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How Poles truly feel about their situation in Poland and being in EU?


Puzzler 9 | 1,088  
29 Jul 2007 /  #31
re: one of my Polish friends from Czestochowa

- Are these alleged friends of yours as 'Polish' as you are?

How is Mrs Wolinska-Brus doing nowadays?
:)
ola123  
29 Jul 2007 /  #32
UK, Germany, Holland and a few other countries who like the UK get ABSOLUTLY NOTHING from the EU except the bill

You rape "new" countries in EU, I wouldnt say its nothing except the bill.
Arien  
29 Jul 2007 /  #33
I never raped anyone, nor have I raped any country. As far as I'm concerned you're my sister and I love you unconditionally.

And I really don't expect anything in return, you'll discover the truth yourself one day, so have a nice day Ola. :)
Daisy 3 | 1,224  
29 Jul 2007 /  #34
Arien

Nice response :)
Michal - | 1,865  
29 Jul 2007 /  #35
Down with kmiot ! Crush the psychopat.

Why what are you going to crush me with? Your useless recently gained Polish degree which in Sweden qualifies you to sweep the streets?

se alleged friends of yours as 'Polish' as you are?

No, even more so
dannyboy 18 | 248  
29 Jul 2007 /  #36
Why do you think this Michal?

especially possibility to getting work wherever you wanted and easy travelling withour visas) while we were trying to join the European Union. For me now it's just easier and I appreciate it.

I believe what your saying, but I feel its important to stress that it wasn't only Poland.
Friends or people I've met from Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, even the Ukraine have similar stories.

The schizophrenic mindset of which your writing was the norm for communisim, not the exception, based on what I've heard.

I suppose modern 'capitalist/socialist' governments in the West have similar contradictions. We tax [punish] those who work hard through the balls, and the people who are too lazy to go out and get a job get social welfare [reward].
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149  
29 Jul 2007 /  #37
Why what

Learn your own language, clown.

Your useless recently gained Polish degree which in Sweden qualifies you to sweep the streets?

Kmiot, unlike you I don't have to work in Tesco, so don't worry about me.
Puzzler 9 | 1,088  
29 Jul 2007 /  #38
re: I believe what your saying

- Which is a mistake, I'm afraid. First of all, the British, and especially the English, had an excellent image with the Poles during communism, in spite of the official commie state 'anti-Western' propaganda. There was great admiraton for 'the English' ( i.e. 'Anglicy', the term still used in Poland to describe all the British) e.g. thanks to the British rock (The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Police, etc.). Only very orthodox party activists would fly red flags. There was a widespread dislike of and contempt for the Russians among the vast majority of Poles. The nation was firmly anti-commie. The evidence of this is the great anti-commie outbursts in 1956, 1970, 1976, 1980 (Solidarity). After a while, when the Gierek government liberalised the ban on Western goods, the Pewex shops were open, where one could buy for 'Western' money goods such as blue jeans or Nesca coffee. If you were lucky to have family abroad, you could buy in those stores. What would be so odd about it? The Poles were impoverished by the Russian rip-off. Isn't it much odder that former commie creeps, such as michal, born, raised, and educated in commie Poland - creeps who contributed heavily to the communist oppression of the Poles - were allowed, due to their ethnicity, to immigrate to 'the West' and were taken in with open arms, and were and still are free to vilify Poland and Poles? All this for the purpose of diverting attention from their own dirty deeds. Yeah, how's that that scores of commie criminals were allowed to settle and live comfortably in 'the West'?' Do you have an answer to this, dannyboy? And do you know who Helena Wolinska-Brus is?

:(
PS. As soon as the communists lost power in Poland in 1989, the Polish government made Poland visa-free for the Britsh. Without mutuality on the latter's part, alas.
Michal - | 1,865  
29 Jul 2007 /  #39
Poland in 1989, the Polish government made Poland visa-free for the Britsh.

Oh no, they did not!
Eurola 4 | 1,902  
29 Jul 2007 /  #40
Isn't it much odder that former commie creeps, such as michal, born, raised, and educated in commie Poland - creeps who contributed heavily to the communist oppression of the Poles - were allowed, due to their ethnicity, to immigrate to 'the West' and were taken in with open arms, and were and still are free to vilify Poland and Poles?

I came a couple of creeps of this kind in The US. Highly educated, for free in commie Poland of course, and first to be absorbed by the west because of the "poor me", I'm prosecuted, attitude. Then, they get busy spreading lies and hatred toward a country, which wiped their newborn arses first.

