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Why do Poles come to England?


Mister H 11 | 761  
4 Nov 2009 /  #241
Have you recently changed your law, as I know many Irish and Polish people in England, living and working and none of them collect any benifits.
Wasn't there a thing where you had to work and pay taxes for two years or something?

I think things like child benefit and tax credits and anything linked to children can be claimed straight away (whether fresh of the boat or not). I think that you can go on the council housing list straight away too.

JSA and so on is only available if the person claiming has had 12 months continuous NI and tax payments.

I've dealt with a lot of Eastern Europeans through my job and some can barely speak English, but many are on benefits and are raking it in. Most of the benefits seem to be child related ones.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
4 Nov 2009 /  #242
I've dealt with a lot of Eastern Europeans through my job

Does your job deal with this kind of thing?
Are we talking about a large portion of Polish people there or just a minority of tricksters that will always abuse any system?

JSA and so on is only available if the person claiming has had 12 months continuous NI and tax payments.

Was it ever two years?
Mister H 11 | 761  
4 Nov 2009 /  #243
My jobs is not linked to benefits, I work for a bank and deal with people in debt. Therefore I have to go through people's income and expenditure to work out what they can afford to repay towards their debt with the bank.

That's how I can tell if someone is on benefits or not.

Is it is big "Polish" problem? I don't have any statistics, but comparing the percentage of the UK population that is Polish and the percentage of our bad debt book that is from Polish people, I would say it is a big problem yes.

Around a third of our bad debt book comes from foreign nationals. Are a third of the UK population foreign nationals ? No. Draw your own conclusions ;-)

I've also in the fairly recent past worked in credit card fraud and it was a very similar story there too.

It won't suit New Labour's rosey view of immigration, but some people do come here to rip us off.
derek trotter 10 | 203  
4 Nov 2009 /  #244
I think that you can go on the council housing list straight away too

with this statement you're showing complete lack of knowledge in the subject and simply burning off any of your credentials

I work for a bank and deal with people in debt.

You can't work in bank and be such stupid even when you're a simple clerk.
g60edition 6 | 175  
4 Nov 2009 /  #246
free car

Where from and how?where do I sign?
frd 7 | 1,401  
4 Nov 2009 /  #247
He probably meant that milking uk benefit system gives you enough money to have a house and a car.. :) it's even better in Sweden you can have two cars, two kids and a house for the money you get in benefits.. in Poland you can barely have a one room flat :o
Slawek076 - | 81  
4 Nov 2009 /  #248
Lady in red
Totally agree with you. If i can add something I would say English people think a little closer to the horse with googles on their eyes that allows them to look only ahead but they don't see they're not alone on the planet and that's why they think they're the best but they're not!
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
4 Nov 2009 /  #249
I think English people are quite able to look close to home, I know full well we have plenty of home grown British scroungers...Thats our problem, what I dont want is people coming over to take advantage of the systems that we have in place...By the way I dont think we are the best, but we're certainly better than some, why else would people flock here?
Slawek076 - | 81  
4 Nov 2009 /  #250
---Mister H---

I don't think Polish people do debts in your country. It is easy to say something about foreign citizens than about your own. I know many English people are in debts of thousand pounds on their credit cards. Polish rather do not take a large loans in your banks, do not cheat your mortgage system for terrible huge money that Polish couldn't even dream about. In my opinion the problem is in some part of English people. They think that their national treasure is neverending story and that they will be rich all the time, but unfortunately it's ended. Why it's simply, look at your history in the past. I know it's sad but it's time to work hard to build the future not only to consume! We Polish people want to help you with it but you trying to do everything what possible to not allow us to help you. Benefits, that's another thing. If you agreed for workers from Union Europe why not to pay them benefits if they pay you income taxes, work and live in your country. It was your choice not ours. So please do not blame others for it. If you think you are not a part of EU you should say good bye and keep your private life in your private hands, block all borders and assume others should do the same for you.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
4 Nov 2009 /  #251
Hmm...for abortions ;) ;)
Arien 3 | 721  
4 Nov 2009 /  #252
By the way I dont think we are the best, but we're certainly better than some, why else would people flock here?

I really don't think they're coming to your country because you're all so bloody wonderful? Financial reasons perhaps?

;)
Slawek076 - | 81  
4 Nov 2009 /  #253
Seanus
I'm just trying to say that we should work together on nowodays financial problems to find out. Why? As we know as today it is not possible to quarantine yourself from other countries and say i'm living on another planet. I don't think we are so much different in many ways or better from others. WE are really the same but we do not realise it yet. The past was the path of wars. We can not allow to follow that path in the future. We have got the same problems, we need food, money, even do sh.t and it's everywhere the same. We are just human beings and we should try to help each other not to try to drink others blood to satisfy own consumption. If we follow the war path we're earlier or later doomed and we can kiss all this .... and say good bye. Maybe next species on the planet will be more wise. AS you realise as we are living on one planet and nowodays in the age of information, tv, computers, fast travels and soon in the space age it's not possile to say English or Russian or Polish people are different and they haven't got the same bussiness to survive. We can do it only together. If we saty divided we can say good bye on the next World War 3. It will be the last one. Belive me. WE still can choose it's up to us. To work together or to die.
Arien 3 | 721  
4 Nov 2009 /  #254
Slawek076

I wholeheartedly agree with every word you've posted man!

