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Atch 17 | 4,043
20 Apr 2017 #181
Only three members? It's wall to wall agendas around here. But to be honest Spiritus, who cares? I mean really so what, if they are trying to provoke people. There's no point in speculating on their motvies. We're all ultimately responsible for ourselves and the content of our posts. It's so childish to blame somebody else if you get banned 'he made me say it teacher' 'it's his fault'.
peterweg 37 | 2,320
20 Apr 2017 #182
I'm thinking it's maybe like (w ank er) or spaz - offensive in the UK (maybe more) but not really used seriously as a word of abuse in the US.

Wog is more offensive than N***er, you would never find it used as a term of self description.
peterweg 37 | 2,320
20 Apr 2017 #183
The proportion of possibly offensive terms against Polish people vs non-Polish people is about 6 to 1.

Thats another issue, this forum is full of anti-Polish bile. I don't see how that justifies the rest of the stuff that goes on - PF simply provides a platform for anti-Polish racists and every other type. of racist in an 'anything goes' attitude.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,070
20 Apr 2017 #184
Harry's idea..

I propose that you may consider a trial whereby Harry and Delph trial their own proposed rules for six months. Without them baiting other members you will most likely see a reduction of tit for tat offensive postings, and may not see the need to extend the rule any further.

Of course there will always be the random looney poster who will need to be dealt with but in general the moderators handle these things well enough.
OP Harry
20 Apr 2017 #185
I propose that you may consider a trial whereby Harry and Delph trial their own proposed rules for six months.

Quote me racially abusing somebody here and I may very well agree with your proposal.

I'd also challenge you to quote me abusing anybody at all other than in response similar from them, but we both know that in reality you're just going to make a pathetic excuse not to quote me at all.

Honestly another really good new rule would be a ban on telling lies about other posters. If a poster wants to claim something about another poster, they need to be able to produce quotes to support that claim; if they can't, they get one warning and the next time they get a one-week ban (I'd be happy for that to be a two-week ban in my case).
Ironside 51 | 11,338
20 Apr 2017 #186
Quote me racially abusing somebody

You're walking and talking abuse - you commie radical. Stop your BS Harry and this place will improve considerably.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,070
20 Apr 2017 #187
I while I am at it I would like to propose a addition to the current warning system B for baiting.

This would apply to users who are deliberately trying to goad or provoke users into an argument which can very typically lead to some unfortunate use of words , foul language or racist or religious expletives ,that the victim would not stoop down to under normal circumstances.

We all know the players of this game here.
Admin 32 | 1,530 Administrator
20 Apr 2017 #188
propose a addition to the current warning system B for baiting.

That's a good idea - B (Baiting other posters) is now added to the Warning options.
OP Harry
20 Apr 2017 #189
B (Baiting other posters)

Does baiting including making entirely untrue allegations about a poster and then refusing to substantiate said allegations when asked to do so, i.e.exactly what Dolno has done above?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
20 Apr 2017 #190
Can I suggest that warnings should also apply to the bin from this moment onwards?
OP Harry
21 Apr 2017 #191
B (Baiting other posters) is now added to the Warning options.

Is hilariously mis-spelling another poster's name baiting or just breaking the existing rule against mis-spelling posters' names or both? Or is it neither depending on who is doing it, i.e. 100% acceptable when done by some posters and an immediate ban when done by others?
johnny reb 35 | 7,335
21 Apr 2017 #192
How about adding a 'C' for anyone that Cries day after day or an 'S' for a Snitch ?
Soon it would be more kindergarten then it is now.
A simple P.M. to the trouble maker from the Admin. saying cool your abuse because next time you are going on a vacation for 30 days AND THEN STICKING TO IT !

A B C's are for children (and the mentally disabled) and I would like to think of us as responsible adults.
OP Harry
21 Apr 2017 #193
I while I am at it I would like to propose a addition to the current warning system B for baiting.

Dolno, given that you proposed it, perhaps you could advise as to whether the below is what you were talking about when you asked for a B warning?

Arrogant, Anglo-jabbering chauvinistic expats who hate Poland and everything about it (except as a victim of their exploitation and abuse) should be deported. No, wait, chemically castrated would be better!

