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Simon Moleke Njie.


Sylwia  
14 Feb 2007 /  #1
can anyone tell me more about this guy? my mother told me about him and how he infected girls in poland with aids. is it true?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
14 Feb 2007 /  #2
and how he infected girls

And how do you think he did ?
OP Sylwia  
14 Feb 2007 /  #3
i know "how" lol. I just dont know the story on him. I can't read in Polish, but the english versions i've read so far are saying it isnt true and the polish people are racist and he never know that he was HIV postive in the first place.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
14 Feb 2007 /  #4
but the english versions i've read so far are saying it isnt true and the polish people are racist and he never know that he was HIV postive in the first place.

Interesting. Source ?
Babylon 16 | 192  
14 Feb 2007 /  #5
i know "how" lol. I just dont know the story on him. I can't read in Polish, but the english versions i've read so far are saying it isnt true and the polish people are racist and he never know that he was HIV postive in the first place.

LOL what a stupidy give me the source in english so I can read this? He infected from 20 to even 100 woman. He told girls:

"You want me to use condom because I came from Africa?" and many girls were ashamed and let him to do this without condom and they got AIDS, but I watched on TV a interview with a girl who had sex with him but told him he had to use condom, and after she heard about his AIDS she checked herself and thanks she did not have AIDS, but many had.

On January 5, 2006 Njie was taken into custody by the Polish police and charged with consciously infecting women with HIV. According to newspaper Rzeczpospolita he was identified with HIV back in 1999 while living in a refugee shelter but the Polish law was unable to force a HIV holder to reveal the disease to his partners or to order a treatment. When living in Poland Mol allegedly persuaded women to have unprotected sex with him by arguing that using a condom with a black man is a sign of racism and racist fears.

As of early January 2007 four women were positively identified with the HIV virus, 18 are waiting for the results of the tests. Several women had informed Mol prior that they have contracted HIV from him but he ignored it. Before Christmas 2006 rumors of Mol's infection had started to spread over the internet, he explicitly refused it in a public letter. After the arrest Mol had denied any knowledge of being HIV holder and accused the police of racism.


wikipedia

Many Poles think He is a racist with hate to whites - otherwise he did not do this.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Feb 2007 /  #6
i posted about this ten days or so ago but it was one of the threads that got lost in the recent cyber storm...

... i made a connection to a musician in krakow which was something i had heard on-the-street... has anyone else heard this...?
Maati 1 | 178  
15 Feb 2007 /  #7
Hi,
I knew him personally and he never wanted anything from me.
Never was trying to seduce me or having sex with me.
Weird, isn't it...
Media are looking for a scanadlous thing again.

You can also find info about his case on Rebecca Steel page.
feral belcher  
16 Feb 2007 /  #8
I knew him personally

I congratulate you your acquaintance. LOL
Mad  
14 Apr 2007 /  #9
unfortunatelly, thats true..everything is against him medical examinations.. he*s origin.. lies about his occupation.. :/....
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
14 Apr 2007 /  #10
Someting like this should be treated like a murder. Kill him.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
18 Jul 2008 /  #11
Im shocked he will only be looking at 3 years! - here is a case from the UK a few years back.

A man diagnosed with HIV has been found guilty of "callously" infecting two women with the virus in a landmark legal case.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/3190626.stm
masks98 27 | 289  
18 Jul 2008 /  #12
Perhaps you should edit the part you wrote about the life of young Polish women being pretty sheap in Poland these days...since this statement was based on incomplete information.

I wish people wouldn't look at this case from a racial point of view, as if this was a constant problem, it seems very obvious that this is an exceptoinal case. I think what he did is just as sick as everyone else does, he deserves a life sentence from the evidence that's been made public. But really, the stigma lays on him, not all Africans, and especially not all blacks.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
18 Jul 2008 /  #13
Roman wants life in prison for him but dude should be killed.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
18 Jul 2008 /  #14
it seems very obvious that this is an exceptoinal case.

Masks, my post above yours quite clearly shows it not an exceptional case in the slightest, it is in fact almost common place.

But really, the stigma lays on him, not all Africans, and especially not all blacks

It shouldn't but unfortunately it is, quite like gay men being singled out too. The problem is that people coming from certain parts of the world have a higher chance of having HIV than those coming from other parts of the world, it's a fact.

Roman wants life in prison for him but dude should be killed.