Historically, Poland was the commie country, who had the most outburst against the system and won at the end. Of course Hungry and Czechoslovakia had them too, but the west was looking the other way allowing russian tanks run-over people in the streets. And, these are not medieval or War II times. This is only 2-3 decades back.
Michal - | 1,865  
29 Jul 2007 /  #41
Poland was the commie country, who had the most outburst against the system and won at the end.

I think that it is fair to say that it was not Poland that brought down Communism even though the Poles want you to think that. Russia and the entire Communist system was already bankrupt and was falling apart. Lech Walesa and Solidarnosc were simply a by-product of the rot which was already flowing out from the crumbling empire. The Polish are good farmers but they are not fighters. I am sure that any Pole would like to disagree with me and obviously Poles have their talents but fighting, historically, has never been their strong point, Hungarians, Russians and Romanians maybe but the poor Poles were always a little out of their depths as to which way to hold the gun!
Lady in red  
29 Jul 2007 /  #42
I am sure that any Pole would like to disagree with me and obviously Poles have their talents but fighting, historically,

You just have to continue to insult the Polish people don't you? Brave Polish people who lost their lives fighting for my freedom and yours !!

What on earth are you doing on a Polish Forum is the question I would like to ask you ?

As far as I am concerned you should be banned from this Forum !!
Michal - | 1,865  
29 Jul 2007 /  #43
One thing that has to be remembered here is that Poland as it was then, a different Poland with different boarders was one of the first countries to be overthrown in 1939. When I was in Moscow in the 1980's the Poles would say the same thing and yes, it is true, that Poles came to England and engaged the enemy overseas. However, there were many other unsung heros who contributed in proportion to their size of population even more. I am thinking of the many Rhodesians, South Africans, New Zealanders and, by the way, many of these airman in England were in fact Czech! The answer from the Poles I knew in Moscow was always the same, total silence! The Rhodesians were very few on the ground even in their own country yet sacrificed so much of themselves in the name of the U.K. during the last war. These countries had very little in common with the European land mass and could have easily stayed away all together due to their geographic isolation. We thanked them, either by handing the lands in to the hands of Stalin, or, as in the case of Rhodesia, by stabbing them in the back on HMS Tiger with our wonderful British prime Minister, Harold Wilson in the mid 1960's. The Australian and New Zealand contribution we thanked by turning our backs on them we turned instead to Europe. That is why we no longer can buy New Zealand butter, only Dutch, French or Polish rubbish. As an English girl, I would suggest that you read up on your own dreadful history before you shout ban, ban, ban!
Lady in red  
29 Jul 2007 /  #44
i t is true, that Poles came to England and engaged the enemy overseas

rubbish !! utter tripe and rubbish.

not worth spending time on any further replies. you don't know what the heck you are talking about. I never realised how ignorant you were till this evening.

END OF..............
Eurola 4 | 1,902  
29 Jul 2007 /  #45
LiR, his primary objective is to post inflammatory nonsense, and sadly, he is getting away with it...I thought this kind of behavior was forbidden.

It is different, when people state their opinion, good or bad, but his posts are just one track mind rubbish.
Lady in red  
29 Jul 2007 /  #46
That is why we no longer can buy New Zealand butter, only Dutch, French or Polish rubbish.

....we have new zealand butter, new zealand cheese, new zealand kiwi fruits, new zealand lamb...........er shall I carry on..............I live on planet earth maybe you heard of it ?

I've replied to this part so people can see what nonsense you speak.

I will not reply to any more messages of yours Michal, it is a waste of time to do so :(

.
PolskaDoll 28 | 2,099  
29 Jul 2007 /  #47
Oh LiR what is he going on about? He's so biased, this is why I gave up on him a few days ago. He's not worth even thinking about. Admin is thinking of banning him (see random chat).

PD x :-)
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
29 Jul 2007 /  #48
that Poles came to England and engaged the enemy overseas.

I read this as a reference the Polish who made their way to England and joined the Free Polish who then went on to fight in North Africa etc

cualann-scottish-books.co.uk/books/lion.htm
Lady in red  
29 Jul 2007 /  #49
Eurola, I have to agree.

I think I have made my views known. I love coming into this forum. But I don't wish to be associated with someone who is so abusive :(

I am struggling with this today :(

PD x :-)

...thanks PD. :)
PolskaDoll 28 | 2,099  
29 Jul 2007 /  #50
I've been there LiR. Like I said above, read random chat (one page back). Michal is skating on the thin stuff!
osiol 55 | 3,921  
29 Jul 2007 /  #51
I'm not here to judge you Kanazuki, but we're (Ireland) supposed to be a rich country, but I can't afford to have kids yet nor can many of my friends, so its not so different from Poland.

