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delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
18 Apr 2017 #121
I just wonder how long certain posters would carry on here with such a rule. I certainly would, I imagine posters like you, Jon, TheOther, Dominic, Mafketis, Lenka and Lzyko would - but I have my severe doubts about some other posters who seem to spend their entire time insulting others and talking about Muslims.

I (somewhat) agree with the Admin that defining racism can be tricky, but there can be no doubt about off-topic posts aimed at other posters.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
18 Apr 2017 #122
OK, another one to add to the list:

polishforums.com/news/poland-tesco-zabka-biedronka-77967/2/#msg1589904

It's irrelevant to culturally and spiritually alien expats who can be likened to a foreign toxic and parasitic growth on the healthy body of the Polish nation.

It's completely off-topic and abusive towards posters. If you started banning people on sight for a week for making such posts, I dare say these type of posts simply wouldn't be posted.
jon357 70 | 19,568
18 Apr 2017 #123
abusive

Very much so.
OP Harry
18 Apr 2017 #124
I have my severe doubts about some other posters who seem to spend their entire time insulting others and talking about Muslims.

Presumably they could just join in with the insulting of "heathen liberals" which appears to be entirely acceptable here.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
18 Apr 2017 #125
Another one here: polishforums.com/news/poland-post-election-political-scene-76400/86/#msg1589910

Does this actually make sense to anyone at all? Who is "tricky Don" and what is "Gornkowiec"?
peterweg 37 | 2,319
18 Apr 2017 #126
P3 is protected, he can post any drivel he likes because he is family.

On the other hand, anonymous posters can do the same. Why are they allowed, its nuts.
johnny reb 32 | 6,837
18 Apr 2017 #127
Presumably they could just join in with the insulting of "heathen liberals" which appears to be entirely acceptable here.

Oh Hell Harry, look at just one of many that you posted which was found to be acceptable here.

because secretly you're a Jewish faggot

Perhaps you would like to explain to us which rules you broke when you posted that Mr. Snow White.
(I detected a Racist and Homophobic and Abuse)
Bieganski 17 | 896
18 Apr 2017 #128
Indeed.

The sanctimonious hypocrisy on display in this thread over the past couple of days has at the very least been amusing.

PF has almost resembled an irreverent church with all the plaster saints stepping forward and piously dispensing their dishonesty.

We've seen objections being made regarding unspecified racist and sexist comments. But it was only a couple of years ago there were some truly odious posters on here who routinely and blatantly objectified Polish women as essentially nymphomaniacs who craved to be with male sex tourists from the the third world because Polish men were inadequate.

Did these same lecturing voices speaking up today condemn these remarks back then and call for the trolls who made them to be banned? Nope.

They were either silent or at best shrugged with a "to each their own" kind of response. Such two-faced tolerance.

And naturally we have the notorious, serially suspended, abusive, off-topic driving trolls feigning exasperation at what they are deliberately mischaracterizing as abusive and off-topic posts made by other posters (i.e., completely valid on-topic posts which they personally hate because they either negate their double-standard agenda or they simply don't chime with their warped ideological narrative).

Did you know that one of these trolls actually put his name forward once to be a Moderator on here? It's true! He arrogantly stated that he was the best qualified too. I remember it well because he was handed out one of his longest suspension to date not long afterwards. He never got the Mod job either. LOL! That was certainly one for the history books!

Yep, not credible back then and certainly not credible now.
Admin 32 | 1,530 Administrator
18 Apr 2017 #129
You wanted examples of racism you got them.

Nope - I got general statements and no real-life examples. IF I understand correctly, whenever someone doesn't approve with someone else's actions, it is racism?

I asked you - if you hate it here, WHY you keep coming back, year after year? Let me present a diagnosis: you come here for real life. You've tried 'other Poland / Polish forums' or Facebook, but when you realized half of the posts are boring or untruthful, 30% are posted by people who try to conform to the fake reality, and the rest are censored, you decided you'd rather stay here. But, at the same time, you're trying to force your crooked way of life instead of respecting posters who don't pretend to be what they are not.

Since day one, we've always welcomed posters from all countries, races, religions, and backgrounds. By trying to find racism in everything, YOU ARE THE QUEEN OF RACISM. You're like one of those white old-fashioned ladies who would act differently, unnaturally-sweet when a man or woman of color suddenly shows up. You are the person who deep-inside ASSUMES that people of color need special attention or treatment. They do not - they are as naturally capable and intelligent humans as white people are and by trying to 'protect' them you are telling them that they may be inferior. They are not, so why don't you be yourself and STOP judging people by their races or cultures. Will you.