If it isn't what you were talking about, could you tell us why posts such as the one above are acceptable?

AND THEN STICKING TO IT !

You're almost right there. What really needs to happen is for the Admin and the mods to set out the rules and then stick to those rules, no matter who posts whatever. Either there are no rules, in which scenario the forum would take care of itself after a while as people would eventually learn that no matter how unpleasant they are, there's always somebody who can be more unpleasant (and that person would quickly learn that there are laws about what one can say and those laws are enforced, at least one person has already learned that as a result of PF posts), or there are rules and those rules are enforced. The current 'system' where certain posts are accepted from some people but not from others is what is really killing this forum.
TheOther 6 | 3,692
21 Apr 2017 #194
A B C's are for children

Thank you! I agree. These "grades" don't make any sense if the Admin takes his "every opinion counts" approach serious. So it's up to the mods now to decide what constitutes a punishable "opinion" and what not? There goes your free speech - if you really want it, warts and all. I vote for "No rules" as in "No Rules Parmesan Pasta"... :)
Chemikiem
21 Apr 2017 #195
I don't think it matters what anyone says regarding the state of the forum. Freedom of speech seems to be the only important thing, even to the extent that grievances have been allowed to fester to the point that members have had their employers contacted and business slated online by other members. Had warnings been properly imposed and abusive posts removed at the start, I doubt it would have come to that. Of course Admin cannot be held personally responsible for the actions of some posters, but I wonder why the abuse and insults were allowed to get to that stage in the first place.

The warning system is only ever going to be effective if it is applied across the board, most of the abuse is in random and off-topic threads where it seems that members can say exactly what they like to each other. Either apply it or scrap it, otherwise it's pointless. Although we all have to respect that this is Admin's forum, the fact remains that it is a two-way street and were it not for the very small base of regular posters here making contributions, this forum would be as dead as ATP. I wonder why then, that when members make valid complaints, they are attacked rather than actually being listened to.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,070
21 Apr 2017 #196
could advise as to whether the below is what you were talking about when you asked for a B warning?

For once and once only I will try and explain what I see as the root cause of the polly outburst and the need for B for baiting.

Mods could you pleas bear with me I need to repost Delphs post as evidence to my point .

Delph said

SICK CHILD MOLESTING PAEDO IN PiS?!

Poland was shocked recently to discover that a member of PiS has been accused of being a nonce. Jacek Świat, from Wrocław, has been accused of molesting a 8 year old boy by the father of the child.

natemat.pl/205853,super-express-posel-pis-jacek-swiat-molestowal-8-letniego-chlopca-parlamentarzyste-oskarza-ojciec-chlopca

One can only hope that should the accusations be proven in a court of law, Mr Świat will be chemically castrated in accordance with the law that the best ever Prime Minister, Donald Tusk introduced.

Tomorrow: find out more about how PiS and "family values" actually mean depravity, disgusting behaviour and downright evilness.

Now delph has every right to discuss news events and alledged crimes of politicians, but his final paragraph was in fact inflamatory and meant to inflame those who support the PIS party by infering that the alleged crime is somehow linked to policy or its supporters . As we all know many political arties have had their criminal element.

If you read pollys rant he mentions the castration element in it , which has its root in Delphs post.

All said I see Delphs final paragraph.

"Tomorrow: find out more about how PiS and "family values" actually mean depravity, disgusting behaviour and downright evilness."

as inflamatory and a candidate for B for baiting directed at PIS supporters on the forum .
Tlum 11 | 194
21 Apr 2017 #197
Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. This classic style of online posting is a dying breed.

Do you mean social media like Facebook, a data-mining, thought-control / the CCA /Central Censorship Agency/ where all users actions (starting from the way they move their cursor, ending with tracking your precise physical movement and login locations) are constantly tracked and profiled? With Facebook or other corporate social media sites, when you contact a 'suspicious person' or a 'suspicious person' contacts you - even by mistake - you automatically (and indefinitely) become a suspect because you've been in contact with them. It's Orwell 101. And how about 'smart censorship' - you post a message or share a link and you're the only one who can see it (for you it appears that everybody else can see it but it's just a way to trick you); you may even receive a robo-response like 'Thanks for sharing' / 'I like this!' that appear to be from your 'friends' but they are all fake too.

