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Do you think that Polish catholics resent the new German Pope?


tornado2007 11 | 2,270  
14 Mar 2008 /  #91
but don't knock relgion because it made Europe into what it is today.......

yeah look at it, not just europe but the world, its so great and its all thanks to a few story books that there is so much war everywhere :) thats just one example. RELIGION is the scurge of the world
matthias 3 | 429  
14 Mar 2008 /  #92
You blame Religon, I blame the ignorance of people who don't really understand it... They abuse it for their own gain..... In case you didn't know Religion doesn't teach to kill people....
tornado2007 11 | 2,270  
14 Mar 2008 /  #93
ow of course religion is all innocent :) don't make me laugh. WHen you finish banging whatever book you choose too and wake up maybe one day you will lead your own life instead of following the one that is dictated to you
matthias 3 | 429  
14 Mar 2008 /  #94
Your retarted...... No one is adovating blind devotion.... But truly understanding the teachings.... Religion is a tool like a hammer... It can be used to build a house or destroy a house...
lesser 4 | 1,311  
14 Mar 2008 /  #95
if you want to bring the law into this than fine.... Law says abortion is legal.......

Current laws are worth nothing in general, bureaucratic mafia and populist politicians control this business. I think that if some university student as a some project provided Reform treaty of the EU there is serious possibility that his project would be rejected. Stupidity of this ridiculous "document" is amazing. This abortion law that you mentioned is in opposition to logic, paragraphs contradict each other. I think that I showed this clear enough above... What is more first abortion on demand laws were created by Hitler and Lenin, apparently ideological fathers of Europe...

Im only 24 so I had the chance to vote only once in the presidential elections, once in local and state elections... Either way I know how the game is played....

Nearly everybody who vote claim so. Then why nearly always we are ruled by thieving populists?

K, your still sending money to Africa be it a private organization or not... Don't twist the conversation. I support sending money to Africa and it seems you agree...

You are wrong, there is huge difference. In first case corrupt Euro-American politicians hand over money of their taxpayers to totally corrupt UN bureaucrats and they to maybe even more corrupt (if this is possible at all) African caciques. All of them steal more or less and in the end African caciques waste the rest of cash on programs from the start based on western subsidies. You could subside them to the end of the world and they would be still poor.

Second option when you willingly send your private money directly to organization that you trust. These money at least reach to the people, however wont change situation over there in general. This could be done only by Africans themselves.

According to Big Bang theory neither time nor space existed before Big Bang minus Planck Time (Stephen Hawking ). Therefore, from the point of view of science nothing existed. Science does not research "nothing".

According to this theory nothing existed but science cannot blindly trust some certain theories, reject others and abandon to investigate such problems. Beside of this if they say that nothing was before so where is action - reaction connection (związek przyczynowo-skutkowy)? IMO serious hole in this theory.
matthias 3 | 429  
14 Mar 2008 /  #96
Current laws are worth nothing in general, bureaucratic mafia and populist politicians control this business.

I was talking about theology with you, when you decided to steer the convesation towards the law... So I did and when I proved to you the law supports abortion you decried the law was run by beurocratic mafia... Make up your mind if your going to use the law to support your own arguements you cannot dismiss it when I do the same.. If you want to talk about theology that's fine with me but dont start twisting the convesation to talk about law and then complain when it doesn't go your way..

Nearly everybody who vote claim so. Then why nearly always we are ruled by thieving populists?

did I say all politicians are good... No, thats why were are ruled by thieving populists... I said some are good and if they can do good for the country being pro abortion should not prevent me from voting from them... Many pro abortion(which I dont support) polictians have done a lot of good for the country... This should not prevent me from voting for them.....

You are wrong, there is huge difference. In first case corrupt Euro-American politicians hand over money of their taxpayers to totally corrupt UN bureaucrats and they to maybe even more corrupt (if this is possible at all) African caciques. All of them steal more or less and in the end African caciques waste the rest of cash on programs from the start based on western subsidies. You could subside them to the end of the world and they would be still poor.

Second option when you willingly send your private money directly to organization that you trust. These money at least reach to the people, however wont change situation over there in general. This could be done only by Africans themselves.

No your wrong, the discussion was about sending money to Africa, we werent discussing how this should be done.... I see you like putting words in my mouth and twisting the conversation to support your arguements... I support sending money to Africa was my arguement but didn't say how, yet you said at first that you don't support sending money... when I said your not a good Christian if you don't think we should help, you changed your mind and said you support sending money through private organizations... Whats the differance between me saying I support sending money to Africa and you saying you support sending money to Africa through private organizations????? I just wasn't as specific as you.....

According to this theory nothing existed but science cannot blindly trust some certain theories, reject others and abandon to investigate such problems. Beside of this if they say that nothing was before so where is action - reaction connection (związek przyczynowo-skutkowy)? IMO serious hole in this theory.

Give this a read, I don't think you understand completely what the evidence for the big bang theory is....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
z_darius 14 | 3,965  
14 Mar 2008 /  #97
According to this theory nothing existed but science cannot blindly trust some certain theories, reject others and abandon to investigate such problems.

But science does not trust any theories blindly. It creates them based on research and objective evidence. Science IS a result of investigation. Religion does not investigate but assumes things apriori and uses dogmas.

Beside of this if they say that nothing was before so where is action - reaction connection (związek przyczynowo-skutkowy)? IMO serious hole in this theory.