This classic style of online posting is a dying breed.

Are the independent news a dying breed too; probably not.

The post here has nothing to do with the topic.

If a post is related to Poland, it's always considered on-topic (even if the original topic is not-Poland related).
peterweg 37 | 2,319
19 Apr 2017 #130
I asked you - if you hate it here, WHY you keep coming back, year after year?

A handful of posters do, but how many have left this site because of its unpleasant nature? The most most prolific posters are trolls in one shape or another.

If a post is related to Poland, it's always considered on-topic .

And Serbia.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,311
19 Apr 2017 #131
And Serbia.

And what do you have against Serbia? Serbia is a nice and friendly country towards Poland. True, Serbia has made a lot of mistakes, but then who doesn't?
Lenka 3 | 2,697
19 Apr 2017 #132
Wow! Just wow! You assume a lot!

For a start let me tell you that it's quite amazing that from my six post in this thread containing over 2 thousands words on different subjects you chose to focus on 9 sentences from 2 of them. But let that be so.

You want to tell me that attacking someone for being in a mixed race relationship (nothing else just that) or being a kid of a mixed race is not racist? That claiming that black and Asian ppl are stupid/ can't work etc .is not racist? If negatively stereotyping a race is not racist than what is? I never said PF didn't welcome ppl of different races, religions etc but that we have posters (admittedly usually guests) that will attack based solely on the person religion/race. Maybe we can hear your definition? After all that's what matters since you are the one making the rules

And I don't think ppl of different races need extra protection but I also don't think they should be attacked for being of different race. Silly idea, right?

BTW- I really have no problems with my eyesight so as sweet as it was of you to address me in bold capitals you don't have to strain yourself.

Now to the bit more serious part:
Who told you I hate it here? I have big sentiment for PF and even bigger for few ppl on here. That's why I even bothered to post on this thread. And who told you I don't take part in different discussions about Poland and that I found them untruthful?

But you are right- maybe it's time for me to think about leaving this forum and stick to my 'crooked ways of life' where ppl discuss instead of offending each other like so many did before me.
OP Harry
19 Apr 2017 #133
YOU ARE THE QUEEN OF RACISM.

Wow, so instead of trying to do something about problems which have been pointed out to you and which are obvious to even the most casual of visitors (and which you clearly are aware of, hence your autobanning of words such as n*gger), you decide to just insult one of your best posters and most certainly the best mod you've ever had.

if you hate it here, WHY you keep coming back

Speaking for myself rather than Lenka, I come back because I hate the idea that people might think that Poland itself is anything like PF. Poland isn't just racist trolls attacking liberal heathen and spitting vitriol at anybody who wants Poland to be a better place. But it may well be time to just abandon any efforts to present the better face of Poland, it's getting pretty much clear to all that no European country could be as vile as PF has become.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,311
19 Apr 2017 #134
you decide to just insult one of your best posters and most certainly the best mod you've ever had.

Now, if Harry labels someone as above, there must certainly be something wrong about that poster and that mod.

Just saying ...
OP Harry
19 Apr 2017 #135
Just saying ...

Perhaps you'd like to try just staying on topic instead of trying to drive the topic away from areas you'd prefer people don't discuss by posting yet more off-topic ad hom trolling?
mafketis 34 | 11,611
19 Apr 2017 #136
I got general statements and no real-life examples

It's not every day that the administrator is a bigger and nastier troll than 90% of the posters, but I guess that's what's become of PF now....
Ziemowit 13 | 4,311
19 Apr 2017 #137
the administrator is a bigger and nastier troll than 90% of the posters

Maf, there's a nice and accurate Polish proverb describing it: Kto z kim przestaje, takim się staje.
That doesn't mean, of course, that I agree with Maf's opinion about the administrator.

Anyway, it seems the present trend on the PF is posting more ad-hom trolling against Admin.
johnny reb 32 | 6,837
19 Apr 2017 #138
Oh Hell Harry, look at just one of many that you posted which was found to be acceptable here.

because secretly you're a Jewish faggot.

Perhaps you would like to explain to us which rules you broke when you posted that Mr. Snow White.

Stymied are you Harry ?
mafketis 34 | 11,611
19 Apr 2017 #139
it seems the present trend on the PF is posting more ad-hom trolling against Admin

I'm just going by the content of that incredibly nasty answer he gave Lenka. The administrator is supposed to set the tone and not conduct sidewalk psychoanalysis tinged with unhinged political views - that's the job of the posters.
OP Harry
19 Apr 2017 #140
Stymied

I'm certainly completely stuck as to why you never quote the full statement which I posted more than seven years ago and why you never link to it.

