Poland Property...should I be scared

Well bubbleberry congratulations you have a sense of humor, I had a good laugh myself.

It goes to show we may disagree on issues but we can enjoy a laugh... well done:

Good luck in your property search in poland

Buying an apartment would be a problem - the deadly question would be -- in which country to buy it? LOL

I'm sure Wujek would be the first to leave Poland if he had the opportunity including going to Estonia

Today a drivers license is enough to "have the opportunity" to leave Poland. No special "visas" are required so don't see a problem here.

A drivers licence dosn't bring the "bacon home or is the icing on the cake" secure working condtions might.

why dont you guys buy an apartment together...you will only need a studio, with a small bed...

and computer, don't forget. I just don't know one or three computers?:)

Rafik pointed that out.....I did find it quite funny though.....Personally I would love to live in Poland beautiful place.

I get sick and tired of people of people throwing out these one liners, I would love to live in Poland or Poland is the best place on earth it may well be, why don't you practice what you preach.

Most poles living overseas (not you) after a belly load of grog become very sentimental and patriotic, when they sober up they have nothing good to say about Poland.

I take off my hat for those who have remained in Poland in good times and bad times buidling up Poland, those leaving to work overseas have not been fair to there fellow country men and add insult to injury when they return home with a bucket load of dollars.

This may offend the Indiangirl and the funny man from China but that is the truth.

you are saying it from the position of a man with a full belly.you live in the rich country where you do not need to think about how to make ends meet.saying that you not only offend the poles living abroad but others like irish , italians,germans,chinese ect who for centuries travelled all over the the world to change their fortunes.i can't see anything wrong with that.some people lets say in poland have their goals like lets say they want their children to be well educated or they want to move to a bigger house or like the atmosphere of certain country or want to try something else or.............there are plenty of reasons to leave your country lef.poland will survive i am sure of that.we may get some labour from countries like belarus or ukraine who are paid much less in their countries than in poland.after a few years abroad the poles WILL start coming back with their buckets of dollars-why do you think is something bad?anyway poles sent 4billion pounds to poland over the past 2 years and there is much more to come.

btw.are you originally from australia or your parents came over there from a different country?
and another question:if you think that poland is such a bad country to live in,there are so many drunks there,thieves,corruption and we have nothing to show off why do you come to our country overe and over again?

simple answer please

you are saying it from the position of a man with a full belly.you live in the rich country where you do not need to think about how to make ends meet.saying that you not only offend the poles living abroad but others like irish , italians,germans,chinese ect who for centuries travelled all over the the world to change their fortunes.i can't see anything wrong with that.some people lets say in poland have their goals like lets say they want their children to be well educated or they want to move to a bigger house or like the atmosphere of certain country or want to try something else or.............there are plenty of reasons to leave your country lef.poland will survive i am sure of that.we may get some labour from countries like belarus or ukraine who are paid much less in their countries than in poland.after a few years abroad the poles WILL start coming back with their buckets of dollars-why do you think is something bad?anyway poles sent 4billion pounds to poland over the past 2 years and there is much more to come.

btw.are you originally from australia or your parents came over there from a different country?
and another question:if you think that poland is such a bad country to live in,there are so many drunks there,thieves,corruption and we have nothing to show off why do you come to our country overe and over again?

simple answer please

you are saying it from the position of a man with a full belly.you live in the rich country where you do not need to think about how to make ends meet.saying that you not only offend the poles living abroad but others like irish , italians,germans,chinese ect who for centuries travelled all over the the world to change their fortunes.i can't see anything wrong with that.some people lets say in poland have their goals like lets say they want their children to be well educated or they want to move to a bigger house or like the atmosphere of certain country or want to try something else or.............there are plenty of reasons to leave your country lef.poland will survive i am sure of that.we may get some labour from countries like belarus or ukraine who are paid much less in their countries than in poland.after a few years abroad the poles WILL start coming back with their buckets of dollars-why do you think is something bad?anyway poles sent 4billion pounds to poland over the past 2 years and there is much more to come.

btw.are you originally from australia or your parents came over there from a different country?
and another question:if you think that poland is such a bad country to live in,there are so many drunks there,thieves,corruption and we have nothing to show off why do you come to our country overe and over again?

simple answer please


yes you are right shelley but within a year(with my qualifications) i will have a great chance of getting a well paid job in poland.as i said i haven't got the time to start again:)

Settle down...

Firstly Poland gve you the education, you have a obligation to return something in return.