If you weren't so passionate about rejecting science as worth while then you would use this very part of the post to show how science actually proves that the supernatural exists and is the cause of all things. There is a catch to that though, but at this time the catch is pretty debatable.

OK, give it a shot.
adilski 2 | 105  
15 Mar 2008 /  #98
not really , i dont htink my parents - strong followers of the lat pope (god bless him) are that freaked out by there being a german pope, the key thing is to be united as folowers of jesus christ. the message is for all of us.
matthias 3 | 429  
15 Mar 2008 /  #99
I'm talking about RCC, I cannot discuss about other versions cause I have not such knowledge

latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-euevolution16mar16 ,0,3494508.story

Here's an article for you about how they try to teach evolution is a lie......
lesser 4 | 1,311  
19 Mar 2008 /  #100
I was talking about theology with you

I don't need religious arguments to proof my point on this issue. This is you who raised the issue of sin.

Many pro abortion(which I dont support) polictians have done a lot of good for the country... This should not prevent me from voting for them.....

Without offense but I tend to doubt whether you know what is good for a country... So again, what is a top priority for a Christian innocent human life or cash? If a politician promise second heaven just after we kill all Lithuanians, why not vote for him? What would prevent you from such decision?

No your wrong, the discussion was about sending money to Africa, we werent discussing how this should be done....

K, your still sending money to Africa be it a private organization or not...

I cannot ignore such comments... Beside of that I oppose aid from governments and don't oppose (neither support because this will never resolve their problems) sending private money.

But science does not trust any theories blindly. It creates them based on research and objective evidence. Science IS a result of investigation. Religion does not investigate but assumes things apriori and uses dogmas.

I agree but scientists must proof their theories before announcing to be the only correct.

If you weren't so passionate about rejecting science as worth while then you would use this very part of the post to show how science actually proves that the supernatural exists and is the cause of all things. There is a catch to that though, but at this time the catch is pretty debatable.

When we talking about beliefs then I don't need to question something which don't pretend to be science. When somebody would claim otherwise I would question his point and this would not be very difficult.
matthias 3 | 429  
19 Mar 2008 /  #101
I don't need religious arguments to proof my point on this issue. This is you who raised the issue of sin.

dude you already forgot what your talking about.... you used law to argue your position and when I did the same you said the law is useless.....

I cannot ignore such comments... Beside of that I oppose aid from governments and don't oppose (neither support because this will never resolve their problems) sending private money.

that's where your wrong..... If a government sends to money or food for a African family..... I consider that helping....
z_darius 14 | 3,965  
19 Mar 2008 /  #102
I agree but scientists must proof their theories before announcing to be the only correct.

Scientists will announce some of their findings, even if incomplete, for the rest of the scientific community to express their views on new discoveries. It's called peer review. Sometimes the new discovery is proven wrong, sometimes gaps are filled in.

A religious equivalent of peer review is called blasphemy.

When we talking about beliefs then I don't need to question something which don't pretend to be science. When somebody would claim otherwise I would question his point and this would not be very difficult.

You missed my point. No matter though. You are comparing belief to fact anyway. You reject verifiable facts as full of holes, and yet you accept scriptures with all their internal inconsistencies.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
20 Mar 2008 /  #103
dude you already forgot what your talking about.... you used law to argue your position and when I did the same you said the law is useless.....

I was talking about universal in western civilization concepts originated from Roman law. While you about paragraphs written by thieves based on their greediness. First option is in agreement with logic and common sense, second serve populism and thievery.

that's where your wrong..... If a government sends to money or food for a African family..... I consider that helping....

You should read my description of this "helping" once again...

Scientists will announce some of their findings, even if incomplete, for the rest of the scientific community to express their views on new discoveries. It's called peer review. Sometimes the new discovery is proven wrong, sometimes gaps are filled in.

I agree but they cannot claim something to be definitely right without proof.

You missed my point. No matter though. You are comparing belief to fact anyway. You reject verifiable facts as full of holes, and yet you accept scriptures with all their internal inconsistencies.

I reject only statements that unconfirmed theories cannot be questioned. Similar issue with human influence on global warming. They don't have evidence at all but still don't want even discuss with people whom disagree. While I believe in creationism because I don't see anybody who could be able to provide a reliable explanation based on evidence. If something like this happen I can reconsider.
matthias 3 | 429  
20 Mar 2008 /  #104
I was talking about universal in western civilization concepts originated from Roman law. While you about paragraphs written by thieves based on their greediness. First option is in agreement with logic and common sense, second serve populism and thievery.

Actually the law orginated from the bible, Roman law and hannarbi's code......

You should read my description of this "helping" once again...

I'd rather read the description in the dictionary of what helping means....
lesser 4 | 1,311  
20 Mar 2008 /  #105
I'd rather read the description in the dictionary of what helping means....

Check out "stealing" as well.
matthias 3 | 429  
20 Mar 2008 /  #106
what's the point????? what are your trying to prove here???? if it's what Im thinking than we don't disagree....
lesser 4 | 1,311  
20 Mar 2008 /  #107
If you would read carefully my previous posts you would know...
matthias 3 | 429  
20 Mar 2008 /  #108
Unfortunatly the converstation was about a week ago, it's not my fault it took you so long to respond....I had hundreds of posts to read since then...........

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