The good thing is, Facebook, Reddit and others are the litmus test, a self-evaluation tool - if you use it, you don't want to be free and prefer others to think for you. PF and other good forums don't need such users anyway, so there's nothing lost there :)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
21 Apr 2017 #198
as inflamatory and a candidate for B for baiting directed at PIS supporters on the forum .

It was actually parody, as Polly has a habit of reporting news in exactly that manner.

And actually, although I didn't have time to post it, it was directly connected to the news of how a PiS member has been beating the hell out of his wife and remains a Party member. Calling it depraved, disgusting and downright evil is exactly what it is.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,070
21 Apr 2017 #199
Calling it depraved, disgusting and downright evil is exactly what it is.

No your exact quote was
how PiS and "family values" actually mean depravity, disgusting behaviour and downright evilness."

You pointed to the party and not the accused individual. hence the potential to incite PIS supporters who have no connection to the alleged crime, your comment infers that PIS supporters are depraved,disgusting and evil.

And in any case note that I said candidate for warning, there are mods here who are qualified and experienced to make the decisions, but from my point of view I see this post as the root cause of the polly rant.
johnny reb 35 | 7,335
21 Apr 2017 #200
I wonder why the abuse and insults were allowed to get to that stage in the first place.

One poster Pam, one poster that crossed the line with filthy posts to intentionally provoke other members.
This has been going on for the last ten years even after he has been banned several times for it.
And when he started getting back the same abuse that he was dishing out he couldn't handle it so he posted a members real identity with picture.

In doing that it pushed it to the next level of o.k., you want to get dirty then we will show you what dirty is which ended up with the provoking troll losing his job over it.

And the worst part is that this troll still doesn't get it that one of these days he may provoke the wrong person who may just walk up to him and lay him out cold on the street for running his cute mouth causing him major medical.

It's no secret what his real name is or the address he lives at.

. Had warnings been properly imposed and abusive posts removed at the start, I doubt it would have come to that.

Oh they were Pam but every time he was allowed back it wasn't two days and he was right back to his old ways.

It was very peaceful here without him if you noticed.
The only way to solve this rule problem is to ban trolls like him PERMANENTLY.
Strike three you are out of here no matter how much traffic you generate sitting here all day every day posting.
There use to be a rule about no ganging up on a member with abuse....remember that one ?
What ever happened to that rule.
And weren't we told if we wanted to abuse another member to do it in a PM and not out on the board with our pointless insulting chit chat ?

What happened with that ?
One member Pam, one member, even if he is your blood brother.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,347
21 Apr 2017 #201
how a PiS member has been beating the hell out of his wife and remains a Party member.

He is no longer the member of the party (since March). Also, he has resigned from being a PiS councellor in Bydgoszcz after another councillor put a pair of boxing gloves on his chair. After the wife published a half-an-hour video on the net illustrating his behaviour, he is finished, I think. Even despite publicly apologizing to his wife on TVN24 today.

Calling it depraved, disgusting and downright evil is exactly what it is.

With that I may wholeheartedly concur.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
21 Apr 2017 #202
Thank you Ziemowit, I didn't realise that he had resigned as a councillor there. Wasn't he also the one that made a fool out of himself when Robert Biedroń came to Bydgoszcz?
OP Harry
21 Apr 2017 #203
For once and once only I will try and explain what I see as the root cause of the polly outburst

The root cause is that he's allowed to get away with abusing posters and is secure in the knowledge that any mirror-image abuse directed at him would result in a ban.

Anyway, how about you explain why the abuse he so loves to post is perfectly acceptable but mirror-image posts directed at him should result in a ban? Or will I be waiting as long for that as I am for you to post examples of me being racist and/or abusing people who haven't already done likewise to me.

It's no secret what his real name is or the address he lives at.

So go on then, big man, for once do something instead of just fantasizing about it (please note that I'm not taking about girls and their "racing hormones").
dolnoslask 6 | 3,070
21 Apr 2017 #204
I am for you to post examples of me being

You are a AQTT I am wary of engaging you or making any responce to your questions.

as I said in my earlier post "For once and once only I will try and explain "

how about you explain why the abuse he so loves to post is perfectly acceptable

It is not for the likes of you and I to decide on what is acceptable on this forum it is for the Admin and the moderators.

