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(NO RASISM OR STEREOTYPING BTW) WHO IS POLISH IN THE UK AND ON BENEFITS?


ihatepolish111  
2 Feb 2009 /  #1
i would like to hear from you on your opinions about the system
cjjc 29 | 408  
2 Feb 2009 /  #2
I've never met one Polish person in the UK claiming benefits.

Please why don't you tell us about YOUR opinions of the 'system'.
OP ihatepolish111  
2 Feb 2009 /  #3
k then. the system is far to easy for immigrants to gain money. even though they are ''allowed" it, its still wrong. like the housing waiting list. they are put above british natives. its screwed up
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
2 Feb 2009 /  #4
ihatepolish111

Welcome to the forums - why not tell us a bit about yourself ?
Any connection to Poland ?
OP ihatepolish111  
2 Feb 2009 /  #5
nope not at all
im pleased to say
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
2 Feb 2009 /  #6
So whats upsetting you ? Polish immigrants taking jobs etc ?
Use the search box in the top right of the screen - most angles have been covered before.
OP ihatepolish111  
2 Feb 2009 /  #7
kk thx
it just outrages me that my family is worse off because of polish
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
2 Feb 2009 /  #8
t just outrages me that my family is worse off because of polish

How come ?
szarlotka 8 | 2,208  
2 Feb 2009 /  #9
it just outrages me that my family is worse off because of polish

No - your family is worse off because your government agreed to let A8 workers come to the UK and signed up to the expansion of the EU.
OP ihatepolish111  
2 Feb 2009 /  #10
they may have let them come here , but if they didnt take the jobs, my family wouldnt be worse off
childwithin 8 | 136  
2 Feb 2009 /  #11
what can you do? Btw. I found a nice essay on racism in the UK):

Growing up and living in Kensington, London, UK, I have seen some of the mechanisms of segregation firsthand. Unlike some areas of London, this area is very convenient, quiet and has a good reputation that has been maintained for years. Therefore, whereas it is not a neighborhood where one can see the segregating forces of gentrification at work, it is a place where segregation's historical processes are very much ingrained. This situation has resulted in redlining being widely accepted, as people think of the neighborhood as separate and distinct from a place that could have upward mobility for loan recipients. Blockbusting is not an issue because the market values in Kensington tend to go up rather than be forced down artificially.

If the market does go down, there is potential for panic peddling in Kensington because many of the people there are unfamiliar with immigrant communities, and are scared of them as a result. Kensington represents one of the original white flight locations to be nearer to market gardens; it is overwhelmingly white, and also affluent. As for fighting, I have never seen a physical altercation in Kensington, only verbal. People in Kensington tend to be well-educated and occupy positions with some amount of power in society. The homes in Kensington tend to be on the large side, and are mostly multi-family dwellings, even when the families in these dwellings are generally small (fewer than two children on average). The long-time residents of Kensington tend to exhibit a superior attitude towards outsiders, including non-whites.

Shawn_H  
2 Feb 2009 /  #12
so are you saying im stupid

It would appear so.

they may have let them come here , but if they didnt take the jobs,

Ah yes, they should have come, not gotten jobs and applied directly for welfare.
szarlotka 8 | 2,208  
2 Feb 2009 /  #13
they may have let them come here , but if they didnt take the jobs, my family wouldnt be worse off

Oh right - so they were supposed to come here to do what other than work then?

Immigration is a result of government policy. Don't like it? Elect a party that will rein in immigration then - but don't blame the Polish or the Czechs or the Estonians. Most of them work here, often doing jobs that the Brits wouldn't do and the vast majority pay tax & NI into our economy. Yes there are immigrants milking the benefits system, just as there are countless thousands of bone idle Brits who have been doing it for far, far longer. Most of the immigrants milking the system are not from central Europe anyway.

at least if britons are milking the system they are milking there own country's system

No dear, they're milking the friggin hard work of the people of this country who do get up in the morning and work hard. I'm pissed off supporting layabouts to be honest, irrespective of what country they come from.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
2 Feb 2009 /  #14
I'm pissed off supporting layabouts to be honest, irrespective of what country they come from.

