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Its strange that there arent many Poles who live in the UK on this Forum


derek trotter 10 | 203  
19 Dec 2009 /  #31
you guys ( not all Poles ) behave like medieval Jews, come to host country and dry its resources, no integration, no English, stick to your own just like those Jews. Shame on you.

To this guy enkidu, you have no right to put an avatar with Polish nobility coat of arms cos you don't think like one.
Nika 2 | 507  
19 Dec 2009 /  #32
you guys ( not all Poles ) behave like medieval Jews, come to host country and dry its resources, no integration, no English, stick to your own just like those Jews. Shame on you.

oh yeah, no English? And like we are posting in which language on this forum? In Swahili?

Because you think that the British people, living here in PL, would be able to post here in Polish? I don't think so, the only person I would imagine posting in PL is Seanus.
derek trotter 10 | 203  
19 Dec 2009 /  #33
Seanus, put some your input in Polish, nice long ( a couple of sentences ) in Polish please
jonni 16 | 2,485  
19 Dec 2009 /  #34
why the British people living in PL post on an English speaking forum and not on a PL speaking one?

Some of us do that too:-)
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
19 Dec 2009 /  #35
A sheep and one or two others can somehow communicate in Polish but most can't.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
19 Dec 2009 /  #36
Can somehow communicate? Do you know how that sounds? Give me some time with Russian and I'd get to grips with it too. No offence but your language isn't quite Japanese.

Trotter, I'd be glad too but this forum is in English so you know what to do....
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595  
19 Dec 2009 /  #37
Polish people here - are just a gesture of goodwill. We even talk to each other in English on this forum as we consider it polite this way. Nonetheless - it's uncomfortable.

I also know that several Poles write and read here to practice their English.
noreenb 7 | 557  
19 Dec 2009 /  #38
enkidu And the answer is simple - we prefer to participate in Polish language forums without any interference from the strangers.

For me the participation of strangers is very important. Well, among many Poles's flaws one is for sure (I know it's a genaralisation again) not listening to others (well, I hope it concerns a minority of people from my country), because of simple stubbornness and a kind of "pride".

derek trotter
you guys ( not all Poles ) behave like medieval Jews, come to host country and dry its resources, no integration, no English

My friend spend over 5 years in the UK and she said that in fact many Polish people keep themselves to themselves very often. She also said that although not being integrated very much with British people, they don't support each others as much as people from other nationalities, who work or live in UK.

Dry its resources? Well, it wasn't kind... They give their work, afford, sweat, engagement, pierogi :) and you help them very often to survive... Survive means often ... really survive...
derek trotter 10 | 203  
19 Dec 2009 /  #39
well, if they struggle its obvious they have no chance, time or desire to learn.
frd 7 | 1,401  
19 Dec 2009 /  #40
Polish people here - are just a gesture of goodwill.

Nonetheless - it's uncomfortable.

Just to straighten it up, enkidu didn't speak for all of us Poles in here ;) I'm participating in the forums because I like the language and there's not much place to train writing/reading skills in this manner anywhere else. I can always catch some new words and I'm always curious about what foreigners think about Poland.
noreenb 7 | 557  
19 Dec 2009 /  #41
I am here because of the same reasons. And I just adore English.

As for Poles who don't participate in discussions: they lose a lot. I find most of topics here extremely fascinating. But maybe they just don't know that webside like this one exists. Well, it can also mean that they don't look for it.
Floripa 3 | 39  
19 Dec 2009 /  #42
I didn’t realize that this forum becomes quite lively at this time of night. I understand that PF is for anyone that wants to talk about Poland; the common language is English…OK. If it wasn’t, there’d be 5 cats here and not much else.

It’s not about if we talk English or Polish it’s about a common ground and we need a common language, it just happens that English is it. Polish people in the UK will use another forum because it requires other questions and answers. Polish people here are looking for other things, it doesn't matter what they are.....really it doen't matter.
Nika 2 | 507  
20 Dec 2009 /  #43
Well, it can also mean that they don't look for it.

agreed but on the other hand, why would a Pole look for a website about life in Poland in English????
Floripa 3 | 39  
20 Dec 2009 /  #44
Exactly, it wouldn't make sense. Some people just look for a confrontation, nothing more.
noreenb 7 | 557  
20 Dec 2009 /  #45
Nika
why would a Pole look for a website about life in Poland in English???

People who worked abroad often start to have different point of view about Poland. Foreigners's outlook is also different. For me, just after two weeks holidays abroad, Poland seemed to be a bit sad country with many sad people in the contrary to (for example) UK.