I think a few weeks in a Polish prison, he will be wishing he was dead!
cyg 5 | 119  
18 Jul 2008 /  #15
Perhaps you should edit the part you wrote about the life of young Polish women being pretty sheap in Poland these days

Done

On the other hand, Africa has a serious AIDS problem partly due to the incredible myths circulating among the people there, such as the one about curing AIDS by having sex with a virgin:

alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefresources/107036097535.htm

This has nothing to do with race, but it certainly does have plenty to do with culture and education in that part of the world. When serious government officials think that there's no need for sex education because garlic and onions will do the job, there's a huge problem:

guardian.co.uk/world/2005/may/06/internationalaidanddevelopment.southafrica
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
18 Jul 2008 /  #16
it seems very obvious that this is an exceptoinal case.

So how the hell HIV came to Europe ?
masks98 27 | 289  
18 Jul 2008 /  #17
shelley doesn't HIV spread from one person to another? Aren't plenty of white people also infected with aids? Are you sying that THEY don't also pass it on to other white people? You'll probably say the only the gay ones do...

So the point is that people get infected with HIV every day, sometimes it's from people from another race, and sometimes from people within their own race. There also news reports of white people infecting other white people with AIDS. For some reason, you choose to lash out only at the ones that are different from you.

What I'm saying is that you're coming from one extreme, and as for myself I don't want to swing to the other extreme either. Obviously Aids is a problem among people from certain African countries, perhaps there should be a screening process in place, or maybe there are other solutions, you can't deny asylum to everybody so what do you suggest other then hating on foreigners?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
18 Jul 2008 /  #18
you can't deny asylum to everybody

Why ?
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
18 Jul 2008 /  #19
shelley doesn't HIV spread from one person to another? Aren't plenty of white people also infected with aids? Are you sying that THEY don't also pass it on to other white people? You'll probably say the only the gay ones do...

That's not what I have said, what I did say was that people from certain parts of the world have a higher chance of having it.

you can't deny asylum to everybody so what do you suggest other then hating on foreigners?

I dont think I mentioned that asylum should be denied, to those who actually deserve it.

perhaps there should be a screening process in place

Yes of course that would work! the Human Rights activists would have a field day, Im sure you read my previous post, you must have noticed the paragraph about the guy who will not be deported:

A failed asylum-seeker jailed on the 2nd December 2003 for raping a mother of three is trying to avoid deportation because he is HIV-positive. Linkoy Muhuri, 35, claims he should stay in Britain on compassionate grounds after serving his sentence

Weather you like it or not the majority of immigrants in the UK that have HIV are from Africa. As for the white indiginous population that is another matter for us to deal with and yes Im certain there have been cases of white people infecting other white people, AIDS does not discrimate...

Mr cyg had a valid point that it is a cultural and educational thing.

masks, Simon Moleke made this a racist thing by accusing Polish girls of being racist because they would not sleep with him without a condom... and maybe through ignorance he thought he could rid himself of AIDS by sleeping with a couple of virgins...what he did was evil.

Why ?

Doggie there are people out there who do need and deserve shelter...it's just a shame that there are those out there that abuse it.
masks98 27 | 289  
18 Jul 2008 /  #20
masks, Simon Moleke made this a racist thing by accusing Polish girls of being racist because they would not sleep with him without a condom.

That's utter bull, is that all it takes to sleep with Polish girls? Perhaps he said that once or twice, but that wasn't the reason why the slept with him unless they were already profvessional prostitutes.

Other than that I see your point, you state it in an extreme way at times which makes you seem like a complete racist. You came off as someone who would deny Asylum to anyone, be it, Simon Mol or Nelson Mandela. And people on this forum who bring up this Simon Mol thing generally use it as a black people thing. Coming from the US I am completely unfamiliar with such European issues, in US HIV, while probably higher among some minority groups, is still seen as a national problem affecting Americans across the board. While there is racism in the US, I've rarely dealt with people treating me like some kind of interloper spreading aids among white women.

I'm off to work -
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
18 Jul 2008 /  #21
there are people out there who do need and deserve shelter...

There are countless millions of them around the world... Obviously It's not possible to take them all to Europe, so why those few, who somehow (usually illegaly) make It to Europe or America should get these expensive things ? For the same cash one "asylum seeker" costs one could feed dozens children in Africa or better - educate one person, who could later come back and start changing that mess... But what the hell... better screem "racism"...
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
18 Jul 2008 /  #22
I completely understand your point....but by asylum seekers, I didn't just mean Africans, not too many years ago we had a fair few Bosnians come to the UK and a few Croatians and Serbs after that...i think Asylum has become an excuse for those who want to escape poverty...
Krzysztof 2 | 973  
18 Jul 2008 /  #23
There are countless millions of them around the world... Obviously It's not possible to take them all to Europe, so why those few, who somehow (usually illegaly) make It to Europe or America should get these expensive things ?

