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Quote attribution name removed and tested :)



Marynka11 4 | 670    
23 Jul 2011  #61

Even if you think you know who someone is, they are still anonymous people, unless you met them offline in private.

Not really. After a spending a while on this forum you know the specific view and leanings of frequent posters. It's easier to detect sarcasm, irony, anger etc. when you know who wrote it.

Things are changing too fast here and not for better. Time to take a break.


FlaglessPole 4 | 672    
23 Jul 2011  #62

Admin: Why don't you try to discuss the issue / problem / question instead?

No problem I can try.. now that I know it's the Admin and not ,say, Crow.
Admin 32 | 1,523  Administrator  
23 Jul 2011  #63

Where's that?

In the post form area, on the left of 'Polish letters: '
Llamatic - | 144    
23 Jul 2011  #64

Oh. That's handy. I was going to complain about that too. Lol.

So what's that, like 1 good change you made vs. how many needless and annoying ones that just subtract from the flow of the board?
Softsong 5 | 495    
23 Jul 2011  #65

Admin

Now I focus on the message, not on the poster. And it makes the forum a different and better experience. Hopefully at least 1 person agrees :

Not sure, I have not read through the whole thread. I am usually pretty mellow and go with the flow, but I dislike the changes, too.

Yes, this is not a chat, but people do make friends here as well as debate and discuss. I love to listen to a lot of the people and quote them when I agree or disagree. Oh well.

*Sad Eyes*
ShawnH 8 | 1,503    
23 Jul 2011  #66

In the post form area, on the left of 'Polish letters: '

A useful feature if you are replying to a number of parts in a particular post. But, if you are reading something somebody has replied to it is nice to know who they replied to. This also leads to having to accept the context of the quoted bit as an entire thought. Often times, the context of the quote needs to be reviewed to suss out if the quote was taken out of context.

Also, if somebody replied to me on a particular thread, the search function is now entirely useless in tracking your posts and associated replies. A discussion killer really.

Respectfully requesting that you put the attribution back, please.
nott 3 | 600    
23 Jul 2011  #67

Admin:Btw. How many of you knows there's the 'Quote up' feature: - you can get back to the quoted message quickly.

ah, and there I can easily check who's just been quoted. And how do I get back to the message I was in, quickly?

In the post form area, on the left of 'Polish letters: '

I never noticed that, so my comment on this is irrelevant, as based on false premises. May come handy, except that it returns always to the post of the last quote only.

Anyway, the seven words question was important. Forget the time limit, just have a go. You know who I am talking to, innit.

JonnyM: Living under fascism is no different.

Never lived under fascism. Have you?
skysoulmate 14 | 1,290    
23 Jul 2011  #68

Written by dtaylor5632 - even though the admin doesn't want you to know that

I find it funny how many people complain then when admin tries to do something, more of you complain. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.:D

Well, look around, plenty of compliments here too when the admin did something that was appreciated. In fact, found it very helpful how quick he was with fixing some issues recently (post numbers disappearing, etc.).

This change is perplexing, I'd say some 90% of members here hate the new "nameless" quotes yet the admin doesn't give a s@$t. Found it quite despicable that his own behavior made him make assumptions about the rest of us. He admitted that he didn't read the posts but focused on names instead. So he developed his own bias and assumed all of us did too. Then he made a change that suited him. A selfish and a stubborn behavior.

I'm quoting delphiandomine despite admin's wish for me not to mention his name. The admin is wrong.

You know, while the Admin works to keep this forum online.

Im sorry but that's total BS, with the recent "anonymous quote" update it's obvious the admin is working hard to make his own moderating easier, it will hardly help the forum members, quite the opposite....
ShawnH 8 | 1,503    
24 Jul 2011  #69

I think I know what is coming next.....

Paying Gold Members will be able to see who quoted who.
wildrover 98 | 4,459    
24 Jul 2011  #70

Paying Gold Members were to be able to see who quoted who.

Well , that will be usefull to the gold members..... who will probably be the only ones left on the forum...
JonnyM 12 | 2,634    
24 Jul 2011  #71

Don't bet on it!

One problem is that from the main menu, you see the first few lines of a post, you see the poster's name, but don't realise it's a quotation. You think it's their words.

And in years to come when little kiddywinks are researching their family history on whatever comes after Google, they'll just see the post without realising that it was a quote from someone and think dear old grandpa was a racist or a llama obsessive etc.
Harry 79 | 13,413    
25 Jul 2011  #72

Merged:Petition to leave the quote function as it is now

This is not a vote in favour of the new quote function, this is me just starting a thread about it.

However, if anybody is in favour of the new quote function, please post here.

If you are not in favour of the new quote function, please do not post here (instead please post in the thread against the new quote function).
modafinil - | 421    
25 Jul 2011  #73

Mountains out of molehills...
Is it so hard to paste or type the name into the quote with a colon and add a bold font to it?
Still, I think there was a syntax error in coding and its now become an experiment.
If some of the two-way back-and-forths over small points that halt a thread move to PM, that's a good thing,right?
ShawnH 8 | 1,503    
25 Jul 2011  #74

Pedro9a: The Polish women who come to the UK are very immoral. They are often consorting with lecherous negroes and they dress like prostitutes. This is not true of all Polish women but unfortunately we must accept many of them are filthy race traitors. The negroe would not befriend a Polish man but he would happily prey on his women.

Another good reason to have the quote attribution restored. How can we properly chastise the perpetrators of this sort of comment?
skysoulmate 14 | 1,290    
26 Jul 2011  #75

Yeah, no kidding! If what he (she?) said isn't racists and sexist I don't know what is? Don't feel like going back to decipher who said it but it could've been Anders himself!

