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Struggling young Polish couple - try to solve their problem


pip  
20 Mar 2012 /  #151
i always found it interesting when i would see how much poles hated germans yet when they lived on the border of germany, they'd commute into germany to work because it paid better.

you hit the nail right on the head, there.
Avalon  
20 Mar 2012 /  #152
Exactly, there is no easy crock of gold anymore.

Yes, Labour out of power and now the bills have to be paid, as per usual. Only this time, its going to take a lot longer to sort the mess out.
milky  
20 Mar 2012 /  #153
Labour

Labour LOL,,,Are you saying that Tory Blaire is a lefty??

so if you're broke and live in poland, the best thing to do is just leave?

Yes,simple, just leave,that's what the Irish do/did when there's no work,hardly going to wait around for a Neo-Liberal government(FG,PO) to undo the damage done by the ultra, free-market economy. Fire putting out

fire.

what if you're doing just ok.

Then just stay,you jackass

why wouldn't you just stay where you are and continue to earn more and lead a better life?

Isn't that whats happening!!!!!!

i always found it interesting when i would see how much poles hated germans yet when they lived on the border of germany, they'd commute into germany to work because it paid better.

Why wouldn't the Poles have a problem with Germany??just like the Irish have a problem with the Brits. We(irish) still go and work there(UK). Money=food . I f it wasn't for German and Brit Imperialism , we'd be more independent.

i guess pride only goes so far when money is involved.

get off your high horse.
FUZZYWICKETS  
20 Mar 2012 /  #154
Move to Szczein and work in Germany

i saw that very often. the bordering cities are full of poles that commute in and out of Germany because they earn far more.

Then just stay,you jackass

wow.....really?

Isn't that whats happening!!!!!!

I'm questioning the statements that were made, not what is happening today. You're out of control, dude.

Why wouldn't the Poles have a problem with Germany??

You came here to vent. I came here to have an intelligent discussion. Pull your head out of your a$$ and read what I wrote.

BTW, you quoted a bunch of stuff that I wrote and put pip as the author. Try and be more careful next time you go into a rage and start spouting off garbage.
Ironside  
20 Mar 2012 /  #155
wow...

You are truly a tool fuzz.
gumishu  
20 Mar 2012 /  #156
if you leave......why would you come back? why wouldn't you just stay where you are and continue to earn more and lead a better life?

because Poland is very different country to live in when you've got your house built and some money to start a business Fuzzy (especially when you are Polish)

i saw that very often. the bordering cities are full of poles that commute in and out of Germany because they earn far more.

there are not so many cities nor towns on Polish German border to begin with - next - you can have a quite well paid job in service sector on the Polish side (as Germans often go to car mechanic and hair dresser to the Polish side because it's cheaper) - next - the German areas next to the Polish border are among those poorest in Germany with not so many jobs and high unemployment among Germans themselves - there is some strange result to this: Poles are buying up property on the German side of the border around Szczecin because it is a lot cheaper than on the Polish side and they commute back to Szczecin where they work or run businesses (this is not massive scale but it attracts attention)
Avalon  
20 Mar 2012 /  #157
Labour LOL,,,Are you saying that Tory Blaire is a lefty??

Thats what he pretended to the suckers that voted for him.

I f it wasn't for German and Brit Imperialism , we'd be more independent.

And look where your independence got you, a lifetime of servitude to the EU. You changed one master for another. The Irish could have said no to the EU but the lure of free, cheap money was too much to resist. Like Greece, the Irish are going to learn that there is no such thing as a free lunch. You may blame the government but its the people who elected them into office. Greece has had a third of it's debts written off while the Irish and Portuguese will be repaying their debt for generations, maybe that's why the young of these countries will have to migrate, they cannot see a future for themselves.

This artical today: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117065/House-price-boom-2012-Young-wait-longer-buy.html

puts forward a view that suggests young couples are going to have to wait longer to be able to afford to buy a home of their own, the same will happen in Poland. The alternative would be for the parents to release some of the equity in their own homes to help them. The Polish now have quite a good start in Life, free university (so no government loans to pay back), parents with little or no mortgage on their homes, all the Polish government needs to do is find a way to stimulate growth, outside investment and to help create jobs in the private sector. The stability here at the moment is one of the envy's of most of the European countries and I believe the quality of life is very good for myself and for my children, compared to say, the UK.

