Microsoft Poland whitens a black face in its advert

What about M Jackson he also whitens himself, new trend or what?

Now not anymore.

That rises the question - Was M Jackson white or black?

Do you think that Microsoft Poland had their hands in his whitening?

Where else but in America can you be born a poor black child and die a rich white man??

:)

His whitening began before he came to do his tour in Poland, so it is possible that racist Poland would only accept him into the country had he whitened himself... he eventually gave in.


Once again. There are not many black people in Poland, so why should there be advertisements with black people on the cover? EVEN IF the product sells the same, it is fair to assume by the marketing department, that it may sell better if they change the black guy to a white guy in predominantly white Poland.

Stop searching for a deeper meaning to this then there actually is.

Last I checked the 50 cent and Beyonce concerts in Poland sold pretty well... I guess then it is fair to say that Poles arent racist, but in fact fans of sh!t music?

According to you he was white !?

He was a wannabe white.

According to you he was black!?

You mean born to be back ?

Once black for ever black?

What about wannabe mulatto ? Sunshine is never too much:D

Well he wasnt the same colour he was born or have the same nose or chin or cheeks or hair, he had caucasian features (in a screwed up way - Brad Pitt after a car crash kind of look).

I agree totally with wzgrza, people will identify with their own kind, in Poland the average male who the marketing is targeted at is white.

99% of cosmetics adverts in the UK are protrayed by white women, is this racist or is because the vast majority of women in the UK who buy these products are white?

I can list all the adverts for cosmetics and perfumes if you like to prove my point?

For sure...youtube.com/v/ri61lBfMBu0

Well, does it make him white or black or something entirely new - something in between?
Self-made almost white person !
Is genetic heritage decisive ?
Maybe his perception is more important ?

There is so much about womens being jailed in the mans body's - maybe he was a white person born with Negro's body ?

HAHAHAHAHAHA, did you know that the guys central in he real story on which "Mississippi Burning" was based, listened to Sam Cooke (in case you don't know him, he is black and probably the best singer there has ever been) and said they just loved to hear him sing, right before they went out to kill some of those darn "n*i*g*g*e*r*s"? Music is universal, even the biggest racist can listen to black music, but nonetheless hate black ppl.

Once again, I know why they did it and I still haven't heard the correct answer. Hurry! Time to win the 10.000 € is running out.

M-G (quizmaster)

Perhaps some would listen, but surely they would not come to his concert to watch the black man perform live.

If this happened in Kenya and a black guys faced replaced a white guys face there would be absolutley zero stink about this. But since it's a fkin black guy the world is up in arms. Love the double standards.

As for the real issue why they did it, if everybody is wrong so far I don't know. Maybe the black guy said he doesnt want to be in Microsofts commercial anymore, so they had to insert a different head to avoid some sort of law suit.

For marketing reasons if they left black guy, or from the start had a white guy it wouldn't made the news.
Now they have advertisement for free!
Correct Heer Slim ?

Nope, but as everybody here, it's getting close. Tomorrow I will tell you why.

U is eveneens Nederlands? Goed, maar daar had je wel eens eerder mee kunnen komen, Pipo!

M-G (grmbl, I hate clowns => proposes an anti-clown thread or even forum)

Please use English ONLY in this thread.

Does anyone really care?

define "really" :P

She really, really cares :)

M-G (knows)

really ?
How come :D?

I dont really care if the world ends tomorrow because I cant really do anything about it ;0)


Seriously I dont, you just look like some sad attention seeker, I thought it was on silly girls that conducted themselves like you do?

That's what they said about the Vista before it came out. More secure, more reliable, more potential to fuel your business etc. What did Bill Gates said during news broadcast for the functionality of Windows 98 when blue screen of death appeared during the presentation “that's why we're not shipping 98 yet”. Any of you remember The great Polish Sea in XP ? If they actually spend as much money on actually developing their product as they do on advertisement they might get it right. Well no one ever accused them of having a rational and talented people on staff in either department as this advertisement debacle in Poland illustrates. They had to scrap entire 30 seconds of hard work and months of planning, discussions, proposals and meetings before this has been approved. A word of advice for microsoft or anyone that works for them; DETAILS, DETAILS.

not really, was too young and being from melbourne it was all a sideshow.

Details are widely available on Inet. Just have to look for them. Windows Vista was actually a premature release of the form Windows 7 has. Like Windows 2000 basically served as a forerunner of WinXP. And besides, if I may believe what is circling around, Windows 7 will probably be the last version of Windows based on local machine; the follow up will be stored on huge server parks and your pc will act as a terminal. You buy a license and with that you log in to that specific server and you have your OS there, including all your files. Pros are that you don't need heavy machinery anymore and can access your very own desktop from any place in the world, con is I don't like the idea that all your stuff is stored on a -although heavily guarded literally with security officers- remote machine. I like to have my stuff on my own machine. But that's something for the next 5 years or so. Those are the plans, I am not 100% sure they are actually going to fulfill them.