Of course our input is valued and considered, and sometimes forum format and rules are changed as a result.
OP Harry
21 Apr 2017 #205
You are a AQTT I am wary of engaging you

I didn't ask you to engage with me, I asked if you could quote me saying things which substantiate your claims about me. You clearly know you can't quote me saying such things, so instead you want to talk about other things.

Admin: may I suggest that there is a new warning code: L. Any poster who makes any claim about any other poster which they can't show to be true gets an L. Or is lying about posters already covered by the new B? It's hard to tell, given that to you the below is neither baiting nor trolling nor abuse:

Arrogant, Anglo-jabbering chauvinistic expats who hate Poland and everything about it (except as a victim of their exploitation and abuse) should be deported. No, wait, chemically castrated would be better!

johnny reb 35 | 7,335
22 Apr 2017 #206
Any poster who makes any claim about any other poster which they can't show to be true gets an L.

Careful Snow White...remember this lie you posted about me about forty times until the mods finally chimed in to shut you up by telling you that you were TOTALLY WRONG about your abusive lie ?

the user who now posts under the name Johnny Reb has also posted under a number of other usernames ... It's all quite sad really.

Yes it was very sad to be forced to listen to your obsessive compulsive disorder lie over and over and over.
And no matter how many times you told it it still did not become true did it.
Perhaps you should clean up your own back yard first before you start suggesting we add more letters like "L" that you are so notorious for.
OP Harry
22 Apr 2017 #207
remember this lie you posted about me about forty times until the mods finally chimed in to shut you up by telling you that you were TOTALLY WRONG

Good to see johnny getting his first L of the day in nice and early. For those who have forgotten, johnny posted to boast about how much he enjoyed abusing a female former mod. The problem for johnny is that johnny forgot that that mod stopped being a mod before johnny registered his current username. The problem for PF is when a person doesn't get a permanent ban for boasting about how much he enjoyed sending sexist abuse to a mod it is clear that almost all types of vile behaviour are accepted here. It sets the tone and does so in a most unpleasant way.
Wulkan - | 3,243
22 Apr 2017 #208
I propose that you may consider a trial whereby Harry and Delph trial their own proposed rules for six months.

Indeed, whenever them two are not around this forum becomes a better place, more attractive for potential new members, even jon starts behaving himself.

That's a good idea - B (Baiting other posters) is now added to the Warning options.

That's great! good job
johnny reb 35 | 7,335
22 Apr 2017 #209
Oh good grief, I am being baited to defend myself yet again. lol
Harry you truly are the number one master baiter here.
(Now you have two "B's" and two "L's" in one day already)

Good to see johnny getting his first L of the day in nice and early

Actually it is YOU who got the first L and then you double down to get your second L of the day.
The first L you got was this one:

Johnny Reb is a sad person pretending to be a teenage girl and then pretending to be her father.

That was your first lie when the mods pointed out to you that I was not Amanda the teenage girl nor did I post as her father.

Your second lie today is:

For those who have forgotten, johnny posted to boast about how much he enjoyed abusing a female former mod.

If it wasn't for him writing about it and then you reminding about it I couldn't think of a single abuse that stood out.

If she couldn't remember anything that stood out and I made her laugh then I guess it wasn't 'abuse' but more like YOU sensationalizing it into another one of your LIES.

Now my guess is that now you have been made out to be a liar twice in one day is that you still will refuse to admit that you have been caught in two bold face lies.

(Harry AQTTLBLB) with so many suspensions we have lost count.
Now grab hold of yourself and start playing nice or get the hell out of here because you are driving eveybody NUTS !
spiritus 69 | 666
22 Apr 2017 #210
It's like a kindergarten in here at times.

The Admin chooses the rules.

They decide who gets a warning and who doesn't.

They decide who gets banned and who doesn't.

We may disagree with them but ultimately it's their forum and we have a choice to either accept the forum as it is or simply walk away. In my experience every forum operates the same way. Why have some of us got lulled into thinking that a forum is a democracy is beyond me.

If you're really unhappy with the forum then stop visiting it.

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