I agree. The Polish workers in my company cost more money than employees on contract, but are paid less. It's all about your spending power. I am paid a very good wage compared to a Pole in Poland doing the same job, but I can just about afford to live. I pay my mortgage, pay the bills. Then I can afford some reasonable food, but there's still too much month left at the end of the money.

You don't have to get rid of the zloty. We still have the pound (all that really means is real coins that don't feel like their toy ones made of plastic). Most importantly, you don't have to get rid of the grosz.
Eurola 4 | 1,902  
29 Jul 2007 /  #52
I am struggling with this today :(

Many of us do...and I would never judge posters from UK based on him.

[i] (anyway, we know who he is, but he still doesn't get it)]
smooth_jazz 7 | 71  
29 Jul 2007 /  #53
You know I think it's kind of sad, because this thread really has the potential for some very stimulating conversation and getting to see things from different perspectives and gain some insight, and instead people start being abusive and start arguing. I hope this thread and ones like in the future can stay on topic better and not get off track by people's hate and narrow minded views.
Lady in red  
29 Jul 2007 /  #54
I read this

thanks szkotja.............I know the history from family memebers who were there at the time..........sort of first hand information........

look at Michals previous posts..........about the polish people......:(

I don't intend discussing any of Michals posts from now on, he seems to get a kick out of knocking the Polish people, all the time......:( I'm not taking part in it any more.

this thread really has the potential for some very stimulating conversation

I agree but ridiculing Polish people who fought long and hard during the second world war and lost absolutely everything is not acceptable, in my book.
ogorek - | 165  
29 Jul 2007 /  #55
I am sure that any Pole would like to disagree with me and obviously Poles have their talents but fighting, historically, has never been their strong point

Michal - before you post - check your facts. This was posted by a US soldier earlier.

m33073 - Quote Mar 3, 07, 08:50 . #125

I have not even read the rest of the comments about your topic or subject but this pisses me off BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Polish jokes exist for one reason and one reason only. Your country is very Catholic. There is A LOT of Anti-Catholicism in the world. Your country and your country men "stick to your guns" you never have to explain for that or make apologies for that. That is what REAL MEN AND WOMEN DO!!! So would you rather be a Frenchman who gave up the capital of their country in 6 weeks? Your fore-father's fought, they fought hard, and they knew they would probably be slaughtered. They ******* fought anyway. That is what men and woman do. Dogs bark, babies cry, and men fight. I am a US soldier. I have been to hell and back. Came home and gone back to hell again. I have fought next to Brits, Australians, French, you name it. But holy ******* ****. Give me a ******* Pole in my foxhole and I know I will live to see my family once again. Your Army is ******* BAD ASS!!! You guys may be small but you are definitely not pussies and you fight like there is no tommorrow. They say there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole. ********!!! There is no such thing as having a ******* Pole next to you and know you are going home. You guys are ******* hard core, ass kicking, name taking, sons of ******* (and i mean that in the best possible way, if there is a way to take it). You guys are fun, funny, and professional. Just so everyone who reads this knows, I am not of Polish decent. But ******* A, the US Army loves you guys. We see a Pole and he is an instant friend. Do not worry what these dumb fucks say about you and your heritage, worry about being around a US Soldier and try to keep him from killing some ignorant ******* for insulting you. Do your US Soldier a favor and keep him out of Leavenwoth, dont let him kill an ignorant *******. By the way, the Australians rock too, BIG TIME!!!
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
29 Jul 2007 /  #56
look at Michals previous posts

I take your point.

I had relatives in Rhodesia that flew with the SAAF in WWII so his post struck a chord.
Lady in red  
29 Jul 2007 /  #57
I take your point.

thanks........ :)

I appreciate your post a lot x
smooth_jazz 7 | 71  
29 Jul 2007 /  #58
I agree but ridiculing Polish people who fought long and hard

......

I also agree with your point.
Lady in red  
29 Jul 2007 /  #59
thanks :)
ogorek - | 165  
29 Jul 2007 /  #60
but they are not fighters.

Michal - who took Monte Casino when nobody else could?

has never been their strong point

Michal - who defeated the Turks at the seige of Vienna (and saved Europe)?

Poles were always a little out of their depths

Michal - who defeated the Tutonic Knights at the battle of Grunwald?

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