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England, Dirty, Expensive and a dangerous place to live?


baggieboy - | 4  
5 Sep 2009 /  #121
I have noticed one thing on a totally seperate thread by a lady ( Becski) who mentoined saving herself a fine by moving her car to other side of the road she lived in so the street could be cleaned on her side .

It appears wherever she is living people are given times they can and cannot park in places so as to assist in the cleaning of the streets .

Every first and last friday in her case i seem to recollect thats brilliant what a good practice and so easy to put into practice .

I think i speak for a lot of people in England when saying we are never made aware of when , where or what time a roadsweeper will be around or in which area , town or street .

And to be honest we are lucky to see one more than two times a month and i only live a few miles from large town i think we Brits could learn from that practice
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
6 Sep 2009 /  #122
Id have to say that Irish people (i am one) are as dirty, as a culture, as the rest of the British Isle's.

You really hate Ireland huh? I tell you what, whatever nation is lucky to have your wonderous self residing in it, apply for citizenship there. Never mention your horrid past(as an Irish citizen). Be gone.

As for London being a dirty city. Maybe it is. But it is a major tourist attraction, so it must have something going for it. Someday I will visit and do the Ripper tour.
Mister H 11 | 761  
6 Sep 2009 /  #123
Is life getting better or worse in England since you joined the EU?

Generally I would say worse, although in many ways it hasn't affected me that much personally.

I don't claim benefits and I don't live in council....oh sorry we have to call it social housing now don't we, but if I did then I might notice the affects more.

However, it's hard not to notice the fact that we had far too many people living here in the first place and allowing so many more in without capping the numbers was total maddness.
time means 5 | 1,310  
6 Sep 2009 /  #124
worse in England since you joined the EU?

It is estimated that the UK gave the EU £13.7 billon in 2008 and got back £3.6 billion in rebate.

Good deal?
TheOther 6 | 3,821  
6 Sep 2009 /  #125
Good deal?

While you're at it: ask Germany, too.
OP ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
6 Sep 2009 /  #126
Good deal?

Pants! Can we exit this club do you think? Its not very exclusive anymore ;0) Trade agreements would be better, or thats my personal opinion.
Wroclaw Boy  
10 Sep 2009 /  #127
As for London being a dirty city. Maybe it is. But it is a major tourist attraction, so it must have something going for it. Someday I will visit and do the Ripper tour.

First you need some money, how many toilets will you need to clean for that. 5 Toilets = half a pint.

Central London is one of the cleanist central areas of any modern city, they have massively improved sanitation over the past 10 years. Who said London was a dirty city anyway?

On topic, although England is my home country i dont think i'll ever live there long term again.
OP ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
10 Sep 2009 /  #128
On topic, although England is my home country i dont think i'll ever live there long term again.

Because its expensive and you dont want to bring your daughter up here?
frd 7 | 1,399  
10 Sep 2009 /  #129
and got back £3.6 billion in rebate.

Well, Poland sent you some people to work, add that to these 3.6.. I'm pretty sure you guys got a surplus back hehe
Wroclaw Boy  
10 Sep 2009 /  #130
Because its expensive and you dont want to bring your daughter up here?

its not really the money although of course it is always a factor, heres some of the things i dislike about the UK:

over populated
immigration
too small
no mountains
expensive
dangerous
teen cultures
difficult to make real money

There are better places to live than the UK if you have the finances and are not stuck in a rutt or well into the rat race.
lexi 1 | 176  
10 Sep 2009 /  #131
New Zealand looks and sounds great but expensive too, Australia, nah i could never live there as a Pomm. Ive worked with many Aussies and i dont really see eye to eye with them personally.

Oh I like the Aussies, they do call a "spade a spade" and you know where you stand with them, probably coming from the North East of England I prefer this approach than the "behind the scenes" commentary, which sometime occurs in other countries.

New Zealand is also a great place, a bit underpopulated I think though, beautiful scenery but I cannot help but think ,for younger people they will get a bit bored. One of the reason they move to London ,take temproary bar work, is because they are young and see another side of life.
Wroclaw Boy  
11 Sep 2009 /  #132
Oh I like the Aussies, they do call a "spade a spade" and you know where you stand with them,

maybe so but a Brit living in Australia i dont think so, imagine the stick wed get when they beat us at any sports, plus ive known many a brit to emmigrate to Oz and then come flying back with their tails between their legs. Not for me not in a month of Sundays.

Canada is the best place that I can think of, English speaking (mostly), best ski resort in the World in Whistler, 2nd largest country with only 40 million people, lots of business opportunity, cheap property, mutli cultural, favourable climate, low crime rate. Thats where im heading when im done here.

It has to be an English speaking country i thought of South Africa but too dangerous and America I dont think id last 2 months there with all the bloody yanks.