RESTORE THE PREVIOUS QUOTE FUNCTION!!!!!!
Llamatic - | 144    
26 Jul 2011  #76

I have two questions...

One, I have yet to see it explained clearly just how this new change is supposed to improve this place (other than some lame lie about it keeping insults to a minimum or something). So what exactly is the claimed benefit?

And two, why does every other message board on the internet have an attribution quoting feature but suddenly it's not good enough for this one?

Please respond with real answers and not just lame platitudes attempting to save face and defend this dumb decision. Thamk you.
ender 5 | 401    
26 Jul 2011  #77

Harry: However, if anybody is in favour of the new quote function, please post here.

As much as I am physically unable to agree with Harry in this case he is rights. With that change PF is going to the dogs. It's unacceptable. Same goes for avatars and unsigned Mods messages (I have to say some of them are real preacks)

The only good thing is a neat look of icons and buttons.

Harry: However, if anybody is in favour of the new quote function, please post here.

As much as I am physically unable to agree with Harry in this case he is rights. With that change PF is going to the dogs. It's unacceptable. Same goes for avatars and unsigned Mods messages (I have to say some of them are real preacks)

The only good thing is a neat look of icons and buttons.
pawian 127 | 6,556    
27 Jul 2011  #78

However, if anybody is in favour of the new quote function, please post here.

The new feature hasn`t dropped from the moon.
It was introduced by the mods.
Did they have their reasons to do it?
I suppose they did. After all, they are intelligent guys.
Why did they decide to do it?
To make their work in the forum easier.
Now, a fundamental question arises - Why did they want to make their work here easier?
alexw68    
27 Jul 2011  #79

Now, a fundamental question arises - Why did they want to make their work here easier?

An even more fundamental question arises: was this the right way to make their work here easier?

No.

Unless introducing a dumb and unannounced alteration and getting 40 people to jump ship is anyone's idea of right.
Barney 14 | 1,473    
27 Jul 2011  #80

was this the right way to make their work here easier?

How to stop constant spamming with Pollack, Polish traitor, paedophile and so on.

I don’t want to read people threatening others inviting people for fights or posters daughters for "drinks". Nor do I want to read racist drivel I generally ignore it, you can’t however ignore spamming throughout the threads by self appointed heroes who believe themselves to be top cocks of the board.

Then of course you have the one man wrecking ball dragging all topics into the sandpit and people foolishly following him.

If there has been a wayward drift disrupting the flow it’s the people with massive egos steering it in that direction. Admin has tried to keep a very tolerant open minded approach to the membership, the abuse of this policy has led directly to the most recent change.
Marynka11 4 | 670    
31 Jul 2011  #81

Dear Admin,

if you refuse to put names with the quotes, could you at least put post numbers in there? I was reading a very interesting exchange today, the quotes had only fragments in them, took me forever scrolling back and forth to make full sense off it. Please, for the convenience, put the post numbers with the quotes at least :)
Admin 32 | 1,523  Administrator  
1 Aug 2011  #82

Numbers could be put, but the problem is when a post is moved the numbers get incorrect..
modafinil - | 421    
1 Aug 2011  #83

On the whole deletions are made quickly or not at all, and responses are binned with the quoted post, oftentimes. As I've said before, hyperlinked quotes taking one back to original quote is the way to go.
JonnyM 12 | 2,634    
1 Aug 2011  #84

One key issue is when you quote from more than one person in the same post. Nobody can tell who said what.
beckski 12 | 1,619    
1 Aug 2011  #85

Paying Gold Members will be able to see who quoted who

Cool... I can go for that idea :)
Marynka11 4 | 670    
1 Aug 2011  #86

Numbers could be put, but the problem is when a post is moved the numbers get incorrect..

I thought about it. Is there any way that the number could be updated in the quote as well? And in case the post goes to the bin, it could say "bin" on the quote, or something like that? (of course I mean for some script to do it, not the modes by hand)

Or the name of the poster could be shown on rollover on the quote?

I was just curious if you guys got used to the way the quotes work now? Is it just me who is still bothered by the change? If yes, I will shut up and never bring it up again.

But I just wanted to say (yet again) that if you want to read a longer thread it's such a pain to figure out where the quotes are coming from.
skysoulmate 14 | 1,290    
9 Aug 2011  #87

MARYNKA:
I was just curious if you guys got used to the way the quotes work now? Is it just me who is still bothered by the change?

Nope, not just you. I hate it even more now that I've tried it out over and over again. I like to "put a face/screen name" to people I'm replying to. Doesn't matter though what we like or dislike.
Natasa 1 | 590    
9 Aug 2011  #88

I will agree with.. almost complete forum on that matter :)

It is not the way usual communication develops, we communicate about different issues with somebody. Other aspects of interaction often are more defining the discussion than argument A or B. In order to adequately respond to something we usually count with the fact to whom the reply is addressed to.

This is totally artificial, doesn't reflect the way conversation in natural conditions flows.

It is an attempt of a move towards solipsism where you ideally debate with yourself weighing arguments and contra arguments (source irrelevant) , closing yourself in the your private autistic world. This idea resembles the 'flaw' of Western philosophy where it all starts and ends in one self. Cogito ergo sum is wrong, we know it now for sure, so now give us back the quotes :))))

people are beings (also) defined by interaction.

Is some philosopher by education behind this idea? ;)
Marynka11 4 | 670    
10 Aug 2011  #89

Dear Admin,

it looks like a couple of people are still bothered by the way the quotes work now. Are you planning to modify this feature or is it going to stay the way it is now?
Crow 138 | 5,830    
30 Aug 2011  #90

Merged: No name in quotation reduced quality of forum. Its not good

Why there is no name in quotations? It is much better when you see the name (to whom quote) in quotations. Anonymous quotations are bad idea




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