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2016, the year of change in Poland?


Ironside  
27 Feb 2016 /  #31
will also be granted fianncial entitlements

Granted phew, that is a backwoods idea that doesn't work well more oft than not. They should increase tax free sum, stop taxing work so high or lower taxes to leave more money in the citizen pocket. That would work wonders instead of the old WE give you money vote us. I find that insulting.

Who in your opinions is the best Cursed Soldier? In my opinion its either Pilecki or Szendzielarz ;)

This is not a competition nor one should put question like that. They're all the very best in their own right.
delphiandomine  
27 Feb 2016 /  #32
They should increase tax free sum, stop taxing work so high or lower taxes to leave more money in the citizen pocket.

Ironside, what you might find interesting - in 2014, around 80 billion złoty was raised in PIT and CIT. The 500+ programme is expected to cost around 20 billion - so effectively, we could see a 25% cut in PIT/CIT with that money.

You're right, though. It would make far more sense to offer a larger tax free amount for those with children - offering 500zł extra tax free a month per child would be a far fairer programme and would encourage people to work. They could even apply it from the 2nd child onwards, just like now.
OP goofy  
27 Feb 2016 /  #33
They're all the very best in their own right.

I guess so ;) but still, whois you favourite, who do you have as your role model? ;)

I am just happy we can ask these questions to be honest Ironside.
So proud to be a Pole :)
delphiandomine  
27 Feb 2016 /  #34
So proud to be a Pole :)

You're proud of the fact that your fellow countrymen sought out and killed their own kin?
Grzegorz_  
28 Feb 2016 /  #35
we could see a 25% cut in PIT/CIT with that money.

Or most likely have it distributed to Miro, Zbycho and other "investors" If your Platfuses won :)))
Dom Polish Juan  
28 Feb 2016 /  #36
Americans in general are not very fond of foreign policies/international relations! The one who wins their hearts is the one who offers them wonderful products or services, offers them a nice story, offers them a nice food, offers them a reason to cry of emotion. That´s how the Japanese(now) have gained respect in America( and elsewhere in world) with their cars, now their food, their martial arts.even movies ( with tough ninjas, etc./ MAFIA..etc.).etc.The Germans (now) have also been succesful with their cars, food, some sports, and even the tough virile good looking \ and badass german soldier of war movies, etc...etc. So let´s take our time! Ukraine must learn how to win over people´s hearts!! UKRAINIANS AND POLES and all other Slavs just need to be more >>>- CREATIVE, just that! (or simply follow the trend of the already succesful ones cited,) ! And if true be said, let´s be frank, at least the russians have been a little somehow more succesfull in that respect! Another thing: majority of the world respects ( ACTUALLY REALLY ADMIRES) MORE VIRILE CULTURES! Slavs must show a more male / boys /men/ gentlemen/Dom Juan style( Jesus you know what I am talking about)\ oriented society,>>>> All those colorful women dresses (and EGGS!!)...give me a break!!.<<<< who really cares about that crap??..P.S. If I posted the above text in most other countries they would definitely agree with me..but the commentaries that will probably follow..haaa, will just prove my point that some peoples were just born to be losers..). PROVE TO THE WORLD THAT YOU CAN CHANGE! PROVE THAT sLAVS ARE NOT A NATION THAT JUST OFFERS PUSSIES FOR FOREIGN MEN! BECAUSE THAT IS DISGUSTING! THAT IS A LOSER POSITION!!..and those stupid colored eggs, and those stupid dresses.( see do not take me wrong..they are just some eggs.and those dresses..well.. it used to be part of the culture..but to expect to earn world respect and admiration..with THAT..?? .)
cms  
28 Feb 2016 /  #37
Last night when watching TVP i noticed that these cursed soldier things are being sponsored bt PZU, PKO and PGNiG. like in Hungary, these businesses are now being treated as extensions of the state - totally direspectful for shareholders like myself to see our cash spent on party political works.

Still i will be getting my 500 zloty in April, I have no doubt about that because Mrs Szydlo promised it. i trust her very much and obviously I realize that first they have important matters like changing the management of stud farms to handle.
peterweg  
28 Feb 2016 /  #38
It would make far more sense to offer a larger tax free amount for those with children - offering 500zł extra tax free a month per child would be a far fairer programme and would encourage people to work.

Outside the cities, people are earning less that 2400pln. For example my brother in law earns 1600pln per month and his wife 1200pln part time. 1000/month from a second child would make it viable replacement for her wage and maybe instrumental in the deciding if they should have another child. Also, 2400pln is much more that many people earn and obviously a mother would need/prefer to stay at home after birth.

(50 word quote limit is ridiculous)
Chemikiem  
28 Feb 2016 /  #39
It's still unfunded

I didn't know that. I read that it's due to start in July in this FT article :-

ft.com/cms/s/0/c8837faa-d6fd-11e5-969e-9d801cf5e15b.html#axzz41S1oUEKj
delphiandomine  
28 Feb 2016 /  #40
1000/month from a second child would make it viable replacement for her wage and maybe instrumental in the deciding if they should have another child.