What would happen to poland if all people living in poland packed there bags and decided to work overseas to make better money...(The current lack of doctors is one such example)

also, polish people pumping money back into the system dosn't help the average person living in Poland, quite the reverse, it causes a divisions between the haves and the haves not and in effect causes a class struggle..This type of money coming in tends to increase the price of goods and certainly real estate, which dosn't help the vast majority of polish people.

Why I return to Poland, sure, been there 10 times, well I believe in Poland and the Polsih people, I might add that poles have suffered a lot, especially the war and the terrible times under the communist system, I just feel that capitalism (american style) is no better than the communist system, at least under communism people had a job and had some income support, but under capitalism, who cares if you can speak your mind if you haven't a job etc.

If I am critcial in my comments, it dosn't mean one is anti polish, quite the reverse, there are more millionaires in poland today but more poles find the struggle harder today.

The poles were conned into entry into the E.U, under the guise that money will be given to poland to improve roads etc, remember you get nothing for nothing in this life and someone will benefit in the E U, but it will be very few poles only

It looks you'd like to retire in Poland, lef. I'm thinking about it too but as you said - I dislike the whole EU "idea" where the richest countries get the cream and countries like Poland will always be "worse citizens". Who's got the money shouldn't worry about that though.

true, it will not be 95% of the population

there is a lot to be taken from the eu.it is only up to us if we'll use.look at an example of previously poor countries like ireland or spain.on the other hand there is greece the most laid-back country in the eu which did nothing to improve their situation for the last 20 years


there always are people who struggle for various reasons:some because of lets say bad luck but others cos they are lazy,drunks,losers ect. if i give away my money and go back to poland with nothing it won't help them either but if i came back with money and pumped them to the system it would have made their situation better


come on lef you do not know what you are talking about.my dad was a supervisor/manager in so called PGR-fish farm.he used to get same money as lets say a cleaner-was it fair for someone with masters degree and a great responsibility?

with 4 children we were strugling to survive.i couldn't get anything:new clothes,toys,htere was nothing in shops absolutely nothing.the life was dull,very dull but now something has changed.we have OPPORTUNITY.it's only up to us if we want to take it


i will.i am going back to poland next year.

The EU is a "good idea" - the only problem with the EU is that it is being govern by the Euroleft as well as the French and the Germans.


We`re working on it.

just going back to the qualifications thing, since last year when Poland went into the EU, any Degrees / quals in Poland will be as good as the English equivalent. Would those coming over with the chance of a career and a posed to being stuck in jobs that are beneath their capabilities settle here or would they just stay for a few years and then go back?

this is purely an inocent question with no hidden agenda

poland, i think, joined the ue in 2004 but i could be wrong

bubbleberry
if you are looking for a warsaw loctaion i could try to help

it was May 2004, my mistake

is it that important?some people will stay some people will go back.i can say for myself but not for others.what i know is that not everyone who come over here will stay but how many will go back?who knows.

it is like asking how many english people who work and live in poland will go back to the uk or stay in poland.nobody can answer.

get sick and tired of people of people throwing out these one liners, I would love to live in Poland or Poland is the best place on earth it may well be, why don't you practice what you preach.

Most poles living overseas (not you) after a belly load of grog become very sentimental and patriotic, when they sober up they have nothing good to say about Poland.

I take off my hat for those who have remained in Poland in good times and bad times buidling up Poland, those leaving to work overseas have not been fair to there fellow country men and add insult to injury when they return home with a bucket load of dollars.

This may offend the Indiangirl and the funny man from China but that is the truth.

it is not always the case now- maybe 20 years ago. I have family in Tarnow area I rememebr 10-15 years ago nearly everyone had family member in USA. They wore designed clothes, were buying expensive cars, built big houses. I was just poor , grey person from Krakowcomparing to them. But to be honest I was not jelaous.

It is different now- there are many people with relatively good salaries in Poland,prices are higher value of USD is no so high. Most my friends have good jobs. I suppose the worst is for people from areas where is really high unemployment they don't have much chance just go abroad to work.