I agree that if you want the nice things in life more quickly, then the opportunities for earning large amounts of money (legally) in Poland are scarce, but if you are skill full and work hard, this is achievable. The main stream media promotes the idea that stories of celebrities ( I use this term very loosely) are the only newsworthy items worth printing. They set these people up as models for normal life and as such, young people are influenced into believing that they only have to get on "X-factor" or "stars in their eyes" to escape from drudgery of their existence. Nothing wrong with dreaming, but it puts pressure people who think this is normal.

Many of the people I know, started out with an idea of being better than the competition, the growth of their companies was not so much planned as forced upon them. When word of mouth gets around about the better service/product you offer, you have to take on more staff to cope with the extra work while making sure that the quality you started out to achieve is not compromised or delayed. This is where it gets tricky as many people do not like or are unable to handle responsibility, the more you have, the more money you earn, the more you change as a person. (Sometimes not for the better)

The young people of today will never, never have it as easy as my generation. If we did not like a job we could go out and virtually get another the same week, Friday night until Sunday night was a blur, mostly drinking and parties, football every Saturday no matter what part of the country your team was playing, new clothes every week to keep up with the fashion. OK, this was the UK, I cannot compare it with Poland but I have seen what the UK has now become and I want no part of it. I have never been a greedy person and have been happy to share with the workers I employed, but the more I shared, the more they wanted and took me for granted. You cannot be a boss and one of the boys at the same time.

There are no friends in business.

Be careful what you wish for.

Learn to be happy with the simple things in life, anything else is a bonus.
Barney  
20 Mar 2012 /  #158
You changed one master for another

That is freakily similar to what the great Socialist Connolly said.

It's true there is no such thing as a free lunch but the Irish did not eat for free the only people who did were the Bond holders mainly German, French, British and Swiss banks. These people don’t hold pension funds or control intergovernmental lending so refusing to pay them what they think they are due would not hurt the ordinary person. The financial guarantee they received (When they should have received nothing) was like all aspects of the "Free Market" totally immoral and corrupt.

Yes Ireland did exchange one set of fleecing Bastards for another with the free market mantra

“Privatise profit nationalise debt”
Avalon  
20 Mar 2012 /  #159
The financial guarantee they received (When they should have received nothing) was like all aspects of the "Free Market" totally immoral and corrupt.

And not one person appears before the courts. If I had run my company that way would I have been so lucky? The Irish people should refuse to pay as did the Icelanders. Ireland reported record exports for the past year, they would soon be out of trouble if they refused to pay for what amounted to the criminal fraud that was carried out in their name. Ireland still has to vote on the "fiscal union pact", but its expected that they will be bribed to say yes with the promise of lower debt repayments, ensuring the EU will forever be involved with Irish taxation rates set by unelected officials in Brussels.

Legalised theft to prop up a currency that only benefits a few countries. With all the money still owed, there will be little point in ever holding elections again.
Barney  
20 Mar 2012 /  #160
And not one person appears before the courts. If I had run my company that way would I have been so lucky?

So true, Bondholders gambled and lost they should not be paid and local corrupt elected officials should be jailed.

The people in power now are desperate to avoid a referendum especially since the last opinion polls were published however there is not much they can do to avoid it. Though the country is quite conservative the people understand that it’s not Ireland’s debt but a manufactured debt to some faceless institutions. How it looks like is contracts rewritten on a take it or leave it basis, 20-30% pay cuts, add an other 30 euros to visit the doctor and so on

If this is passed Ireland will have generations of austerity.
FUZZYWICKETS  
20 Mar 2012 /  #161
You are truly a tool fuzz.

"tool" ironside? good one. which Hollywood movie did you take that one from?

hey ironside, do you have an american passport?

gumishu wrote:

because Poland is very different country to live in when you've got your house built and some money to start a business Fuzzy

so not being poor is different than being poor. ok.
TheOther  
20 Mar 2012 /  #162
It's true there is no such thing as a free lunch but the Irish did not eat for free the only people who did were the Bond holders mainly German, French, British and Swiss banks.

Was Ireland forced to take the money? If anyone is to blame, then the Irish politicians.
Krakman  
21 Mar 2012 /  #163
Oh yea ,,your the guy who thinks it's much easier to purchase a house in Poland than in England,,,lol....your opinion is worthless

Funnily enough, nobody produced figures to disprove that theory. If you believe it's more difficult to acquire property in Poland, then why do you live in Poland?? I can't see what's so difficult about buying a flat in Poland!! I regularly see small flats available for as little as 60,000zl. How difficult would that be to save, especially for a working couple?? Don't come back with some BS about 1500zl a month (unless they're cleaning floors), and if that's the case, they need educating/training in a field which offers better opportunities.
Meathead  
21 Mar 2012 /  #164
I agree with f stop, property ownership is the ideal of yesteryear.

