P3 - excellent. For the first time on PF, a mod has decided that blanket statements aren't allowed. Does this policy apply to all equally, and if so, what are the consequences?
Do not play an innocent angel now, Delphi. This is nothing new in the Forum guidelines. Some of them are posted in bold, right under the edit box:- Do not insult or harass others, play nicely!- Do not personally attack others to avoid temporary or permanent suspension
Let me add to it a little definition of rasizm, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism:
Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to the United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination, and superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and that there is no justification for racial discrimination, in theory or in practice, anywhere.
Also, are the other moderators aware of this? It has been common on this forum for years to abuse Brits, Jews, Poles, blacks, 'pakis' and more - can we look forward to this no longer existing on PF?
Delphi, do not try deflecting your own aggression into abusers of others in other threads. We are talking about this thread, which was set up to be insulting and harassing from the very start. And the main hero of this production is no other than you. So let us go through it with a coarse brush:Sep 18, 12, 22:08. Sobieski:
Starts with baying at Polonia, followed by
They long back for the Kresy, where "everybody knew his place".Comment:
Some do long, most do not care. Polish population of Kresy was in the range of 1 million or so and it was very diverse. There were peasants, settlers, petty nobles (szaraczkowa szlachta), land owners, bureaucrats, soldiers, city dwellers: some poor, some well to do - from doctors to university professors. The sweeping generalization of Sobieski implies something I do not understand, but hopefully Delph will oblige soon.Sep 18, 12, 22:14. delhiandomine:
And he does indeed. He clarifies that it was all about Jews to know their place. And he implies that every "racist clueless moron of North American Polonia" is descendant of Kresowiacy and therefore is antisemitic, more or less.Comment:
Both Sobieski and Delph are completely ignorant of complexity of social relations there, but yet it does not stop them from spitting their filth from the very start. Nice progression Delph: From Kresy to Polonia and hence antisemitism of every "racist clues moron of the North American Polonia". Well sir, this must include me in that set because part of my family came from Kresy and I live in Toronto, therefore - according to you - I must be 'racist clueless moron' and antisemite too. So you violated both guidelines by insulting entire group of people, including myself. I consider it a personal attack on my family and myself. This is your first violation of the Forum guidelines.Sep 18, 12, 23:09. delhiandomine:
people who use words like "Busia" are Grade A certifiable moronsComment:
Aside of being boring, idiotic and illogical this sweeping statement of yours violates the guidelines again. Strike 2.Sep 19, 12, 15:51. delhiandomine:
(refering to an example of prominent Polonians):
They exist? And if so, they're a tiny, tiny, tiny minority in a sea of overwhelming stupidity.Comment:
That's strike number 3, Delph. Harrasment of 1 million Polish Canadian, and 11 millions of Polish Americans. That includes engineers, scientists, musicians, poets, actors, architects, artists, authors, filmmakers, journalists, businessmen. And with all due respect, Delph: who are you by profession? A busybody? What gives you a right to call them overhelmingly stupid? What gives you a right to refer this way to me and to all my dear Polish Canadian friends, who live here, and who - I must add - all belong to one of these categories I listed above?Sep 20, 12, 01:17. delhiandomine:
It's just a sad fact of life that many of the so-called Polonia in America are nothing but descendants of racist village peasants from lands which we don't speak of in civilised circles. They carry on the proud traditions 100 years later, such as Jew-hating.Comment:
That counts for two violations, five so far: an exemplary racism and accusation of 12 millions of NA Polonians of antisemitism. That's bad example of generalization on both counts. Firstly, there is nothing shameful of "lands which we don't speak of in civilised circles". You obviosly mean Kresy. Secondly, some Kresowiacy could be peasants, but many - if not most - were and are of much higher culture and education than you will ever have, mister. Shame on you. Some Kresowiacy included and include Polonized Jews. Some of them feel right at home around Polonia. You are the real ignoramus.Sep 21, 12, 00:50. delhiandomine:
(in response to BBman)
what kind of family you come from - the worst kind. Mine doesn't have such feelings, but then again, we aren't racist village dwellers too.
Jealous of what, a bunch of morons with an identity crisis in North America?
the North American ones are nothing but peasant emigrants.Comment:
Strike 7, 8 and 9, Delph. Personal and group attacks.Sep 21, 12, 01:31. delhiandomine:
BBman is a great example - he thinks that he's better than the rest of them because his Polish family are racist backwater village morons.Comment:
Violation 10September 23, 09:27.
The problem is p3 that attacking individual posters isn't allowed, so making blanket statements about the stupidity and racism of Polonia is the only way forward.Comment:
Strange logic. How about just stopping abusing either individuals or groups and concentrate on discussing issues, pointing errors, etc.?
(you must admit - anyone using the word "Busia" or similar is worthy of being called dumb)Comment:
Violation 11. I am getting tired of this, Delph. From now on I am going to call my Babcia Busia. Sounds interesting.September 23, 09:56. delhiandomine:
It's a word used by particularly dumb Polish-Americans who insist that it's a Polish word for grandmother, despite not one of them managing to prove its existence in any Polish dictionary. The closest we came was discovering the use in Kashubian, which isn't Polish. You'll find lots of examples of PF of the word being used.Comment:
Violation 12. That's personal attack against me. I already pointed to your lie in another message here. But I am the one who insists that "busia" is perfectly Polish word, and therefore you are adressing me as "particularly dumb Polish-American".
How about it, angel. 12 violations so far. And I am not even counting the two spectacular messages that are sitting now as ( #3305, #3,307) in Random thread: You and Harry referred to Dess in abusive, although coveted way, but - according to your bargain with Vincent - you supposed to stay away from him.
Now you mention it, it is strange how the racist ones often claim Polish roots (although that could just be because they are attempting to claim something which they believe to be a sort of racial superiority and in reality they are either an unknown blend of European blood or just Ukrainian).Comment:
I particularly like this one. Atlacking racism by showing the worst ever racism possible. You must hate Dess so much, that you forgot about all your cunning restraints, and you blew up with the worst racism possible: "unknown blend of European blood or just Ukrainian". Classy.