I can't believe it comes out of the mouth of a Pole :)
We're one of the nations with really high numbers of emigrants/asylum seekers. For the past 200 years many people from Poland have been always searching a better life in economical, political, social and vital terms (to find a better job and pay, to avoid persecutions, death included, for their politacl views, to have better chances to realize their ambitions than it was possible under partitions or in the communist era or simply to survive during the World Wars).

For the same cash one "asylum seeker" costs one could feed dozens children in Africa or better - educate one person, who could later come back and start changing that mess... But what the hell... better screem "racism"...

Naive thinking, feeding children in Africa is a great idea, but it won't solve the problem, as long as the economy of the poor countries is still in a bad shape, you'd be feeding those children ad infinitum. Educate and plant as a ruler - it would work - in the colonial era, now you can't just send a person (no matter how good and qualified he/she is) to rule a country. He/she would need to be accepted as such ruler by the nation or by its other politicians. And the regimes don't give up power that easily, the regimes care about their own good, not about the country.

And btw, Europe did invade Africa, occupied it for centuries and left it. That's when the problems started. Most African countries weren't prepared for a government European-style (be it capitalism, democracy, socialism, communism), because they didn't evoluate to it. Every society has its ways, sometimes they follow in the footsteps of other societies (like most Europe introducing gradually similar political, economic and social reforms) sometimes they go a different path (Japan, China, Middle East) with similar results on some fields and different on other.

Africa, due to colonialism, was stripped of the possibility to follow its natural path of evolution, then suddenly left alone. Its like a wild cat kept all its life in a cage, then suddenly set free to live in the nature again. Europe has overthrown the balance in that part of the world and now has to deal with the consequences.
miranda  
18 Jul 2008 /  #24
I can't believe it comes out of the mouth of a Pole :)
We're one of the nations with really high numbers of emigrants/asylum seekers. For the past 200 years many people from Poland have been always searching a better life in economical, political, social and vital terms (to find a better job and pay, to avoid persecutions, death included, for their politacl views, to have better chances to realize their ambitions than it was possible under partitions or in the communist era or simply to survive during the World Wars).

yes, people seem to forget that very quickly.

[quote=Krzysztof]good post again.

Yet I am afraid it is going to be ignored by most of the posters on this thread.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
18 Jul 2008 /  #25
good post

I agree to a certain point.

But...

Africa, due to colonialism, was stripped of the possibility to follow its natural path of evolution, then suddenly left alone.

The above I dont agree with. It's easy to blame the problems of developing countries on colonialism..
miranda  
18 Jul 2008 /  #26
It's easy to blame the problems of developing countries on colonialism..

Lets replace it with the Western exploitation then. It is a fact not a theory ShellS.

But that is besides the point.

My question is: why did those women sleep with him without the protection and without the knowlwdge of his sexual history? C'mon. It is turning into a political discussion and I think it should be about personal morals and sexual practices of people.

Maybe it is a problem of not being careful enough.
Krzysztof 2 | 973  
18 Jul 2008 /  #27
It's easy to blame the problems of developing countries on colonialism..

I didn't do it. I only said that the current state of affairs is still a consequence of the colonialism and I meant mostly the political status of most African countries.

I'm afraid Africa would still be suffering many of its economical problems today even if it had been left alone some two-three hundreds years ago. They have a difficult climate, relatively high population (considering the big areas of desert or hardly arable land), but they would probably have better governments, formed in a natural fight for power that we have everywhere.

And I also realise the the Soviets (who formally weren't occupying any country) did their share of damage too, providing with weapons all those communist or maoistic guerillas, because they wanted to counteract the Western influence in the region.
masks98 27 | 289  
19 Jul 2008 /  #28
The above I dont agree with. It's easy to blame the problems of developing countries on colonialism..

yes it is very easy since the impact is so obvious, especially in africa's case.
Harry  
21 Jul 2008 /  #29
Im shocked he will only be looking at 3 years!

He's not. He is looking at ten years if he is convicted.

Of course it is not certain that he will be convicted, right now he is innocent. However, it is certain that he has been imprisoned for the last year and a half and held in conditions worse than those in which convicted criminals are held.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
21 Jul 2008 /  #30
However, it is certain that he has been imprisoned for the last year and a half and held in conditions worse than those in which convicted criminals are held.

How so, surely remand facilities are the same as prison facilities? or is it different in Poland...

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