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No blanket statements on PF - clarification



4 eigner 2 | 848    
26 Sep 2012  #91

I already did, I don't team up with anyone on this forum. I could also say, I agree or disagree with all of you from time to time


rybnik 18 | 1,469    
26 Sep 2012  #92

ok. I got that.
you missed my point, which is that the moderator cannot prevent posters from forming groups of like-minded thinkers.
delphiandomine 57 | 15,334    
26 Sep 2012  #93

Admin - thanks for the clarification :)
sobieski 109 | 2,132    
26 Sep 2012  #94

Did I put the word 'dumb' near the word 'Polacks'? No. You used it in a derogatory way and that's what we won't tolerate. If you only used the word 'Polack' it would be fine. Same with the word 'Jew' or 'Paki.' What makes the difference is putting dumb words like you did in front of them. Playing games won't rescue you from getting banned.

Yet you allow the Polonians to denigrate PF members living in Poland.
Harry 69 | 12,954    
26 Sep 2012  #95

There was a movie where two British Pakistani people jokingly called each other 'paki.' IF the word 'paki' is not racist for THEM, it is not racist for me, either. Why should it be? Should I claim to know their culture more than they do?

I spent two years living in a neighbourhood which was 99% Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi. I never once heard anybody there calling each other paki. In fact, I'd be willing to bet a very large sum of money that if you went there and started calling people "Paki", you would not be walking out of there. The word is a very strong racial slur in the UK and people as young as ten years old have been up in court for using it source:

tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6004257
Even if all persons hearing the word are white, employers cannot allow people to use it as they have a duty to protect employees from harassment, and a white British employee recently won an Employment Appeal Tribunal (EAT) case of racial harassment against her employer when they failed to act after she reported that a customer had used the word 'Paki' in her hearing, which she regarded as working in an offensive environment.

citation.co.uk/employment-law/racial-and-sexual-harassment

And it is not just a British thing:

Abuse from British and American customers is driving increasing numbers of Indian call centre workers from their jobs, defeated by the strain of handling persistent rudeness.
Irate customers was cited as one of the main industry stress factors in a recent survey of call centre staff and some organisations have begun employing psychiatrists and counsellors to help employees to cope.

'I've had people tell me, "Back off, Paki, and don't call me again", said Eugene, 27, whose former employer, Spectrumind, provided an accounts services for BT. 'There was a lot of racist abuse once people detected from our accents that we weren't English.

guardian.co.uk/world/2005/may/29/india.ameliagentleman

As for the 'IF the word is not racist for THEM, it is not racist for me, either' approach: I regularly hear Afro-American actors and musician referring to other Afro-American as 'n*gger'. But that word is auto-banned here. Isn't that a slight contradiction?
4 eigner 2 | 848    
26 Sep 2012  #96

I spent two years living in a neighbourhood which was 99% Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi. I never once heard anybody there calling each other paki. In fact

OK Harry, I can't say much about your experiences in the UK but I can tell you one for sure, our blacks are often calling each other "nigga", however they hate to be called that by the whites. It's all up to when and how one says it.
Harry 69 | 12,954    
27 Sep 2012  #97

Just out of interest, will we get a reply to the question about why a hugely offensive racial slur is permitted while n*gger is not? And why today's fairly constant blanket statements and racial slurs towards the brits (not a racial group I'd say I'm part of) have been allowed?

Not that I really care, as long as I get to help those looking at their history in Poland (i.e. Two posters today alone), I can let much of the racial abuse slide.
OP p3undone 8 | 1,152    
27 Sep 2012  #98

What Huge slurs are you referring to.One I edited out and the other I'm not sure as to what you are referring to.Admin would have to answer your question about the n word.
Harry 69 | 12,954    
27 Sep 2012  #99

P3, sorry but I'm on my phone now, so can't quote. Nothing massive, just constant low-level racial slurs and harassment. Just check the reports.

It's not a question about the N word: it's about the P word. It really is hugely offensive by EU standards. Just check the links I sent. At the risk of trivialising the point, if you could show me video of you calling ten groups of certain gentlemen "Pakis" I'd cover the costs of your flight.

What Huge slurs are you referring to.One I edited out and the other I'm not sure as to what you are referring to.