Sweetie, you always know how to hit the nail on the head :) I don't need attention and you know that very well, I just talk a lot :)

M-G (nah)

Just a thought of having my personal stuff stored on remote server somewhere where I'm not in control makes me cringe. I rather spend my money on hardware then pay a license fee to Microsoft anyhow. I've been running Linux for about 10 years or so now on all my home computers anyway and I find it way more reliable than Microsoft. This idea of theirs will not be well received by people. Can you imagine small business not in control of their own data? It wreaks of one world order and big brother watching you every step. As for security, microsoft was never known for that and data is being stolen all the time from credit cards companies. Who will trust some big corporation to keep their livelihood on their servers, be dependant on them for security and pay huge licensing fees and support and not being a master of your own destiny. I myself don't see it happening just yet unless Microsoft squeezes the competition out

Maybe he was talking about something more like archiving servers, working copy will be local of course, but there are companies using cloud computing like that. And generally I think it's all going in that direction.. remote everything, fi. onLive..

Piorun

Stability is not an issue anymore since Win2K. Personally I don't like Linux, and unless it comes with all the programs I use and need, I might consider it. However, it's a given fact that way out most programs are available for Windows. So I use Windows out of practicality, not because of anything else. And besides, Linux is too much hassle to set up, although those later version are more user-friendly. And this is also the main point of the success of Windows: user-friendliness.

Cloud computing is not new. Linux also has a few flavors and Windows Azure is also already on its way. Just do a search on Google for Windows Azure.

Pros are that you always will have an up to date desktop, smaller machines needed (in theory you should have enough with 512K mem, smaller proc, etc) quicker interchangeability with co-workers and so on. Have a look: microsoft.com/azure/windowsazure.mspx

M-G (busy)

I'm not advertising Linux here, to each their own, besides just because the technology exist dose not mean that this ideas time has come. Will costumer be happy with such arrangement? Sure form the business point of view it's good when you run it as a service for which you can charge whatever the market can bear. Not owning the hardware needed or software may save you initially some money but you wind up paying even more over the long run by renting everything you need from your service provider. For average home user the cost is not that great for what he needs now. If anything goes wrong you always know a guy who knows a guy to fix it for you or set things up the way you want it without being told you can't do that, if you can't do it yourself.

To maximize their profit I imagine the model that would be adapted for such business would be based on existing service providers model; be it ISP, Satellite TV, Cable TV etc. even if initially they sell you on a totally different concept. They would offer their services in some sort of package deals which would mean you pay for stuff even though you don't need it or would have a real choice as to what you would like and relinquish the control over yourself to them because you would be totally dependent on them since you are no longer in possession of your own data. The place that it resides on you only rent and you have no physical excess to it period. They might offer a custom set-up for larger businesses for which they would pay extra anyway, but everyone else would have to choose from package deals on the menu currently being offered limiting your choice as to software you would like to use.

This sort of thing happens all the time now. Every time you buy a brand new computer with pre-installed software and I myself have been paying licensing fees to Microsoft and others for years now even though I'm not using it. This idea has been concocted so Microsoft can have greater control over their product and stop the so called piracy of their product. They cry about piracy yet they are pirates themselves. They've been extorting money from costumers like myself for years now legally and for me having no legal recourse or choice but to pay the extra fees because their OS or software is pre-installed. I'm not happy about it, but it's a small price to pay, besides it's a one time fee every time I buy a new laptop or PC but I'll be damn if I pay that fee to them on a monthly basis.

If anything goes wrong with the service the priorities are always set up by the number of terminals you rent from them, the large corporation will be serviced earlier then an insignificant individual. For a home user losing such a service from your provider for couple of days will be annoying but amounting to be the same as experiencing a computer crash and having to take it to be serviced. You're not benefiting here either. For small business it will be devastating, you not only lose one PC but all of them with no way for you to excess your own data and conduct your business.

The way I see it, for me personally, there's way too many cons for such a service and the benefits none existent, I'm not saying that such a system will never be implemented. If a big business gets sold on the idea eventually it will trickle down to a home user, but for now it would be just one more bill at the end of the month.

Piorun

Well, like I said the choice is for everybody indivitually to make. MS isn't the only one, in the future it's expected that everybody will start to work like this. And even Linux will start charging some fee as is being rumored for a while now. I want ease of usage and Windows gives me this and that's why I use it, not because I work for MS. Although it has its advantages, free OS'es and so on :)

But I still don't like putting all my stuff on some remote server. So probably I will make that switch as late as pssbl.

To answer the question about why MS changed the face of a coloured gentleman into a white gentleman for the Polish market: this wasn't decided by the central marketing dept, it was a kind of "wild" action by the Polish sub-division; they didn't like the fact that it was a dark person. Not only out of personal preference, but also because the coloured gentleman would lead to remarks, more or less nasty and sales would drop. That's why the Polish dept of MS decided to do a lousy PhotoShop job. The central marketing dept did not condone this.

M-G (nearly time to go home)

so what??