It's not 1000/month from the second child - it's only 500. The first child gets nothing. More to the point, wouldn't it be absolutely insane to have a second child on the basis of a social policy which is well known to be financially reckless, even in the eyes of the Ministry of Finance? They would need to have three children to almost replace her wage - what would they do when the government turns round and says that the programme is getting scrapped as it hasn't achieved the desired effect?

Outside of the cities, even a couple on minimum wage are over the limit for 1 child. The programme isn't going to encourage anyone with even something resembling a brain to have a second, because it's obvious that the government is relying on the LTE cash, the bank tax and the retail tax to even cover the cost of it this year. With Morawiecki already suggesting that the government could change the programme, you'd have to be seriously stupid to have a child on the basis of this.
cms  
28 Feb 2016 /  #41
Oh, there will be no trouble raising the cash from the LTE - I'm sure investors will be forming a line round the block to buy that - of course there is no danger of this government scaring people away with say arbitrary taxes or making someone totally unqualified the telecoms minister or the regulator.
delphiandomine  
28 Feb 2016 /  #42
I don't remember what it was, but isn't there some issue with the awarding of the LTE licence that's now gone to court? Either way, the government doesn't have the money needed. And the LTE cash only covers half of the money needed for this year - next year, there's no LTE cash and yet the programme needs to be funded...

On the good side, PiS are likely to wreck finances to the point where the only solution will be a huge privatisation effort in 2019-2023. Works for me.
pweeg3  
28 Feb 2016 /  #43
Outside of the cities, even a couple on minimum wage are over the limit for 1 child

You are missing the point that only one parent would be working after birth.

wouldn't it be absolutely insane to have a second child on the basis of a social policy which is well known to be financially reckless

Its hard to bring in a benefit like this but almost impossible to remove.
delphiandomine  
28 Feb 2016 /  #44
You are missing the point that only one parent would be working after birth.

That pretty much guarantees poverty in old age, and furthermore means that the woman in question is going to struggle to rejoin the labour market if the 500+ programme gets cut. You'd have to be - frankly speaking - a moron to rely on this programme instead of normal employment. PiS have a strong habit of breaking the word and then telling people that they 'misunderstood' them, after all.

Its hard to bring in a benefit like this but almost impossible to remove.

Oh, it will be very easy. All it takes is a single media campaign pointing out the sheer and brutal injustice of wealthy Warsaw lawyers enjoying Michelin-starred dinners with the 500zł while showing a single mother on 1800zł/month netto getting nothing in a big city.
Polonius3  
28 Feb 2016 /  #45
enjoying Michelin-starred dinners

And here everyone thought that was a PO speciality starring the likes of Sikorski, Rostowski et al.
pweeg3  
28 Feb 2016 /  #46
while showing a single mother on 1800zł/month netto getting nothing in a big city.

It is ironic that I earn too much to receive childcare in the UK, but my wife will be entitled to it in Poland.

It begs the question, how will UK based parents with children in Poland be treated.
delphiandomine  
28 Feb 2016 /  #47
It is ironic that I earn too much to receive childcare in the UK, but my wife will be entitled to it in Poland.

Crazy, isn't it? I still can't work out why they didn't put an upper limit on it, though the cynical view is that this is a pro-Church policy and not pro-welfare.

It begs the question, how will UK based parents with children in Poland be treated.

As long as they can produce the documents needed, they'll get the cash. Two sets of PIT returns showing 0 income will do the trick nicely. I'm just waiting for the first stories to emerge of the Polonia in the UK abusing it on a grand scale.
Polonius3  
28 Feb 2016 /  #48
Crazy, isn't it

Too bad PO's 500 also for the first child wasn't accepted, right? Knowing you, you'd be the first on PF to come up with some clever excuse to defend that move. PO always good, PiS always bad. How innovative of you!?
mafketis  
28 Feb 2016 /  #49
Too bad PO's 500 also for the first child wasn't accepted, right?

Very fortunate that it didn't pass, it would be a terrible terrible idea. Cash payments are not a good way to grow the population (especially since that system could collapse at any time).

What would work much better would be tax breaks and guaranteed daycare (neither of which is of much interest to the current government since their spending policies mean ramping down on tax increases and improved access to daycare gives people more options which the government doesn't want them to have).
Grzegorz_  
28 Feb 2016 /  #50
Too bad PO's 500 also for the first child wasn't accepted, right?

It should be only for 2nd and 3rd child, to cut off Gypsies and other underclass "producers of children". It's not a welfare program but an investment program, to turn current 2+1 model into 2+2 and avoid importing millions of savages in the future, who (next to other... issues) would become a huge burden on the budget. The thing with taxes is that most of young families make so little that even 0 PIT would not help enough. The "rich" ? Perhaps top 10% shouldn't get it but on the other hand they contribute more than enough in taxes, so getting back a bit of it is a non-issue. Making it income based would generate additional administrative costs and opportunities for abuse.
Ironside  
28 Feb 2016 /  #51
It would make far more sense to offer a larger tax free amount for those with childre

Yes, it would make more sense.

I guess so ;) but still, whois you favourite, who do you have as your role model? ;)

I think that I'm too old to need 'role models'. I simply like to think that there a certain principles they and I find important and worthy of being adhered to.