While reading some posts I can see more clearly differences among people's approach to many matters. Also among nationalities. It's a fascinating lesson.
Nika 2 | 507  
20 Dec 2009 /  #46
It's a fascinating lesson.

that is true.
I like to see how different are people's reactions, depending on their nationality.
Floripa 3 | 39  
20 Dec 2009 /  #47
Poland seemed to be a bit sad country with many sad people in the contrary to (for example) UK.

Wow.... you know you're generalizing

For me, just after two weeks holidays abroad,

You've said it all.
noreenb 7 | 557  
20 Dec 2009 /  #48
Floripa

"Seemed" and "a bit" means my "impression" I had after coming back.
Floripa 3 | 39  
20 Dec 2009 /  #49
I realize that Noreenb, but you are still generalizing. “Seemed” and “impression” are exactly that. I understand what you want to say but you cannot generalize over a nation. It’s not done. I know it’s an opinion but you can’t do that. You can mention your experience but you should use your words more precisely, define more your thoughts. It comes across as being very ambiguous.

Poland is no different than anywhere else when it comes to its inhabitants. Sad they are not, but then we all have bad days no?
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
20 Dec 2009 /  #50
For me, just after two weeks holidays abroad, Poland seemed to be a bit sad country with many sad people in the contrary to (for example) UK.

Trust me the English have similar views when they spend time out of England, I realised how dirty England was when I got back from other Europeans countries, I also notice other things that make me realise what a crap hole England is, but its my crap hole and for and good and bad its my country and I love it.

As for Polish people and forums, I think people are more comfortable when the communicate in their own language, its easier and its what comes natural.

I understand what you want to say but you cannot generalize over a nation.

Why not? People do it all the time. She also said "for me" so she was not being ambiguous she was precise in what she was conveying.
noreenb 7 | 557  
20 Dec 2009 /  #51
Floripa
Yes, you are right. I understand what you meant.

To some extend ;) My opinions are imho ;) just my opinions (too tired and don't have much invention with finding new words in memory ;). But yes, now I can see that it can be ambiguous.

Being not very long after my English exam I would risk a statement that using " It's widely believed, It's probably true to say, It's generally agreed, It's often claimed that, etc suggest generalising which is also valuable to some extend.

But thanks for an interesting point :)
Floripa 3 | 39  
20 Dec 2009 /  #52
Why not? People do it all the time. She also said "for me" so she was not being ambiguous she was precise in what she was conveying

Just because people do it all the time doesn’t make it right. “for me” is not ambiguous but the subject is, You cannot be precise when commenting over the whole population of a nation…it’s ludicrous. I repeat what I said before, I know what Noreenb wants to say, it’s just the way it’s worded, nothing else.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
20 Dec 2009 /  #53
Just because people do it all the time doesn’t make it right.

Then tell all the men on this forum that, I get sick of hearing about how rotten English women are, how fat we are how this and that...It happens, its part of life.

You cannot be precise when commenting over the whole population of a nation…it’s ludicrous

It is, but most of the stuff posted on this forum is.

I repeat what I said before, I know what Noreenb wants to say, it’s just the way it’s worded, nothing else.

She said it from her perspective, nothing more, I think everyone would have understood that this was her view and nothing more, if not then they have problems understanding basic English.

The thing I enjoy about listening to Polish people with an excellent grasp of English is, that they use words that a lot of us natives have taken for granted and stopped using, but I also find it quite sad as an English person, because it shows how lazy the English have become and how some are quite inarticulate when faced with an inteligent conversation with someone whose language isnt even English.
Floripa 3 | 39  
20 Dec 2009 /  #54
I couldn't agree with you more Amathyst. Noreenb has shown in her last post that she a better grasp of the English language, than half of the dim wits that are on this forum. For that reason I didn't want to over emphasis the wording of what she wanted to say, rather the context of the discussion. Which ever way you look at it, those people that have made an effort to learn and understand English to a level were they can hold a debate on a forum deserve all our respect.
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
20 Dec 2009 /  #55
we prefer to participate in Polish language forums without any interference from the strangers

speak for yourself

Polish people here - are just a gesture of goodwill. We even talk to each other in English on this forum as we consider it polite this way. Nonetheless - it's uncomfortable.