Actually i have a question about British Immigration policy.
Since 2004 when the new E.U. countries were legally allowed to work in your country, a right given to them by your government.
Have the restrictions on other non-E.U. immigration become stricter?.
I would assume they have but you can never assume anything when it is governmental.
szarlotka 8 | 2,208  
2 Feb 2009 /  #15
Have the restrictions on other non-E.U. immigration become stricter?.

The new points system is designed for just this reason SeanBM. Up until now I would say it has become easier for non EU migrants as the system of appeals, assylum etc has just been creaking at the seams.
MrBubbles 10 | 614  
2 Feb 2009 /  #16
it just outrages me that my family is worse off because of polish

ihatepolish, despite what you write, you seem a reasonably intelligent person who genuinely wants to know what's going on. The economics of a country is a very complicated thing to discuss and few people really understand it.

Anyone who claims they do understand the system is lying to you, and it's usually because they have an agenda. Taking screwups with complicated systems like the stock market, the banking system, trade, world employment trends and so on and than blaming it on the Poles / Jews / Arabs etc is sick because they play on people's ignorance and legitimate fears to win power.

Migrant labour has kept many areas of the British economy afloat for the last few years - the British economy's been fucked for a while now and it's only been cheap migrant labour that has kept it going (it's a miracle that a recession didn't hit before now).

Just think about this next time someone starts moaning about immigrants. Try to read more about the situation if you can because I'd hate to see you turning into one of those those ignorant fucks who join the BNP. Maybe mass immigration is wrong but at least you'll be able to speak against it with authority.
Lir  
2 Feb 2009 /  #17
Apart from the economic facts being totally fictional LOL :)
Cardno85 31 | 976  
2 Feb 2009 /  #18
I have to agree, well said MrBubbles.
time means 5 | 1,310  
2 Feb 2009 /  #19
ihatepolish111

does the hate extend to other migrants as well?

also a question for you. should a british native who has never worked or paid NI or tax receive benefits,house etc? if so why?

and why should poles or whoever, having worked over here and having paid into the system not be entitled?

and welcome back to Polishforum's resident bunny boiler. Who are you chasing now, weirdo? explain please mr bubbles?
Lir  
2 Feb 2009 /  #20
I thought the forums rules do not allow for personal insults ? I am not a resident bunny boiler (as you very commonly put it) . Your grasp of economic understanding is poor. One example, UK has relied on immigrant labour for a lot longer than a few years.

I think you are the strange one on here really, so which paper do you get your mind boggling economic data from? The Sun perhaps ?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
2 Feb 2009 /  #21
so are you saying im stupid and that i cant simply read a adults paper? just because you probably couldnt at my age, is no reason to suggest that i cant read it. i have a higher iq than you anyday!

From this comment and many like it, I can't help but think that this poster is a very young girl.
Which makes me think that it is her father/brothers who put these hateful thoughts into her undeveloped egg shell brain.
We all know children are sponges and soak up everything around them.
it saddens me that such a useful talent, soaking up, is wasted on such nasty things.
And she possibly even believes that all the things she writes are good and true and for the first time.
that her disillusioned father/brothers hate is justified, without her even thinking about it.
Some may argue, she came on here to find out but look again at her name, her mind has been preprogrammed, these are not ideas or opinions, merely regurgitation of a repeated phrase.

Sickening really but I have no proof that if I were born in her tiny shoes, that I would not do the exact same, on the contrary it seems we all would.

I am saying all this for the parents and parents to be, to say that I was given the tools to make decisions for myself and to see a future wothout hate, if I hadn't I would be exactly like this narrow minded little girl (in some ways).

Just something I wanted to mention/
MrBubbles 10 | 614  
2 Feb 2009 /  #22
UK has relied on immigrant labour for a lot longer than a few years.

Oh yes? How long is a few years then?

I am saying all this for the parents and parents to be, to say that I was given the tools to make drsicions for my self, if I gadn't i would be exactly like this narrow minded little girl (in some ways).