Most english people go abroad for the money (middle east tax free) so I would say that most english people would come home - unless they have emigrated - which is totally different

Also the majority of Polish people coming over are early 20is and it's more to improve their english and save money to buy property back in Poland, which is fine - I just thought that with job market more open for people with degrees it might be worth their while - as a posed to coming over with a degree and working in a factory as a means to an end

Propery in poland

I was told you have to be a polish citizen to buy property in poland.
So the property you find and see as a good deal will have to go in your girlfriends name .
But your going to marry the women so you should not have a problem.
From what I understand about property in poland is ther are a lot of rules . But I also have been told that , many farmers are selling there land to builders to build new homes or business. I think being such a small country that buying any land in quantity would be a good long term investment. I think almost all of the wide open spaces in poland are in the way of more homes being built . So growth is heading your way . Its a small country so the land will be used. I think the closer you get to any city in poland will be a good deal as there is plenty of growth in poland. I do beleive that all purchases you do should be concidered long term. I was told there is no real flip type properties in poland . If you want to invest for long term in poland . Remember the rues of real estate in the states . LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION. Near any body of water is always a good purchase.

and if her parents house is paid for why not rent it out for income. And then when the time comes to move to poland you could sell then. Or tear down that house and build another. again Depending on LOCATION....

I have cousins here and when I say buy in poland with the money your making here. They fron on it.. So I don't want to lead you in the wrong direction. But checking comps in poland will give you all the answers you need. And you can make a good educated choice on what to do.

Good luck

"most english people go abroad for the money (middle east tax free)"

shelley... whatever gave you that idea...?

I worked for an engineering consultancy and many were happy to go over to the Middle East - TAX FREE

My uncle worked in the Middle East for may years - why? the money

so you see Bubba, based on the above facts is what gave me that idea!

with all due respect, shelley, your uncle and some of the people who worked at the same place as you do not qualify as *most English people*... do they...?

following your reasoning, more ex-pats go to the middle east to earn tax free wonga than say, france, spain, america, australia... or even poland... for the food, lifestyle, weather, whatever...

and lets not forget the thousands of wouldbe English teachers that leave every year for nothing more than the experience of seeing the world...

so if we want to generalise and say that *most English people* go abroad for one reason rather than another, then it's probably not because of the money...

The prices for real estate in Poland are in many areas higher than in NY City. What are they thinking?? Comparing the standard of living in NY to Warsaw is like comparing a Yugo to Volvo. The real estate bubble in Poland is bigger than most people would have imagined. It's a pity regular Poles and their children will have to pay the price.

are you predicting it's gonna burst?

Since it's a bubble, it's gonna explode in Poland, not even burst. You see, 1/3 of the Polish nation is compared of current and former immigrants. These are the ones who speculate most (in addition to speculants from other countries) and they pump the bubble. After living several years abroad they don't realize there are still many years barrier between Poland and other well-developed countries. For them it's normal they have to pay 5K per square meter - so when they go to Poland they are willing to pay this price as they THINK the value will increase. It will, but there are economic norms you cannot jump over. But Poland is known to propose and live by the "out of the box" rules.

What exactly do you mean? I was considering buying property in Poland.

what do you mean by that.
the real estate market in Canada had the same situation - due to the foreign real estate speculators - so as a result Canadians cannot efford to buy a house anymore.

It didn't expolde though - it just got settled.


it's still a good idea though.

Syrena,
it depends why you want to buy it. To live or to invest.

Someone has mentioned that after joining the EU the prices for real estate in Ireland went up 100% or more. Well, that's true - but it's silly to compare Poland to Ireland. Not because of the potential or the beauty of the countries (both countries have great potential, people, and beauty).

What makes the real difference is: THE LANGUAGE + THE CULTURE.

In Poland, the Polish language is spoken by 99% of all population. Assuming you are British, German, or American (those nations are considered the "richest" and buy most properties) - would you really be willing to permanently move to Poland and live there? Among people who can only speak Polish in their everyday live? Why there is no "real estate boom" in Hungary anymore? How about Croatia or other countries that are even more beautiful and have much better climate than Poland?

Ireland is an English-speaking country. British, American, or even German (for whom English is almost a natural language) have no problems to move to Ireland and actually permanently live there. They will not be considered "strangers" as Brits, AMericans, or Germans do in Poland. They will have no problems to mingle with the local people and adapt their culture and lifestyle.

In Poland, there is a difference in peoples lifestyles and culture. Someone who doesn't speak Polish well is likely to be a stranger throughout his/her life in Poland. Ireland is for investors from the UK or US like their country - just like New Zealand would be if they were to be united with Australia. So, again, the prices in Ireland increased so much in long-term mostly because of people who were actually going to live in Ireland as they would have no problem moving and live there permanently. In Poland only people born in Poland will feel like home. Same in Hungary, Croatia, etc.