:)
MareGaea 29 | 2,752  
4 Nov 2009 /  #255
Slawek076

Second that. You're the only one, it seems, that has listened to my grandmother :) Did you know her? Nah, guess not, if 76 is your birth-year, she was already dead before you were born.

Arien

If you're going to be a kiss-off, can't you put it in a better way than this? Like I did, for example?

:)

>^..^<

M-G (Arien is a kiss off)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
4 Nov 2009 /  #256
Didn't you mean to address Shelley rather than me, Sławek? All I said was that women come for abortions and I threw it lightly. It is a reality but I wasn't looking to enter into a discussion on it.

I also agree with what you said but the reality is that we do have widely varying cultural norms and views as to various things. Just look at the different ages of consent on different issues. There are fundamental differences but they are being addressed through unions and bi/tri/multilateral agreements.

The key word is balance. Variety keeps the spice in life :)
Arien 3 | 721  
4 Nov 2009 /  #257
If you're going to be a kiss-off, can't you put it in a better way than this? Like I did, for example?

I know life has to be hard when you need to drag down others to feel a bit better about yourself, and I guess I will let you, out of pity..

:)

A-J (Pity!)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
4 Nov 2009 /  #258
Is it is big "Polish" problem? I don't have any statistics, but comparing the percentage of the UK population that is Polish and the percentage of our bad debt book that is from Polish people, I would say it is a big problem yes.

How come there are no statistics?

On this particular point,
I must say,
I have been fortunate enough to come from a country that allows me to be able to work in other countries,
I have worked in England a few times.
I never took any benefits and paid taxes.
I am Irish and we have a history of emigration for centuries.
I'd love to tell you that all the Irish worked hard and contribute to the countries they went to work in but that would not be true.

There will always be a minority that abuse the system or even break the law.

The whole basis for the E.U., IMO is that we are meant to have a level playing field through out the member states. And although Poland's economy has come on leaps and bounds since joining back in 2004.

There has been a credit crunch and history shows us that instead of Governments and law enforcers holding those responsible for creating these problems, it is the immigrants who get blamed.
Slawek076 - | 81  
4 Nov 2009 /  #259
Seanus
that's right balance on whole planet not only in one country...

MareGaea
Please tell me what is wrong with listening older people? Trust me they're really right about many things they did wrong in the past but they would love to change. They can't. So, they're trying to advice us, young people. You still don't listen that's why many young people act like idiots because they just don't listen...but they should because it's our future, mine also. Fortunately, some of us listen. It's named respect not only for yourself but for others, especially for others.

Mister H
Say the same about middle-east nations like you're saying about Polish and you'll have a small home war because of their numbers in milions in the uk. Please treat Polish as friends not as enemy so they will treat you the same way. They really like you. I'm Polish and i like English people. Only some of them have got strange behaviour that they show around especially in current economic climat. Please don't be affraid of us. Let's try to sort this financial mess together. We helped you ones in 2nd Wolrd War and we didn't fail, but we must have a chance to show we are ok.
time means 5 | 1,309  
4 Nov 2009 /  #260
Not all of us. I’ve never been to Britain and have no plans to do so in the near future

Refused parole again, damm. Looks like that pint together will have to wait a little longer :-)
laddy - | 22  
4 Nov 2009 /  #261
We helped you ones in 2nd Wolrd War and we didn't fail, but we must have a chance to show we are ok.

forgive me if im wrong but didnt the war start when the nazis invaded poland? you helped us because you had to. if you didnt and hitler was victorious they would be no poland now
gumishu 11 | 5,993  
4 Nov 2009 /  #262
forgive me if im wrong but didnt the war start when the nazis invaded poland

it's useless to discuss the history in this manner - one might say that Poland could have allied with Hitler back in 1939 and give him free hand to attack France even earlier and then giving him a hand in the conquest of the Soviet Union - until early 1939 Hitler was quite willing to make Poland his partner (with some symbolic gestures from Poland like admitting Gdańsk/Danzig back to Germany and a exteritorial motorway) - then one might argue that Polish leaders only stood adamant to Hitler because they were given guarantees by France and the UK (spring 1939 reinforced in the late August) - Polish side must have expected opening the second front of the war immediately
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
4 Nov 2009 /  #263
it's useless to discuss the history in this manner -

It is.

Too many ifs and buts.

How about Hitlers attitute to Poles, do you think he would have been satisfied with old territories returned? Surely you remember his attitude to Poles?