I see you have drank the kool-aid. Renting is for short term living only! Rent is not a long term solution. With home ownership you get equity that you don't get with rent. With ownership you are responsible for the repairs. Rent and try to get your landlord to fix something, lots of luck. Over time housing should appreciate, all you're going to get with rent is ... rising rents. The Middle Class in America gets its wealth from land ownership, make no mistake about that.

What is said for Ireland can be said for Poland. Both countries are not generating their own wealth. All their income is from out of country corporations in search of cheap labor. Internal businesses and innovation is not occuring, both countries are losing their best and brightest to emigration because of lack of opportunity and low wages. Poland and Ireland's futures are still in flux.
jasondmzk  
21 Mar 2012 /  #165
I see you have drank the kool-aid. Renting is for short term living only! Rent is not a long term solution.

If by "drinking the kool-aid", you mean I've gained my wisdom through experience, than yes. But I don't think you do. Believe it or not, not everyone wants to live in the same place for the rest of their lives. If trading in your personal freedom for sense of equity-based security is enough for you, than I assume you and I don't share the same joie de vivre. Your point about "trying to get the landlord to fix something" is topically funny, because just last night my wife had an issue with the oven after-hours, and maintenance came over immediately and remedied the problem. Trying to recoup money invested in property isn't a sure bet, and it's not on a timetable you can base other fiscal decisions around. You can find a place you enjoy, and when you no longer enjoy it, or get the wanderbug, you may simply leave when renting. When my wife and I return to Poland for our daughter's first year of school, we will have nothing to do but pack.
FUZZYWICKETS  
21 Mar 2012 /  #166
there are not so many cities nor towns on Polish German border to begin with

this is such a weird statement. there are SO many towns within easy driving distance to Germany along the Polish border and many right on the border. hundreds of thousands of poles could easily commute to germany for work, from their homes.

you can have a quite well paid job in service sector on the Polish side (as Germans often go to car mechanic and hair dresser to the Polish side because it's cheaper)

huh? you mean like.......paint nails or cut hair for a living? how much does a car mechanic earn or a hair dresser in some little polish town on the german border?

the German areas next to the Polish border are among those poorest in Germany with not so many jobs

poorest in germany still pays euro. i was just having this conversation with a polish woman last month. she's a school teacher earning crap money in poland and they're closing up schools near her because quite honestly, poles aren't having children and the schools are empty. she owns a car so now she's considering looking for work in germany cleaning houses because she said she'd earn nearly 3 times as much. true story.....just sayin'.
factsnotfiction  
21 Mar 2012 /  #167
this is such a weird statement. there are SO many towns within easy driving distance to Germany along the Polish border and many right on the border. hundreds of thousands of poles could easily commute to germany for work, from their homes.

They could. Except - there is no work in Eastern Germany. It's still economically depressed, and the unemployment figures are far healthier on the Polish side than on the German side. Therefore - what would they be commuting for, when even Germans can't find jobs there?

huh? you mean like.......paint nails or cut hair for a living? how much does a car mechanic earn or a hair dresser in some little polish town on the german border?

Quite a bit, actually. If you go to any border town, you can see very busy hairdressers, shops, etc - they can easily charge higher than normal Polish prices while still making a good bit of money. They aren't quite earning German salaries, but they're usually earning much better than those in comparable small towns inland.

poorest in germany still pays euro.

That means nothing if there's no jobs to pay Euro. Ask yourself - why are flats in Frankfurt (Oder), Gubin (or is it Guben? I never remember which is which) and Gorlitz are occupied by Poles, not Germans. The towns bordering the Odra are doing incredibly badly economically - Germans are even trying to find work in Poland rather than Germany.

she owns a car so now she's considering looking for work in germany cleaning houses because she said she'd earn nearly 3 times as much.

She might be considering it, but she's not going to find it. She's living in dreamland (and it shows that she has no real world experience) if she thinks that people will hire a Pole over a German in that part of the world.

I appreciate that you're looking at it from a pure "you can earn more in Germany", but the reality on the ground is that the Polish side of the Odra is doing far, far better than the German side.
Ironside  
21 Mar 2012 /  #168
nd the unemployment figures are far healthier on the Polish side than on the German side.

Still wages are much healthier on the German side than on the Polish side. Just saying - facts-not-fiction.

hey aren't quite earning German salaries, but they're usually earning much better than those in comparable small towns inland.

Because of customers from Germany, right ?

That means nothing if there's no jobs to pay Euro.

They get handsome benefits for unemployed.