I would probably seriously consider retiring to England, but somewhere out in the country, for now no chance been there done that.
OP ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
11 Sep 2009 /  #133
over populated
immigration
too small
no mountains
expensive
dangerous
teen cultures
difficult to make real money

I think you got it right with the above, but I still think you should have added dirty to the list ;0) I get soooooooooo angry when I see people just dropping crap on the pavement when there is a bin next to them!
Wroclaw Boy  
11 Sep 2009 /  #134
I get soooooooooo angry when I see people just dropping crap on the pavement when there is a bin next to them!

Cant say i ever noticed, Southampton is fairly clean unless you walked up the central highstreet very early on a saturday or Sunday morning.

Do you say anything when you see people drop litter?
markcooper 4 | 80  
11 Sep 2009 /  #135
My two pennies worth.

Berlin: Visited many times over the years. Twice this year. No dirtier/Cleaner than London. Price wise, I would say about the same.

Gdansk: Visited three times this year. Cheaper yes, cleaner no. Safer ( in my opinion Gdansk is not a safe city).

Wroclaw: Visited three times this year. Cheaper yes, cleaner no. Safer undecided.

Moscow: Visited once this year. Cheaper no, cleaner no. ? Safe No, dangerous yes

Chelyabinsk: Visited once this year. A fxxing dirty city, cheap yes, dangerous.. fxxk yes.

It is to generalistic to say England is Dirty, Expensive and Dangerous. London is very different to Canterbury !!
The country has a lot to offer. Funny thing is, lots of folk moan and complain. If it was that bad they could always get a one way ticket back home. ( but the majority don't).

markcooper:
Berlin: Visited many times over the years. Twice this year. No dirtier/Cleaner than London. Price wise, I would say about the same.
Which Berlin you went to?

I go there very often, i always find it spotless, clean, and affordable. An average person pays around 600euros to live in an appartment near the center, while in Amsterdam you have to pay around 1100 euros!

(Me plans to move to Berlin in 3 years :D )

Rent is cheap but.............local wage compared to local prices ( food, beer, taxi's) it works out quite pricey.

Clean: I used to live in Spandau. I did not find it that clean.
BritishEmpire - | 148  
11 Sep 2009 /  #136
Should we respect someone who categorized other people like "subhumans" just because of their race or because they are immigrants?

Lets look at why he has those opinions, could it be that hes become very unhappy with immigration into his country.
If people are really upset by something then they wont think twice about venting they're anger over it, that doesn't make him subhuman. If your looking for someone to blame then blame the people that allowed his country to be flooded by immigrants.

You wouldn't like a load of them in your house so why would you want them in your country.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
11 Sep 2009 /  #137
For anybody who wants to be negative about England, that is fine with me, however don't be a hypocrite and live here, especially if England is not your original place of birth/residence. :):)

Just hope yourself onto a plane/boat/bus and go back to where ever you came from because obviously you came to England because your own country was brilliant :):)

I don't mind people being negative about England, however to do so and to stay here when you have the choice to leave, just seems a bit strange to me. Either put up with it and shut up, or pack up and ship out.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
11 Sep 2009 /  #138
It has its dirty parts, like most countries. It's no Switzerland, Sweden or Singapore. 3 S's, hmm, I wonder what happened to Scotland ;) ;)

Expensive it most certainly is for many things. I know a guy who taught here for some time, then moved back. He is back in Poland again after a short stint in England. He is English and said that the prices are what got him.

Dangerous? It's getting more and more dangerous due to the rise of the BNP and gun-related crime. Knives too. I know a Brummy guy who now lives in OZ. He said that he'd never go back permanently due to the violence that you can encounter.
time means 5 | 1,310  
11 Sep 2009 /  #139
BNP and gun-related crime. Knives too. I know a Brummy guy who now lives in OZ. He said that he'd never go back permanently due to the violence that you can encounter.

Just where is all this violence i keep reading about? Where do you all live? The UK is not that dangerous.

Sweden

The most boring place on earth.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
11 Sep 2009 /  #140
These are accounts from people who have lived there. I can't comment on their validity as I've never lived in England. Sweden neither.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
11 Sep 2009 /  #141
It's getting more and more dangerous due to the rise of the BNP and gun-related crime. Knives too.

Two sides of the same coin, surely?
OsiedleRuda  
11 Sep 2009 /  #142
Just where is all this violence i keep reading about? Where do you all live? The UK is not that dangerous.

Inner-city areas in any major city, or at least in the five major UK cities I've lived in.

I lived in south London for many years, and violence, or the threat of it, was a daily thing. Our estate was known as a major drugs market (not helped by the good rail connections nearby), yellow signs asking for witnesses to stabbings/shootings were so frequent that most locals just became hardened to it. Other than that, hearing threats (or discussions) of "shankings" or people who got, or were going to get "capped" were a regular occurrence on the local buses. The local McDonalds, after the schools closed, was often like a war zone. A Maria was parked outside there almost permanently during school terms. I've been stabbed once myself during an attempted carjacking (managed to beat the **** off with my immobiliser though) threatened with a gun but escaped unharmed, but fortunately I never got mugged (someone tried once, though).