The hugely offensive slur is the word "Paki", which is apparently still A-OK for PF, as shown by the title of this thread: Pakis VS Poles in the UK.

As for other posts which don't seem to quite fit with this new rule: Irish or English breakfast tea? Racially abusive language (removed) and blanket statement about racial group (left in and post left up).

Racially abusive language (post binned and no mod comment).
Blanket negative racial statement (post binned and no mod comment).
Polish political circus - Blanket statement regarding persons from a particular nation (post left up).
Rest in Peace Anna Walentnowicz or is it...?! Blanket statement regarding persons from a particular nation (post left up).
Polish political circus Blanket statement (post left up).

If the rule is going to be 'no blanket statements about Polonia but it's OK to make them any other group, whether a racial group or otherwise', that is just fine: but could we please have the rule stated as being that if it is going to be that.
OP p3undone 8 | 1,152    
27 Sep 2012  #100

As far as the first one you mention this was before this was implemented.Political circus,I'm not sure I follow you on how there was a serious racial slur.Refer to the post that boletus posted that shows the type of comments I and admin were referring to.As for me if they are seriously offensive slurs I will comment.We are not going to remove every post that was posted before this as they were posted when I guess that it was acceptable.I'm not going to split hairs.when people post the type of comments referred to and show a pattern of abusing then I guarantee that this will become an issue for me.The ones I've dealt with were not that serious,but if the other mods have a problem with it,it is up to them and I will respect their decision.
Harry 69 | 12,954    
27 Sep 2012  #101

Political circus,I'm not sure I follow you on how there was a serious racial slur.

There wasn't; there was a blanket statement "Anyone from a &#¤?&!#**ß ¤%&!* place like the UK would do well to exercise a bit of humility" and an insult about the country those people are from.

I assume that when you talk about blanket statements you would mean statements such as 'Anybody who is Polonia needs to display more brains'. Yes? Well let's change the above "Anyone whose ancestors were from a &#¤?&!#**ß ¤%&!* place like Poland would do well to exercise a bit of humility": is that the kind of blanket statement we are not supposed to make? I would say it is. So why is it acceptable to make such a blanket statement about people from the UK but not about Polonia?
OP p3undone 8 | 1,152    
27 Sep 2012  #102

I think you know what I mean as has been clarified,I thought that Polonius was referring to not wanting to live in the UK.As for the types of comments I'm referring to apply that logic to comments directed in regards to others.I'm done discussing this,when people make the types of comments that we're referring to they will know it,as it will be pointed out.If all the members of the forum think we are being unfair in this I'm sure they will let us know.
Harry 69 | 12,954    
27 Sep 2012  #103

I think you know what I mean as has been clarified,

Frankly, no I do not. Sorry.

As for the types of comments I'm referring to apply that logic to comments directed in regards to others.

Could you possibly either post or PM me some of the blanket statements which I have made which are of the type that you're referring to? Not statements that other people have made but ones which I made.
OP p3undone 8 | 1,152    
27 Sep 2012  #104

Harry,if you are not making them or haven't,then this doesn't apply to you,but you do know what kind i'm referring to.,I have to leave for a few hours but If you want me to pm you I will.I'm through discussing it here.
Harry 69 | 12,954    
27 Sep 2012  #105

but If you want me to pm you I will.

Please do that. Thank you.
SeanBM 35 | 5,818    
27 Sep 2012  #106

calling people "Paki"

To add insult to injury, I think it's even worse when Indians are called "Pakies", the countries have Nukes pointed at each other.

You have a fair point though, it always seemed like a learning curve on PFs banned words because they often change and usually after someone points out that if "Nigger" can't be used why then can "Polack" be used.

And it changes back and forth.

Is Limey really a derogatory word for a Brit? I mean would any British person ever feel offended?
It's from sucking limes on long ocean voyages to stop scurvy, wasn't it?
Seems something Australians use, in my experience.
TheOther 5 | 2,921    
27 Sep 2012  #107

We are not that sophisticated - we use Pom, whinging Pom or Pommie bastard instead... ;)
SeanBM 35 | 5,818    
27 Sep 2012  #108

Looks like there's a whole list of names for Brits, many of which I have never heard of.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_names_for_the_British
Wroclaw Boy    
27 Sep 2012  #109

Harry and Delph are unsurprisingly acting like a couple of kids over this whole issue, you'd think grown men would just be able to take it for what it is.