So proud to be a Pole :)

A good thing to be sure as long as there is a wealth of knowledge and principles behind that feeling.
OP goofy  
29 Feb 2016 /  #52
A good thing to be sure as long as there is a wealth of knowledge and principles behind that feeling.

I do agree with that.

Comrade Miller on the subject of the Cursed Soldiers:

Since Comrade Miller was working in the PZPR for... quite a long time and his party SLD was pretty much the last fundament of the old power I am not really all that surprised to hear his opinion tbh, although obviously, nowadays he is hated by the modern left for his increasing right winged opinions..

" Curse Soldiers wanted a 3rd world war", " Communism wasnt that bad, every child was provideded educaion" etc are some of his statements througjhout theshort clip.

I totally agree with a lady that answered him - " Mr Prime Minister, you are are/were a member of the party that killed the Poles, Poles that have fought gallantly to free our Nation."


delphiandomine  
29 Feb 2016 /  #53
Goofy, instead of prattling on about the Cursed Soldiers, why don't you get off your lazy teenage behind and actually move to Poland if you want to be like them?

This country badly needs people to contribute to society - not just with taxes, but also with volunteering. You've got a PiS government and a PiS president, so there can be no excuses now. Nothing will change as long as "patriots" like you spend more time writing on the internet about patriotism than actually being patriotic.

Tell you what - in the summer holidays, I'll sort you out a placement in a project that works with children from disadvantaged backgrounds. You can come and teach them English and about Polish history, and in return, I'll sort out accommodation and food for you.

I'm serious about my offer - if you want Poland to change and to be a better place, let's do it. There's never enough people willing to work with such kids.
OP goofy  
29 Feb 2016 /  #54
You can come and teach them English and about Polish history, and in return, I'll sort out accommodation and food for you.

Sorry I'd not be comfortable working next to you ;)

I'll decide what t do with my life on my own ;) i know for a primitive mind patriotism is paying the taxes and picing up dog crap off the street, but for me in own image of patriotism, Patriotism can be just as much practcied outside the country of origin. I think history's on my side with this ;)
rozumiemnic  
29 Feb 2016 /  #55
he Goofy welcome back.
DD stop being so patronising. Goofy doesn't need y0u to validate his identity does he now?
delphiandomine  
29 Feb 2016 /  #56
i know for a primitive mind patriotism is paying the taxes and picing up dog crap off the street, but for me in own image of patriotism, Patriotism can be just as much practcied outside the country of origin.

So in other words, you're admitting that you're not a patriot at all. Don't worry Goofy, we understand that for you, British money is far more important than helping Poland. There were plenty of others like you in the past, and they have all one thing in common - they betrayed Poland for easy money. All those people that collaborated with the Soviet Union from 1945 onwards were motivated by cash, and they too thought they were patriots, just like you.

By the way, if you don't understand why picking up mess after your dog or paying taxes is patriotic, then it's exactly the reason why Poland is a dump compared to Switzerland. You'll learn one day, no doubt after someone sprays some graffiti over Grandma's walls and no local 'patriots' are willing to help her clean it.

Focus on the topic and not posters
OP goofy  
29 Feb 2016 /  #57
All those people that collaborated with the Soviet Union from 1945 onwards were motivated by cash, and they too thought they were patriots, just like you.

Flaming man that finds other men sexually attractive, spotted :DDDDDDD
delphiandomine  
29 Feb 2016 /  #58
Don't change the topic, Goofy.

We're talking about how Poland needs real patriots like yourself to come and pay taxes, pick up litter from forests and volunteer with our children.
gregy741  
29 Feb 2016 /  #59
our children.

your children? keep yr dirty hands off polish kids
Ironside  
29 Feb 2016 /  #60
Comrade Miller on the subject of the Cursed Soldiers

Honestly who cares what Miller thinks or says on the subject?

It should be only for 2nd and 3rd child, to cut off Gypsies and other underclass "producers of children".

Those kinds of benefits beg to be exploited and makes little sense. Tax free income, tax free work (no health insurance paid by employer) that what makes sense.

Last night when watching TVP i noticed that these cursed soldier things are being sponsored bt PZU, PKO and PGNiG. like in Hungary, these businesses are now being treated as extensions of the state - totally direspectful for shareholders like myself to see our cash spent on party political works.

If for you honoring Polish soldiers is a problem. I think they should pay off your shares in rubles, stick on your back a note - something you left behind- and then a trebuchet should be deployed to hurl your ass over the border to Russia. No returns.

you're admitting that you're not a patriot at all.

You should be the last person on Earth delph to give lesson in patriotism. Anyhow you are talking about social involvement which is and should be voluntary. You're purposefully narrowing patriotism to only that one facet, leaving out a civic engagement for example.

By the way, if you don't understand why picking up mess after your dog or paying taxes is patriotic

That is BS that leftie like you elevated to some kind of mantra. In those examples you are only following the law, nothing more and nothing less.

Developing a sense of responsibility for your surroundings and esthetics is entirely something else and cannot be narrowed to dog shyte.

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