But, despite all this, I still liked the area I lived in, and didn't really want to move out - but our building got sold-off to "developers" and off we had to go. 98% of locals were fine, but it doesn't take many criminals who are strapped to cause havoc in a comparatively small area.

Many of my friends/acquaintances/colleagues weren't so lucky, though - but most of those were from small towns overseas, so maybe I'm lucky to be a bit more streetwise when it comes to UK ghettos.

Fortunately, I now live in an area which is rather better, and wonder how I put up with it all for so long :D

Dangerous? It's getting more and more dangerous due to the rise of the BNP and gun-related crime. Knives too. I know a Brummy guy who now lives in OZ. He said that he'd never go back permanently due to the violence that you can encounter.

I think you'll find that one of the reasons BNP support is rising is BECAUSE of the rise in violent crime - I'd say that over 90% of the attacks in the area described above were investigated by "Operation Trident" - if you don't know what they do, Google is your friend ;)

But I know Brum pretty well as well - and I'm not surprised that your Brummy guy left.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
11 Sep 2009 /  #143
Well, he is brown too so that doesn't help in white-controlled areas. Birmingham is amongst the worst but I've heard that Nottingham has many hostile spots.
Mister H 11 | 761  
12 Sep 2009 /  #144
Dangerous? It's getting more and more dangerous due to the rise of the BNP and gun-related crime. Knives too. I know a Brummy guy who now lives in OZ. He said that he'd never go back permanently due to the violence that you can encounter.

The rise of violent crime is due to combination of factors. The fact that you can drink your own body weight in cheap booze for less than a tenner doesn't help for a start. That and the fact that there are little or no consequences for behaving badly, which just encourages people to push the boundaries as far as they can.

With so many tanked up people around on Friday and Saturday nights, trouble is never too faraway.

I happened to be out last night and the Police van and general atmosphere in Brighton's rather notorious West Street was enough to make me and those I was with go and find somewhere quieter.

I joked to one of the people I was with that there was probably a camera crew around somewhere making a film about binge drinking culture. Turns out that they had already been there and done that when making something called "Brighton Beach Patrol" for Channel 5 !

I felt safer walking home along the seafront than braving the hell on earth that would have been the night bus.

I often feel that, as a nation, we're held to ransom by a bunch of daft, drunk and often dangerous individuals that are basically no more than kids that need pulling back into line !
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
12 Sep 2009 /  #145
I can't condone their loutish behaviour but they are from estates where it is fashionable to be neddish/chavvy. I wouldn't mind them drinking on benches, as long as they didn't harrass others and let them get on with it.

I remember some bus trips in Scotland and I couldn't wait to get away from those obnoxious cnuts.
andrewwright 8 | 65  
12 Sep 2009 /  #146
UK CANT BE THAT BAD WE HAVE MILLIONS OF WORKERS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WORKING THERE AND IF IT WAS THAT BAD THEY WOULD STAY AT HOME WITH THEIR FAMILY'S. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE UK THEN DONT GO THERE,
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
12 Sep 2009 /  #147
I must say, if your not English and are complaining, then hope on whatever mode of transport you like and get yourself back to your homeland, which was obviously so good you had to leave :)

Fine, let the people of the UK rip it apart and complain, in reality we have to live here, however people who have travelled to be here can just as easily push off back home. I can assure you that we won't miss you :)

P.S. before somebody rants at me, this is not directed at any particular 'nation' it is directed at all foreign nationals who complain about England but yet are more than happy to stay here

Thanks

T
time means 5 | 1,310  
12 Sep 2009 /  #148
happened to be out last night and the Police van and general atmosphere in Brighton's rather notorious West Street was enough to make me and those I was with go and find somewhere quieter.

So nothing actually happened?

Just a fear of a crime not an actual one.
andrewwright 8 | 65  
12 Sep 2009 /  #149
The only bad thing about the uk is th bloody weather,I now live in poland in which a lot of the uk people think its a cold country and had the hottest summer i can remeber and was born very very early 70's,
Avalon 4 | 1,068  
12 Sep 2009 /  #150
How many Polish people were shot today?

This is just a normal day in the UK

How many Polish people are going to see tax increases to pay for the bailout of the Polish Banks?

How many muslim extremists reside in Poland?

How many single mothers does the state look after in Poland?

How many asylum seekers are given free housing and benefits in Poland?

Who in England is going to pick up the tab for paying for all of the above?

The poor do not pay tax, the rich avoid paying tax by hiring good accountants, that just leaves the average family to foot the bill. How tight can they be squeezed before they realise that it does not pay to work?

Why not address all the facts and then form an honest opinion about the UK.

Poland has a long way to go to catch up with Western Europe but I'm not sure that this is going to be such a good thing in the long run.

Still, it will be interesting when the EU decides how many asylum seekers Poland has to take in as their "fair share" quota.

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