JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND

I'm sorry Yehudi i dont speak yiddysh so i wouldnt know where to look.

msostrowiecki.salon24.pl/57269,bedziemy-nienawidziec-ich-z-powodu-udzialu-w-zbrodniach

Tak brzmi, strona izraelska twierdzi że już wycofana, instrukcja dla młodzieży żydowskiej wyjeżdżającej do Polski, kraju rodzinnego dużej części obecnych obywateli Izraela.

"So states the (now withdraw according to the Israeli side) instruction for the Israeli Youths leaving for Poland, the homeland of the large part of todays Israels citizens."

Its been a pretty large issue in its time.


The horse has been flogged so many times i'm tired of it, its not an issue of teenagers but socially approved prejudice in Israel that results in our citizens and property being targeted by outlanders, its assaults, robberies, vandalism, handcuffing, blocking the streets etc.


So its ok for them to assault our citizens because grandpa got gassed by Germans? Are you on crack?


It needs to be stirred because if we wont talk about it they'll keep getting away with it.

Oh so now your saying that there should be a nanny state controlling the behaviour of those deemed to be innocent by the law?


Show me some proof, as I said before I lived in the Jewish center in Krakow, never heard a Pole here complain about them. Only thing they complained about was the fact they were Jewish.


I wonder how a bunch of drunk teens from Poland would behave in Israel?
For a country which should really have learnt from the past, your views are still stuck behind 1939.

Sean, they should be held to standards of conduct just like everyone else. Did you know an American teenager or young adult was punished in Singapor or someplace in Asia because he was vandalizing and being disrespectful and the authorities told him "excuse me, but you cannot act that way here." and they threw the book at him and they had every right to throw it, too. He was acting stupid and they called him on it. Then he went whining to the American Embassy about it but truth is he shouldn't have been acting like that in the first place. He wasn't in the US so he has to expect something different.

It's the same in this situation. Act up and be held responsible. Accept the consequences.

Everybody should respect the country they are in, but just put the brakes on here. There is a big difference between an adult and a teenager.

If there is a problem, then let the police deal with it. nuff said.
This just stinks of the Poles needing another excuse to get their back up.

I can tell you from personal experience how drunk teens from Poland behave in the UK. I spent three summers working at language schools where teenagers stayed and learned English. The three worst nationalities for getting drunk and acting like twats were (in order) the Croats, the Russians and the Poles.

Where I live in the US it isn't tolerated. They get in trouble with the police if they get caught spray painting a wall. It's because if no one cared, every single space would be covered with graffiti. It's that big a problem. You have to make a stand or it's going to be an impossible headache of a situation.

The Poles have every right to demand this type of behaviour stop. You would have to be anti Polish to not understand that what the Israelis did was wrong and needed to be stopped.

So first question is what experience have you got to do with this? Or are you basing everything on newspapers?


Every single place in Krakow is covered with graffiti....whats your point?


Oh shut up with that stupid bile, anti-polish, feckin hell you know nothing. When was the last time you lived here?

There's a lot of anti Polishness in Europe and after being on this forum a while, I begin to see why Poles are so grumpy, complaining, and have a bad attitude. Look at what they gotta put up with!

How would you know? via a forum? again when was the last time you lived in Poland, or even Europe?

Well..what we saw before, during and after wwII is a great example of how anti polish Europe is..

There's no point in going off topic with this. Israel has responded to the needs of Poland in this matter and that's what's important and there's nothing anyone on this forum can post that will change that!

jeez Plastic Pole how old ARE you? Youre doing very well!!!

Cos you are the expert on that, come on, have you ever lived in Europe? stop avoiding the question.


Around 12 i think...

The topic isn't about me and where I have lived.

Well then how can you have a true opinion on it if you have no experience of it what so ever?
Am i right on saying that you base all your opinions on second hand information?

My opinion is just as valid as yours. Just because I don't bleat your opinion back to you like some mindless sheep doesn't mean my opinion isn't just as important.

Your opinion is fine, just based on nothing but your own thoughts....which again are self centered. Which make your opinions worthless to the discussion, since you cant base them on anything. Trust me, i need no sheep to help me call out someone.