ha ha... oh yes polishforums, i'm doing you a favour by being courteous and kindly writing in English even though it's *uncomfortable* to me. i like diversity and i like spending time with and getting to know the people around me instead of searching for a Polish community and pretending i live in Poland. i suppose it's just a funny coincidence that almost everytime i speak to someone Polish, be it online or in real life, they only wanna know about work, money, benefits etc. anyway matey, stick to your forums where foreigners are not tollerated even though they are your host, that is such a typical mentality for you people, isolate yourselves and dwell on your misery of living amongst 'brytole'.

back to what you said though, i feel a 100 more times comfortable speaking to Brits than i do to other Poles, as in so many cases Poles have hidden intentions and probably want something from you, especially when they know i lived here for 5 years. so there.

i've learnt so much during the 2 years on this forum, my written English is much more fluent now. i also met some nice people (none in person yet though), had a lot of help and offered my help when i could, laughed my head off and generally it's a good time killer. it's a nice little community and i wouldn't swap it for any monotonic Polish speaking forum.

There are those that both type a lot on the forum and enjoy nights out. I believe JustysiaS is one of those.

i do like my nights out and nights in :)
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
20 Dec 2009 /  #56
Which ever way you look at it, those people that have made an effort to learn and understand English to a level were they can hold a debate on a forum deserve all our respect.

Absolutely, I particularly enjoy the wit displayed by a few of the Polish forum members rather than crudeness..I have to say Im quite guilty of the former, but as I stated, it is rather more to do with lazyness than lack of vocabulary.

back to what you said though, i feel a 100 more times comfortable speaking to Brits

What can I say a woman with impecable taste! :D
enkidu 7 | 623  
20 Dec 2009 /  #57
JustysiaS
Don't get so high, please. All I want to say - that it's always more comfortable to speak in mother tongue. If you feel more comfortable speaking in your second language - well... congratulations. :-)

Somebody asked a question: why there are so little Poles on this forum? I think I gave the answer.
And calm down, please. There is no British forum where British people would discuss British matters in Polish language, isn't it? Simply because this is a little ... unnatural if may I say. :-) It may be source of joy and wisdom (as PF sometimes) but it simply doesn't exist.

Personally I find other question more interesting. Why there is so many English-speakers without any connection with Poland, who wants to discuss a matters regarding our small and little-known country?
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
20 Dec 2009 /  #58
If you feel more comfortable speaking in your second language - well... congratulations.

i feel equally comfortable at speaking both, it's just some people i have a problem with. i have lots of Polish friends don't get me wrong, we're having a proper Wigila here in England this year. i simply am more cautious about meeting new Polish people who seem to only be interested in what they can gain from knowing you. plus none of the British people i met had anything bad to say about the Poles, and even if they did admit to disliking the fact they alienate themselves so much, they would always praise our working ethic.

There is no British forum where British people would discuss British matters in Polish language, isn't it?

we have a few threads here where English people practice their Polish, not so sure about a whole forum dedicated just to that though. so it is not unheard of, and using a foreign language in practice is the best way to learn. English is a more universal language, not everybody who wasn't born in Poland had the opportunity to learn Polish fluent enough to discuss with the natives.

Why there is so many English-speakers without any connection with Poland, who wants to discuss a matters regarding our small and little-known country?

Poland is not such a little known country anymore. i am sure there are many forums dedicated to other countries just like this one where people discuss - in English - about their customs and people.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
20 Dec 2009 /  #59
You are a gem, Justy. A rare breed that doesn't constantly harp on about the need to have Polish language as the main one. People like enkidu only want to hear inane drivel about work, money and the self-piteous woes of the day. It would appear that he doesn't care too much about a more international perspective on 'things Polish'.

Quite a few native speakers here have Polish connections, enkidu, and it was stupid of you to just assume otherwise. Have you looked at a map, lately? I think you'll find that Poland is at least twice as big as GB. 'A matters'? What's it to be, one or many? As much as you'd like to think it isn't, Poland is very much a country of discusssion in some circles. Many have Polish roots.

Justy, as ever, is right. In my experience here in Poland, given a chance for open and non-directed conversation, it isn't long before the gripes and groans about money set in. Is that what you want, enkidu? Look around the forum and see the variety, a variety that Poland and Poles are very slowly realising. I can't have many serious discussions with quite a few in Poland as they don't know things which are common knowledge to most other countries in the world. The number of blank faces I have received which almost made me fall over is incredible! This is not the fault of many Poles due to limited travel and exposure opportunities under communism but too many have been slow off the mark.
time means 5 | 1,309  
20 Dec 2009 /  #60
You are a gem, Justy.

True, a wise head on such young shoulders. The last two post she has posted on this thread really stand out.

As we say "up North" seems like a really nice lass!

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