Hitler because they were given guarantees by France and the UK (spring 1939 reinforced in the late August) - Polish side must have expected opening the second front of the war immediately

It takes time to mobilise an army. Arr what the hell we did nothing, all those lives lost were just a part of my imagination, Coventry being flattened by German bombs was just a dream...Manchester being bombed London being bombed, Liverpool being bombed...etc..do you know how much you disrespect those how lost their lives because they stood up to Hitler for a country they'd probably never of? :(

Back on topic...Im sure the vast majority of Polish people that come to England work hard and pay taxes etc...I would however actually be in favour of a permit system, so as to keep the scroungers out and that goes for all nationalities that come to the UK...Id also be in favour of a lower tax bracket and no NI contributions for said immigrants...on the condition that they dont have an access to schools or NHS...they would have access only to private facilities...that would stop people moaning about how foreigners are clogging up our schools and NHS..Note I say lower tax and not "no" tax, in places like the UAE, anyone who is not a citizen pays a "tourist" tax, this goes on everything you purchase..food, clothes, petrol etc...they may not pay tax directly from their salaries, but in reality, they pay a hell of a lot more to the government through said "tourist" tax.

Anyway the above is my solution to stop people whining...
Slawek076 - | 81  
4 Nov 2009 /  #264
.Id also be in favour of a lower tax bracket and no NI contributions for said immigrants...on the condition that they dont have an access to schools or NHS...they would have access only to private facilities.

Well done! In one word - the future generetion of slaves. They would be only good to work here in the worse kind of jobs and have no access to health services, education etc...etc.. just like animals, food and work... NO THANK YOU, MONEY IS NOT EVERYT5HING AND YOU CAN NOT BUY EVERYTHING FOR IT! IF IT'S YOUR VISION OF THE FUTURE OF EU GOOD LUCK AND PLEASE JOIN YOUR NATIONAL PARTY BODIES TO SUPPORT THEM IN WISE DECISIONS HOW TO CREATE SLAVES IN FUTURE EUROPE. ONE ADVICE, IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BECOME REAL IN THE FUTURE, BE SURE 100% THAT ALL POLISH AND OTHER CENTRAL EUROPE CITIZENS WILL TAKE THEIR MONEY AND GOODS BACK WITH THEM AND YOU WILL BE IN NICE MESS WITHOUT THEM.
Mister H 11 | 761  
4 Nov 2009 /  #265
with this statement you're showing complete lack of knowledge in the subject and simply burning off any of your credentials

I said "I think", I did not say anything for definite.

You can't work in bank and be such stupid even when you're a simple clerk

You can think me stupid if you like, but I do work in a bank and have worked for various different ones.

I don't think Polish people do debts in your country.

I'm afraid that they do and much of the blame has to go to the banks for offering high credit limits and overdrafts and so on to people with little/no credit history.

Polish rather do not take a large loans in your banks, do not cheat your mortgage system for terrible huge money that Polish couldn't even dream about.

They may not have a mortgage, but many have a lot of unsecured debt. Enough for banks to hire Polish speakers in their collection departments anyway.

It was your choice not ours. So please do not blame others for it.

I don't blame anyone other than the Governments. We did not ask for this situation either.

How come there are no statistics?

Purely from the point of view that I am speaking from the day-to-day experiences of my job. No official statistics exist as far as I know, but I can tell you that I'm not making this up for effect.

Please treat Polish as friends not as enemy so they will treat you the same way.

I do treat them as friends and I don't see them or anyone else as "the enemy", I'm just giving you the facts as I see them.

Credit has been far too easy to obtain and I fully accept that the banks are at fault, however, the person running up the debt is also in the wrong if they do a moonlight flit and just disappear.

Anyway the above is my solution to stop people whining...

Good solution ! Bit too logical for the powers that be to take any notice of however.
Mister H 11 | 761  
4 Nov 2009 /  #266
[quote=Slawek076][/quote]

Could you edit your last post so that I'm not included as it's not my post that you are replying too. Thanks :-)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
4 Nov 2009 /  #267
Id also be in favour of a lower tax bracket and no NI contributions for said immigrants...on the condition that they dont have an access to schools or NHS...they would have access only to private facilities.

the future generetion of slaves.

I agree with Sławek.
You are creating a class of people who contribute but are not 'allowed' to be educated and if they get sick are not on the NHS and what die?

That is a diabolical plan ShelleyS and Mister H.

Although it is nice to see you are to our Arab brothers for solutions :)

in places like the UAE

Mister H 11 | 761  
4 Nov 2009 /  #268
That is a diabolical plan ShelleyS and Mister H.

Why is it so diabolical ?

Why should someone that has had a job few weeks be able to have access to the same services as someone that has been paying in for many years ?
Slawek076 - | 81  
4 Nov 2009 /  #269
Mister H
[quote=Slawek076][/quote]

Could you edit your last post so that I'm not included as it's not my post that you are replying too. Thanks :-)

Sorry for that, can't edit it again, anyway you agreed with it but i can not agree with being slave :) Pure logic isn't it?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
4 Nov 2009 /  #270
Why should someone that has had a job few weeks be able to have access to the same services as someone that has been paying in for many years ?

That is not what the plan is.

no NI contributions for said immigrants...on the condition that they dont have an access to schools or NHS...they would have access only to private facilities..

.they may not pay tax directly from their salaries, but in reality, they pay a hell of a lot more to the government through said "tourist" tax.

These second class citizens (slaves) could/would spend their whole uneducated lives working this way and never get any services and get screwed for more tax than the 'privileged class' (masters).

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