Looks like there's a whole list of names for Brits, many of which I have never heard of.

Personally i quite like 'potato eater' for the Irish.
urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Potato%20Eater

Nigg@r is a big no no, obviously a Pakistani wouldnt like to be called a Paki by a non Pakistani but its not in the same bracket as the nigg@r word. Paki could be along the terms of Polack or Limey, or Pommie, Red Neck. Spic is quite offensive. What about white South Africans referring to blacks as Kaffas?
SeanBM 35 | 5,818    
27 Sep 2012  #110

Personally i quite like 'potato eater' for the Irish.

Meh, I like potatoes but not all the time ;p

What about white South Africans referring to blacks as Kaffas?

That's worse than "nigger".

My South African mates laughed when I told them about

After what some in S.A. did, the word is no longer allowed.

Strange isn't it, that some words are "No longer allowed" of course with reason but just the idea that a word is not allowed.
NorthMancPolak 4 | 651    
27 Sep 2012  #111

I think you know what I mean as has been clarified,I thought that Polonius was referring to not wanting to live in the UK

To be honest, I'm more fed up of his anti-British comments than I am about the use of words like "Polack", because I know that the latter word (on PF, at least) refers to a specific type of "Pole" on here (and they deserve it).

Is there a list of these banned words, btw?

Nigg@r is a big no no, obviously a Pakistani wouldnt like to be called a Paki by a non Pakistani but its not in the same bracket as the nigg@r word. Paki could be along the terms of Polack or Limey, or Pommie, Red Neck. Spic is quite offensive. What about white South Africans referring to blacks as Kaffas?

A lot of this is about context. I've worked with English people who have used terms like "you Pakis" in conversation, but the "Paki" involved would use similar terms towards the English guy - because they were mates, and it was mutually acceptable. Like the agreement to proceed towards using "Ty" instead of "Pan" in Polish ;)

I wouldn't be offended by "Limey" (if used by a friendly American), but I would be very pi**ed-off if a Polish immigrant directed the "Angol" word towards me in Polish.
delphiandomine 57 | 15,334    
28 Sep 2012  #112

obviously a Pakistani wouldnt like to be called a Paki by a non Pakistani but its not in the same bracket as the nigg@r word.

Would you honestly use the term "paki" in front of them if you didn't know them?

Is Limey really a derogatory word for a Brit? I mean would any British person ever feel offended?

It certainly is.
call1n 2 | 73    
25 Nov 2012  #113

Can I say on Polish Forums that I would rather be a cannibal than be circumcised?
I am not insulting anyone, I am just giving my opinion on circumcision....

I would like to insult muslims by calling them jews and vice versa, is that acceptable?
OP p3undone 8 | 1,152    
25 Nov 2012  #114

call1n,You can say that ,but that wasn't why I had suspended you before.Did you read the types of comments that was described on the first page of this thread.It will make it quite clear.
4 eigner 2 | 848    
25 Nov 2012  #115

Can I say on Polish Forums that I would rather be a cannibal

how about cannonball instead?
call1n 2 | 73    
25 Nov 2012  #116

why did delphiandomine get suspended?
and Wroclaw Boy?
I thought he was your English teacher, teaching you unnecessary and proper anglo-saxon manners....
Ok, we should call the Pakistani people Jews.
There is nothing more insulting to them.
call1n 2 | 73    
25 Nov 2012  #118

Why did you block the Polish English teacher delphiandomine?

I thought he was your anglo-saxon role model...

So is it acceptable to call Pakistanis... jewish?

What if I was mistaken... I am sorry I just saw that you could not work on saturday... I thought you were Jewish....

oh no I insulted him... but now if he says he is insulted by that... now he is racist!
TommyG 2 | 369    
25 Nov 2012  #120

Call1n is Mr Thorskin. Mr Thorskin, Delph is British and he is or was an English teacher. He is not Polish.

So is it acceptable to call Pakistanis... jewish?

What on Earth are you talking about?




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