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Nickidewbear 20 | 523    
10 Dec 2013  #31

I myself am reserved about coming back here. I will under the condition that trolls like delph are banned. After all, my family were proud to be Pojliszn Jidn, even when they became Anusim-even Thomas Andrew, for example, was born Edward Thomas Andrulewicz and did not mind that they said that he was "[o]f Polish ancestry"-and, for instance, Andrulevièuses came from Stakli┼íkės, Vilnius, and other places in Lithuania to Bose, Sejny, Giby, and other places in Poland.


Meathead 5 | 475    
10 Dec 2013  #32

It's good that people have different opinions, and we need to be able to voice and discuss them in a civil (!) manner. If you demand to shut up every poster who doesn't agree with your world view, then you will end up with a forum that is virtually dead. That's the reason why I generally support the admin's take on free speech.

Exactly. Permanent bans are self defeating to an open forum. People shouldn't personalize what's said on here, afterall it's cyberspace.
p3undone 8 | 1,152    
10 Dec 2013  #33

But freedom of speech,is not freedom to abuse,we want members to feel free to discuss,without fear for being abused,because they have different views.A Permanent ban is the last resort,but sometimes it is necessary.And contrary to popular belief,it's not about vendettas with us mods.If members want to harass and goad other members,and continue to do it repeatedly after warnings and suspensions....they can expect a permanent ban if they keep it up.It's all about the actions of posters,that we are concerned with.It is possible to discuss in a civil manner,because after all we are in control of what we say and do.
Meathead 5 | 475    
10 Dec 2013  #34

People shouldn't personalize what's said on here, afterall it's cyberspace.
p3undone 8 | 1,152    
10 Dec 2013  #35

People are people,and in a perfect world they wouldn't personalize,but it's kind of hard for people not to,and just because this is cyber space,doesn't mean people should be allowed to walk all over people.This forum has rules for a reason.
Meathead 5 | 475    
10 Dec 2013  #36

No one is being walked on. It's only words. Internet forums are a good place to learn tolerance of people who think differently.
p3undone 8 | 1,152    
10 Dec 2013  #37

Meathead,only words,well unfortunately words can cut like a knife in print,or if heard,You could say the same thing about that in real life too.But like I said people are people,and they will get offended.It's one thing to have an opposing view,and quite another to berate,gang up on and try to character assassinate.I agree that people shouldn't personalize it,but people do,and even if they didn't....it is no excuse for people doing that to other people.in essence,walk all over them.And if you haven't seen this done,then you obviously haven't been paying attention.
szczecinianin 4 | 347    
18 Dec 2013  #38

There are a few hard nose contributors on PF who live in Poland, it just par for the course that is how life is in Poland, you will not survive unless you hold your ground, Poland is not a PC fairground like the UK or USA any forum about Poland will always reflect this opinion.

As a long term resident of Poland, I'd suggest that while Delphi's knowledge of Polish Forums was undoubtably encyclopaedic, his understanding of Poland itself left something to be desired. Presumably the long hours he put into the former prevented him from actually experiencing the latter.

Mind you, a lot of Delph's posts were interesting and useful.

It would indeed be a dull world were we all to think alike.
Wulkan - | 3,077    
19 Dec 2013  #39

He was a mine of information and the forum is worse without him.

If you can't spot the troll and you fell for his bs that you consider a valid information then I feel sorry for you... luckly there are brighter people who admin this forum and know how to make the right decision
szczecinianin 4 | 347    
19 Dec 2013  #40

He was a mine of information and the forum is worse without him.

Indeed. He was a mine of information on an alternative reality Poland I have had no experience of. I'd love to know what transcendental mind-altering techniques would be required to enable me to glimpse Delphi's magical, fantasy vision of Poland.
Wulkan - | 3,077    
19 Dec 2013  #41

I'd love to know what transcendental mind-altering techniques would be required to enable me to glimpse Delphi's magical, fantasy vision of Poland.

lol, funny but that's truth
jon357 63 | 11,663    
19 Dec 2013  #42

an alternative reality Poland

And tax and immigration and transport and tourism and a whole shed load of other stuff.

lol, funny but that's truth

How would you know?
poland_    
19 Dec 2013  #43

I'd love to know what transcendental mind-altering techniques would be required to enable me to glimpse Delphi's magical, fantasy vision of Poland.

If my memory serves correctly Delph has taken you to task szczecinianin a few times on PF ?
szczecinianin 4 | 347    
19 Dec 2013  #44

He certainly did his research on me. Most likely because he couldn't beat me in discussion. If you want to hear insinuations concerning other members of PF then he's the man to listen to.

Presumably, this is what has got him banned. PF should be about discussing Poland and not the personal lives of PF forum members.