I'd have to say the reason you never link to polishforums.com/news/sale-drinking-alcohol-banned-warsaw-krakow-43391/#msg890037 and never quote me as saying ": because secretly you're a Jewish faggot (to borrow yet another of your phrases)." is that you wish to falsify a quote by making it appear that I said something as opposed the reality, i.e. that I was quoting somebody. However, quote abuse is against the rules here and you'd have been given a warning if you had abused quotes, so yes I am completely stuck as to why you never quote the full statement which I posted more than seven years ago and why you never link to it; perhaps you'd like to explain? And perhaps you'd like to tell us what you think should happen to people who falsify quotes?
Ziemowit 13 | 4,311
19 Apr 2017 #141
that incredibly nasty answer he gave Lenka

I think he has some issues with Lenka originating from the time when she was a mod here. That was abruptly stopped and there was even a discussion about it somewhere on the PF in which I took part as well.

The administrator is supposed to set the tone

Notice however that Admin is a human being and being presently under attack coming from many sides, he is perfectly entitled to loose his temper in such circumstances. He has no allies on the forum, neither is he a member of a forum "gang" ready to support him through delivering ad-hoc insults against his ad-hoc enemies.
Ironside 51 | 11,337
19 Apr 2017 #142
is not racist?

Well, maybe it is a news for you but some people are racist some other are stupid and there so seemingly intelligent people who love commie ideas. It doesn't mean they should be banned for expressing their views, unless they do noting else but troll, rant and insult people.

Freedom of speech is just that - the right to express your view regardless what those views might be.
Hence I hate such ideological hacks like Harry who would just probe and provoke people unlike they loose their rag. He is doing that on purpose because in the imaginary world of a radical commie he exposing those who are evil according to his narrow-minded world view.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,311
19 Apr 2017 #143
I hate such ideological hacks like Harry who would just probe and provoke people

And yet, if Harry was such a vile creature, people wouldn't be calling him Mr White Snow, would they?
Lyzko 33 | 7,991
19 Apr 2017 #144
Oh, did I see my name mentioned?LOL

Anything which creates stricter standards both for posting as well as receiving, I'm all in favor of it.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,311
19 Apr 2017 #146
Is Mr White Snow of the same opinion?
spiritus 69 | 666
19 Apr 2017 #147
I hope my suggestion about new members having to contribute a minimum number of posts before they can start a new thread will be considered by Admin.

This could prevent the casual first time visitor to the site from starting a thread that, let's be honest, follows the same template e.g. "do all Polish girls have blue eyes ?" or "are all Polish people rude" ?

I realty don't think these type of threads contribute anything to the forum and it leaves the forum wide open to abuse by people who are trying to be provocative and mischievous. At least if a new member has to invest time and effort in contributing a minimum number of posts before starting a new thread on their own then it's more likely they are going to have a genuine interest in all things Polish
Admin 32 | 1,530 Administrator
19 Apr 2017 #148
Still waiting for examples of 'racist posts' - out of thousands of messages, nobody who posted in this thread can link to 'blatantly racist' posts? Someone tried, but failed (pointing out 'off-topic' messages only). I understand it's easy for a delusional to say 'PF is racist' - then it should be easy to find 'racist posts' within a minute, no?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
19 Apr 2017 #150
Someone tried, but failed (pointing out 'off-topic' messages only).

Well..seeing as you asked nicely.

Dictionary definition of a wog - dictionary.com/browse/wog

polishforums.com/news/poland-post-election-political-scene-76400/84/#msg1589292
polishforums.com/news/poland-post-election-political-scene-76400/56/#msg1543798
polishforums.com/off-topic/inheritance-come-ons-77621/#msg1540270

Give us a straight answer Admin - do you regard the term "wog" as racist or not?

OK, and while we're at it, what about words that are simply offensive?

polishforums.com/news/poland-brexit-affect-immigrants-77775/18/#msg1588129

Anyway, I don't see why an out of work British carpetbagger faced with being deported from Poland

I appreciate that you might not see the racism in this post, but in that case, you're accepting that calling him a "unemployed Canadian basement-dweller" is also perfectly acceptable. Is that correct?

https://polishforums.com/off-topic/albanians-wronged-poles-past-60170/2/#msg1584249

Here - you can see the use of "Shquiptars" to refer to Albanians. It's highly offensive, as the correct word in Serbian is "Albánac". Again - if you're comfortable with that - then you should also be comfortable with referring to Polish-American posters as "Polacks", right?

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