So anyway, when was the last time you were in Europe? Poland? actually are you Polish?

Quite right. The fact that you base your opinion on secondhand rubbish is what makes your opinion completely worthless and unimportant.

They are only self centered to you because you don't agree with them. Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't make yours the right one. Maybe you are biased and completely wrong but won't admit it because you want to save face? I could easily say that about you but since I don't know, I won't.

You, on the other hand, will continue to libel me, I'm sure.

Hmmm....why so defensive. I wonder?

Man, some of you people are just crazy and anti Polish. What they say is right about you. lol.

Its like arguing with a teenager. Ok so what is your opinion based on? Life in Poland? Experience of feeling like a second class person living in Europe?

Why is it you cant answer that question?
I base my opinions on what people here (in Poland) say and think. Good or bad.


Yeah, nice one saying that to one of the most prolific pro-poland members.
Go on scream it again cos you haven't a leg to stand on....anti-Polish!

Back on topic please...

I am, im trying to ask her what she bases her opinions on. Why she thinks Europe is anti-polish. And in turn asking whats she bases her opinions on the Jews destroying Poland. I dont think that is so bad, unless im not allowed to ask why she thinks in such away, or why she thinks im anti polish cos i have an opposite view to hers.

Not just you dt ;)

Note to all: JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN PL

Thank you.

To be specific there should be a Police officer assigned to those trips, young Jews or their bodyguards who are caught doing their stuff should be detained and charged, after we bust 10 or 20 in our charming prisons they'll clean up their act amazingly fast.


Can you speak Polish?

tur-info.pl/p/ak_id,21009,,izrael,ochroniarze,izraelscy_ochroniarze,krakow,kazimierz,mike_urbaniak,atak.html
szczelo.salon24.pl/39161,relacje-polsko-izraelskie-casus-mlodzi-izraelczycy-i-ich-ochro

There's a bazilion articles, the problem is not exactly new, in fact its not some jewish trips, its most jewish trips.


What kind of an arrogant stupid remark is that? My views are behind 1939 because i dont want Jews assaulting my people?

Well if it is happening where you are from, then keep to your views. The only problem i have with jews, is the tour groups arrange in Israel that offer bodyguard protection as a bonus.

Then again the amount of weird neo-nazi's who now live in Kaz at the moment i dont blame them :D

All based on distorted history and BS. Why don't Jews go to Hitler's birthtown and smear excrement there? That's how stupid this tit-for-tat game is. Why should modern day people suffer for the acts of previous generations? They are not binding on us. Hitler was the man they wanted and he committed suicide. Why should residents of Hitler's birthplace be tainted?

Hitler was an animal and wasn't taken out quick enough. The international community of those times must be held to account. NOT these times.

Haven't you noticed the trend away from Nazi Germany? I was raised hearing in school how horrific Nazi Germany was and they were the ones responsible for the holocaust. I never heard anything about Poles having anything to do with it until just recently. Why the shift away from the real perpetraitors? Suddenly people are kissing Germany's ass for some reason.

I agree wholeheartedly, Seanus. Awhile back, I moved to Berlin much to the chagrin of my grandfather (who fought in WWII). He was absolutely livid that I could do this after all the 'evil' (his word) the Germans had spread in the world. My argument was 'that was then, this is now' - punishing a society for the sins of their fathers seemed silly to me then and still today.

Remember the past - yes; learn from the past - absolutely; punish a society for sins from the past - absolutely not.

Hard to disagree, or agree, for that matter.
Only sins from the past should be punished. You can't really punish anybody for sins from the future, can you?

That wasn't the point he was making Dariusz. He was saying that there is a lasting effect from crimes/sins of the past that have carried through to the present.

I think you are wrong on the second point too. Just look at the pre-emptive doctrine of Bush. From the future, no, but sins for the future, yes. He was willing to strike regimes that he felt were a threat but we all know the evidence to be cooked up nonsense. He was gonna do this for acts that hadn't already been committed.

Nothing like guilty until proven innocent, a principle we hold dear (innocent until proven guilty, that is, lol)

At some point you have to forgive and move on. Why not do that now?