And sadly enough, this is the way most people in the world grow up. Parents watch the crap on the telly, and the schools feed you with nonsense you'll never need. Discussing intelligent topics is frowned on in the UK - socially accepted topics are footy, shagging and beer. This is the way the government likes it: a fragmented society with everybody looking out for number one, everyone suspicious of their brothers and sisters and nobody asking the right questions about the man.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
2 Feb 2009 /  #23
I can't help but get the feeling that you misunderstood what i meant.
Or perhaps I have misunderstood what you have meant.
Who knows we may even agree :)
Is discussing intelligent topics frowned on in the UK? to some extent of course but you are not saying that are you?.
MrBubbles 10 | 614  
2 Feb 2009 /  #24
I can't help but get the feeling that you misunderstood what i meant.

I don't think so. Most of the people who grew up in the UK with me went through the same upbringing. We told racist jokes to each other and parroted whatever was on the news at the time, when we watched it that is. My Polish father was hardly a good example, going on about jews, niggers and communists whenever he thought he'd impress people with his social awareness.

It's only now I realise how ignorant we all were. If I can see it, there must be others who do too but still, inexplicably, the cycle goes on because that's British society.

Whenever we got together for socially acceptable entertainment (an evening spending money in the pub) the topics would monotonously flick back and forth between shagging beer shagging clothes beer footy shagging as if we were part of one of those executive desk toys with the metal ball hanging over the three magnets. Any commentry about economy or society would be greeted with at best indifference and at worst hoots and catcalls before the pendulum swung back to footy.

Thank God I left that crap behind. They're probably still doing that every Friday
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
2 Feb 2009 /  #25
Thank God I left that crap behind. They're probably still doing that every Friday

Geeezz, sounds terrible, where was this, exactly?.

We can all find nobs in every country and racist stereo types but there are others also in each country, wouldn't you agree?.
Sounds like you got stuck with the wrong crowd but I don;t know of course, it is your life not mine.
I have tried (sometimes with limited success) to surround myself with people smarter than I am.
tretos - | 4  
5 Apr 2009 /  #26
Hello.

I'm Polish, living in UK 3 years now and in February I was made redundant from IT company, I am on Job seeker Allowance but When called them first time they ask so many questions about everything and then interview in Job centre and again questions, anyway, they said that I will get this. I have to come every two weeks to Job centrer and show and talk about what I was doing to find the job.

Fine, Great. I found the job, now just waiting for some paper work.
Anyway, I had a phone call from JC and they said that they are not gonna give me this benefits because of some missing papers, and I had another interview - milion questions like for Police check about everything in your life ! Why ? I'm still waiting for their decision.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
5 Apr 2009 /  #27
Exactly tretos, they treat you like dirt sometimes and needlessly so. Well done for putting up with the game and actively pursuing gainful employment. I was on JSA for a short time and feel it to be a system sound in principle. You have to show them that you are taking reasonable steps to procure employment. Still, it's onerous and the paperwork is tedious. I didn't like being in with some of the toerags there, looking for easy handouts.

I'm impressed with the favourable commentary of posters above. All the Scots I've talked to have a positive impression of the Poles there and feel that they slog hard. Looking for benefits of some description is natural, life is costly in the UK. It's not nice to live your life on hold, at the behest of others. Screw them!

Hard-working Poles are very welcome! They can contribute in a range of ways. Not least dentistry, industrial factory work and the hospitality industry. Everybody can find their place and make their mark. People laugh at Poles for doing menial work but we all chip into society in our own way.
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
5 Apr 2009 /  #28
my friend and her husband claim benefits on their kids but they both work full time so i don't see why they shouldn't. i don't claim anything, i don't have any illegitimate children and i'm not obese ha ha.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
5 Apr 2009 /  #29
I agree, Justy. Just as long as they are not illegally double-claiming as some did. Take what you can get but do it fairly.

Cheats are often caught. Unfortunately, this doesn't always extend to business.
tretos - | 4  
5 Apr 2009 /  #30
I wanted this benefits because I didn't know how long Im going to be without job but anyway, they didn't pay me yet, funny...

I've got the job now, but dont know when im gonna start because of CRB check. Anyway, on those JSA you cannot live so I would start any job just to have money to live.

I even registered in one temp agency where you can get job on next day - of course minimum pay - kitchen assistant - but its a job.

I don't understand what the problem if Im here 3 years working and paying taxes....

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