gives you no right to say Pawian's traditions are bastardiEd
:):):) Exactly. AmaSSing those guys don`t comprehend such basic things.
and served in many houses
But eaten by mature Poles mostly. When I was a boy, I hated even looking at the content of the plate. Those boiled heads looked terrifying to me, with those empty dead eyes. Brrrrrr......
After decades I decided to check out why my parents had been so fascinated with the dish. And I discovered sth delicious. I hope my kids will continue the tradition one day coz today they abhor it like I did in the past.
gives you no right to say Pawian's traditions are bastardiEd
But it is basterdized. This is not Polish cuisine.
Ryan po Zydowsku is well known in Poland and served in many houses
That may be so.But this is not Polish food. Listen, I accept that the Jewish influence on Poland has been quite great, especially in cuisine.Although it mainly worked in one direction, Jews did not adopt much Polish cuisine.
Having said that, I think Jewish cuisine is superb. I remember reading advice to Polish travellers many years go that said, if you can't find Polish food, eat Jewish, not only is it good food, but because of how careful Jews are in food preparation, it is safe.
But the point remains. Pawian depicting these dishes as Polish is just a lie.
Darling, what do you know about Poland as the crossroads of cultures??? Nothing, it seems. It is a problem coz it means you are impervious to knowledge, hanging around here and other Polish fora you still know nothing. :):):)
But the point remains.
That you are a troll critisizing Polish cuisine. Simple. :):)
. It isn't a lie. Karp po żydowsku has become part of Polish cuisine,
Accepted by some as Polish cuisine. But it is not Polish...... You can turn it around as much as you want, but this is Jewish cuisine. I'm fine with that. Even Polish Jewish cuisine. But don't try to tell me that the pics Pawian posted were of traditional Polish food.
Accepted by some as Polish cuisine. But it is not Polish......
Being a Brit by birth, rearing and education, your judgement on what is or isn`t Polish cuisine verges on ridiculous. :):):)
traditional Polish food.
Darling, traditional Polish food was in 10th century when Poland was baptised. Later, through contacts with the West and East, we acquired versatile cuisine which now, in early 21st century, is considered Polish.
Stop this infantile trolling coz it is useless. :):):)
But don't try to tell me that the pics Pawian posted were of traditional Polish food.
Milo, yes, karp po żydowsku has become traditional Polish food. Polish Christmas Eve dishes are the essence of Polish culinary tradition. And karp po żydowsku is one of those dishes:
"Karpia po żydowsku można zaliczyć do jednego z najbardziej popularnych dań świątecznych w Polsce, które jest przyrządzane przez polskich katolików."
My translation:
"Karp po żydowsku can be counted among one of the most popular Christmas dishes in Poland that are being prepared by Polish Catholics."
culture.pl/en/work/polish-food-101-carp
"During the 19th century, the carps were baked in white sauce, or fishballs were made with carp meat, or it was served "the Jewish way", as well as served in gray gravy (which is also a classic nowadays). There was really a multitude of recipes."
Yes, this dish has Jewish roots. It's both Jewish and Polish, because Jews have lived for so long in Poland that this dish has become part of Polish cuisine also.
As for your remarks concerning pawian's pics and that pawian's traditions "are not the ones you were brought up with"...
First of all, there are at least two different recipes that are known as "karp po żydowsku" in Poland. And different families may prepare them in slightly different ways.
All of those photos are "karp po żydowsku" taken from Polish sites with recipes:
Secondly, Polish culinary traditions vary in different regions of Poland. They may even vary among different families in a given region. I also wasn't brought up with all the traditions and food that are considered traditional Polish dishes, because some of them are characteristic for certain regions in Poland or are more popular in there or simply because my family wasn't making this particular dish. For example, kutia is considered to be a traditional Polish Christmas Eve dish, but I've never even tried it, because it's more popular in the East of Poland.
I'd never say, however, that it isn't "traditional Polish food" just because it isn't being eaten in my family. Or that Silesian dumplings (kluski śląskie), for example, aren't "traditional Polish food" just because they don't come from my region. 🙄
Have you been brought up eating kutia at Christmas Eve supper, Milo?:
Being a Brit by birth, rearing and education, your judgement on what is or isn`t Polish cuisine verges on ridiculous.
That is your misjudgment. Maybe The Poles.that left Poland during the war were a bit more Polish than your parents......
Milo, yes, karp po żydowsku has become traditional Polish food
That's as maybe. But it is still not Polish Cuisine.
@Paulina You make some very good points as you always do. But I am sorry, Polish Jewish cuisine, for me, is just that. Very good food but Polish Jewish. Not Polish.
Sorry @Miloslaw but you are wrong. Karp po żydowsku is Polish
That's like saying that some Indian Currys are traditional British cuisine, because they were invented in Britain! Yes they may be part of our current cuisine, but, just like the Jewish food, they are not traditional. Do you really not see the subtle difference?
@Miloslaw - subtle difference.... Karp po żydowsku is a usage name not trademark. The same pizza po amerykańsku (on thick dough), hamburger or berliner. Besides, it is unknown whether karp po żydowsku (just like in Poland prepared) is really kosher. If not, it is not Jewish.