Ask yourself - why are flats in Frankfurt (Oder), Gubin (or is it Guben? I never remember which is which) and Gorlitz are occupied by Poles, not Germans.

Because those flats on the German side of the border cost only fraction of flats in Poland.

She might be considering it, but she's not going to find it. She's living in dreamland (and it shows that she has no real world experience) if she thinks that people will hire a Pole over a German in that part of the world.

For that kind of job ie ****** job? Yeah! I'm sure she can find it. facts-not-fiction you are full of fiction you must be delph or Harry. In case I'm wrong they are like Laurens&Hardy on PF.

I appreciate that you're looking at it from a pure "you can earn more in Germany", but the reality on the ground is that the Polish side of the Odra is doing far, far better than the German side.

You mean German side of the Oder ? In a sense of immediate area ?You may be right in a way but still they got better infrastructure and of course if you are omitting Berlin !
factsnotfiction  
21 Mar 2012 /  #169
Still wages are much healthier on the German side than on the Polish side. Just saying - facts-not-fiction.

That's if you're one of the fortunate ones who can find work. With 20% unemployment in FFO and similar disaster stories elsewhere, high wages mean nothing if there's no work.

Because of customers from Germany, right ?

Indeed. But these customers are usually ones with money - poor Germans, usually quite nationalist, won't go across the border.

They get handsome benefits for unemployed.

You need to work to get them first, and they're time limited.

Because those flats on the German side of the border cost only fraction of flats in Poland.

Indeed. All about supply and demand.

You mean German side of the Oder ? In a sense of immediate area ?You may be right in a way but still they got better infrastructure and of course if you are omitting Berlin !

The infrastructure might be better, but what use is it if no-one can pay for it there?

Berlin is an equal mess. The city is bankrupt, they have huge unemployment - it's not the paradise that tourists think it is. The disaster with the S-Bahn says it all.
Barney  
21 Mar 2012 /  #170
Was Ireland forced to take the money?

Ireland didn't take money yet the population have to pay for unsecured loans to individuals and banks.
FUZZYWICKETS  
21 Mar 2012 /  #171
Therefore - what would they be commuting for, when even Germans can't find jobs there?

they'd be commuting for the jobs that Germans don't want to do that will still pay better than what they're earning in Poland. If you're in a position where you're considering going to Germany to find work, you are definitely going to earn more than your crappy job in Poland.....or lack thereof.

Quite a bit, actually. If you go to any border town, you can see very busy hairdressers, shops, etc - they can easily charge higher than normal Polish prices while still making a good bit of money.

not buying it.

For that kind of job ie ****** job? Yeah! I'm sure she can find it. facts-not-fiction you are full of fiction you must be delph or Harry.

you might be on to something.
milky  
21 Mar 2012 /  #172
I regularly see small flats available for as little as 60,000zl.

hahaha..How small,give us a laugh, show us a link for 60'000 zloty flats in Poland. You regularly see small flats,,,,how small,,big enough for a couple of smurfs.

your theory doesn't need to be disproved as it is just BS
Krakman  
22 Mar 2012 /  #173
hahaha..How small,give us a laugh, show us a link for 60'000 zloty flats in Poland. You regularly see small flats,,,,how small,,big enough for a couple of smurfs.

Then again, what are the requirements of a young couple?? As their current situation is classed as 'struggling', then I don't think they have the right to refuse any flat. Shopping around sensibly could buy a 1 bedroom or studio flat (30 - 40m2). They could build from there without having a mortgage or rent to worry about. If that means commuting to work then so be it.

your theory doesn't need to be disproved as it is just BS

Have you thought about working/studying as a physicist?? Your ability to analyse data and arrive at a balanced conclusion is extraordinary. Your conclusion of 'BS' is particularly thought-provoking. I wonder, is that some kind of advanced mathematical/scientific equation?
FUZZYWICKETS  
22 Mar 2012 /  #174
big enough for a couple of smurfs.

hahahahahaha.

could buy a 1 bedroom or studio flat (30 - 40m2

i simply can't imagine living in that. i think my living room is that big.

i'd say that this couple is hitting the same snag most young couples are hitting these days in poland.....they have to pay for where they live. the few that are fortunate enough to have flats/houses given to them by their parents because of good ole' commie times are in a totally different situation.
Avalon  
22 Mar 2012 /  #175
A mortgage would probably be cheaper than renting.
Krakman  
23 Mar 2012 /  #176
i simply can't imagine living in that. i think my living room is that big.

Tell that to wealthy professionals in London, who regularly pay 7 figures GBP for such flats. Apparently the bubble is in Poland (according to at least one individual).

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