Indeed. And when a tax or immigration question was raised, he was the man

And when any newbie appeared ..... he'd be the first to mock, humiliate and pry. The main attack-dog of a pack of obnoxious, dysfunctional natives.
rozumiemnic 9 | 3,107    
19 Dec 2013  #45

he'd be the first to mock, humiliate and pry. The main attack-dog of a pack of obnoxious, dysfunctional natives.

i am afraid that is true, dd and teflcat would do that to anyone who was working as an English teacher or proofreader to the extent of investigating publishing their personal details here on PF inc full name and address. imagine the time and effort put in !

which they did to me and did not even get suspended!!
while i got banned for mentioning someone's hometown in passing chat.
whatever.
jon357 63 | 11,663    
20 Dec 2013  #46

No, the problem is with their investigating the private and personal lives of other posters to score cheap points.

That kind of thing merits a suspension when someone gets out of control.

I'd probably agree with DD about most things.

Yes, and he was an asset to the forum in so many ways.

PF should be about discussing Polish issues and not character assassination.

Bingo, though there are a few here who post while drunk.
Wroclaw Boy    
20 Dec 2013  #48

PF should be about discussing Polish issues and not character assassination.

Now here's the really amusing thing, you Mr Grumpy started attacking my personality first over the Lee Rigby incident, as i said before those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Take a long hard look at yourself before you preach to others. You cant handle discussion/debate, you go straight for the personal attack almost every time.

Sz is only calling for the suspension of people who hes argued with, humm shall we put 2+2 together.....
Ironside 43 | 7,945    
20 Dec 2013  #49

This is something the owners and moderators of the forum should do something about.

They will do nothing. They will introduce half-measures and do nothing to improve this forum. How they can do it with the same mods? This forum is just a waste of time. It it going in circles. All those lasted so called improvements changed that much that you cannot express your views. We already had that kipper under guise of posting on topic But how you can make a change if you have the same set of mods?

That is all BS. One example Harry, delph started campaign against racist posts here. they were trolling like crazy for years. What have to them, nothing much.

I posted on topic, very much on topic l; just to have my post put into the bin. Saying that for the last couple of days I have been posting in the random bin to not to be accused of taking threads of topic.

Well sloppy moderators job coupled with their interpenetration what is on topic and what is not, sometimes it is obvious but sometimes it is not, I mean if they have so much information about a topic and about issue debated they could illuminate others not go by some mechanical offish notions what is off-topic and what is not, especially in political or philosophical threads. How the hell in thread about atheist loonies correcting a false data posted by sobieski about the pope is not on -topic? By what standards? moronic?

From now on I'm gonna post in the random bin if at all.

What a weird thing to post.

No actually it is funny and make sane unlike others things here,
jon357 63 | 11,663    
20 Dec 2013  #50

No actually it is funny and make sane unlike others things here,

Still weird.

The guy (kid) must have sat down and made that in his spare time.

Personally, I think the mods do a fairly good job, given the amount of crap that they have to sift through. Some things slip through the net - and yes it's annoying to you or to me if it's something we don't like - but I suppose that's unavoidable.
szczecinianin 4 | 347    
20 Dec 2013  #51

Personally, I think the mods do a fairly good job, given the amount of crap that they have to sift through.

Imho, Pam is doing an excellent job, even if some of my posts end up in the bin. It's her call, and I'm not going to argue with her about it.
grspring 11 | 54    
22 Dec 2013  #52

Why do forums, designed for a honest exchange of ideas and information bring out the worst in some people. Why will people argue on subjects of which they have no knowledge and berate people who simply try to inform them. Why dig to the lowest levels with personal attacks and supposition. I often wonder, without anonymous internet could or would these people be able to survive and communicate at all.
szczecinianin 4 | 347    
22 Dec 2013  #53

Considering its so easy to find out information on you

I hope this is my last contribution here in any kind of 'discussion' with TB.

This thread is about 'notorious trolls'.

Now, fairly obviously. I have never mentioned anything about my daughter on Polish Forums. My friend, TB, must have done some research of his own.

Her name is not on any website I either own or have any connection with.

Now, if people post here, I feel sure they would like to do so without lowlifes such as TB, researching them and publishing their personal details on line.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, Polish Forums should be about Polish issues, and not character assassination and research of those who post here.

Unfortunately, there was a small clique of unpleasant people dominating the forum, who saw things differently.

Mods, owners, please run the forum in such a way that people can post here without their private lives coming under scrutiny by this clique.

Szczecin actually enjoys this kind of posting, if hes not abusing somebody or generally moaning about something hes not posting at all.

People abuse each other on each and every forum I've been on. That's (kind of) normal.

If it gets too bad then the mods can issue suspensions, bin posts and so on.

What is unique to this forum is the unpleasant investigation of people's personal lives that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject under discussion.

It should be dealt with by a permanent ban.

People simply won't post here if it means their lives outside this forum will come under unpleasant scrutiny by the likes of yourself.

Someone has to take a stand, and I feel I have the support of others here.

The forum is about discussing Polish issues and not the private lives of forum members.
Palivec - | 381    
23 Dec 2013  #54

I'm pleased to see that the mods don't think that Crow is a notorious troll... lol
Wulkan - | 3,077    
23 Dec 2013  #55

What is unique to this forum is the unpleasant investigation of people's personal lives that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject under discussion.

The more you know about someone the better you can attackt them and it's sad some no-lifers do that on this forum. The biggest one (DD) is out already, the funny part of it is that some individuals still support him lol, it reminds me of the situation when some people were crying on the streets of Russia after Joseph Stalin's death.
Ziemowit 8 | 2,408    
27 Dec 2013  #56

I'm pleased to see that the mods don't think that Crow is a notorious troll... lol

Crow is not a notorious troll, neither is he a simple troll even. He expresses his views which - however bizzare may seem to you or any other person - does not entitle you to call him a troll simply because you may not agree with him.

What in the hell is wrong with you people. Leave people lives out of a forum. Even if they bring it up themselves it is not suddenly your weapon to toss at people. The above exchange is exactly why so many people (including me) sit back and hardly participate in this forum. You rub people off with your craptastic behavior. It is sad that admin let's you douches run rampant. Good lord people grow the hell up and behave adults.

You are basically wrong in your analysis of the forum. The administrator, some of the mods and many, many, many members simply indulge themselves in the kind of posting that you criticize. If you start to perceive reading this forum not as a serious thing, but as a sort of bizzare entertainment, you will either like it a little or abstain from it. That's what I did and have abstained from it for the last six months or so. Rather than indulging myself in the forum's activities, I have been devoting all that time to learning Dutch and this has been a real gain for me. Now I have decided to take a little break from learning Dutch, so I'm looking at what's going on in this forum and occasionally post on it.

Mentioning someone's daughter's name here is perhaps abusing privacy in psychological terms, but it's rather a minor offence. There may be lots of people with that name and unless any surname of the persons involved is revealed, the anonymity is still well secured. Szczecinianin, leave this affair as it is, since it is not worth such a lengthy discussion.
poland_    
4 Jan 2014  #57

if you want to call it that, assets dont go bipolar on forums

There seems to be a few creepy ones on this forum...

I am suprised no one has yet pointed out delphs handel is a anagram of " and do mine help" the answer is yes he did help/assist many people on PF.
Wroclaw Boy    
4 Jan 2014  #58

the answer is yes he did help/assist many people on PF.

He only helped people when he had something to gain personally, he would be helping everybody for example if he was under fire from other members for the usual crap he used to pull.

Delph was hell of a bored Brit in Poland.
poland_    
4 Jan 2014  #59

so send him a flowers. He got banned because he deserved

There always two sides to every story,some of you guys are making Delph out to be the PF anti-Christ which is just plain B-S. If the mods are going to perma ban him, then morally they should erase Delphs history.

Why are you and others continually moaning and whining about it?

Why do you continually have a need to denounce Delph and WB, there is no smoke without fire Szc you must have given both Delph and WB reason to " out you".

And just for the record, WB hasn't made any malicious claims about me and hasn't 'outed' me as anything.

Allegedly, WB suggested your posts may be of a negative nature and offensive to others, furthermore he made the point they may not reflect on you well as a person in the future, if those who know you well read them. I personally believe that is a fair comment and I inform my younger family members of the same with their facebook accounts.

That's a silly thing to say. I won't make a libellous claim here, but suppose I were to out you as a *****. You'd be saying, "no smoke without fire."

We would have to wait until you make false claims before I would react or comment.

It's simple. Don't go into others private lives. Don't make malicious claims.

Do you have a problem with this?

If so, why?

And just for the record, WB hasn't made any malicious claims about me and hasn't 'outed' me as anything.

I have suggested you seem to be continually denouncing Delph and WB.

Simple lesson, TB. Don't abuse the families of other posters. Because if you do, then you will get treated as the filth that you are.

Finally who is TB?
szczecinianin 4 | 347    
4 Jan 2014  #60

And just for the record, WB hasn't made any malicious claims about me and hasn't 'outed' me as anything.

We have abused each other. As far as I'm concerned it's over, however, and the best thing is just to forget about it.

Abusing someone is not the same as making false claims.

If WB wants to write negative things about me, then it's up to him, it's his opinion, and others are free to agree or disagree.

The only thing I objected to is his bringing my daughter into the discussion, which was a 'low blow'.

That's a silly thing to say. I won't make a libellous claim here, but suppose I were to out you as a *****. You'd be saying, "no smoke without fire."

You were suggesting that 'there is no smoke without fire'. I disagree.

However, if you do believe this, then I can make any claim I want to about you, and it must be at least partially true.

Therefore, I suggest you must be a space alien who lives on human flesh.

I have suggested you seem to be continually denouncing Delph and WB.

The mods have got rid of Delph. It's their call. Please stop whining about it as I think we've all heard enough.

As far as WB is concerned, if he doesn't abuse me then I won't abuse him.

We've both had a go at each other, and I think it best if we try and co-exist rather than indulge in some kind of 'last man standing' wrestling match.

Finally who is TB?

My (former) nickname for WB, which I won't be using in future, providing WB stops using the t-word himself.




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