Poland's Future Includes Fewer Poles, More Foreigners

I have a lot of Polish and Romanian friends here shelly and they are hard working and pay their taxes and embrace the British way of life as well as keeping their own customs... Not all immigrants are our ememy. If it wasn't for the Indian's we would still be using Roman Numerals and would our mathematicians exceeded in science the way they did if it were not for the number '0' ? What faith would the majority of us have if it wasn't for the asians and europeans travelling miles to bring Christianity to the island. What about Einstein...need I say more.


In my opinion, obesety is down to the individual...the reason people are so fat is because they like to blame someone or something else to justify themselves....no one forces them to eat the food, they shove it in their own mouths and then sit and watch soaps all say and night.


I have learned to cook different dishes from my friends, in my own kitchen. Hands on experience is far better than a book; would you not agree.

We would have managed, believe me!

Well now you're in some muddied waters with this one. I have no idea of the numbers but has there been a definitive study which compares the taxed earnings of immigrants coming from 3rd world or developing economies with the expense of public services used by said immigrants within Britain. I think we might be down to speculation on both sides of the argument on this one. But correct me if i'm wrong, this is just a guess on my part.


That is a non-sequitor to the overall question. They can be good looking as well, but how does that prove they benefit the economy of their host country (again this is regarding large populations of 3rd world and developing world immigrants within a host country). Hard working doesn't equal big earnings and it doesn't mean their employers are always treating them well or not paying them a pittance (illegally) in favour of hiring indigenous labour.


I hope no one is suggesting that or using this discussion as a platform to promote that idea. This being said, i find it hard to argue that encouraging large swaths of foreigners into a given country en masse is a good way to promote unity and stability within a given community. I think the focus is on large numbers here.

It's completely natural and predictable that if 10k people from the Land of Oz were to settle in London within a 1 year period, there is a very high chance that they would all live near eachother and as much as possible try to keep their culture and customs alive within a microcommunity of Oz. That's human nature. But would that have a positive effect on the city of London and its' indigenous population, its' economy, its' social stability, its' political landscape?

Now let's add a couple more different groups from Eden and Cain (i'm out of fictional places so forgive the biblical references) of 10k into London from and in similar time frames and further the question.

What's good for me as an immigrant may not be good for my host country and it's host population, my aims and the aims of my hosts can very easily be mutually exclusive.

Can't.

The world was supposed to be where it is now, and the future towards us are also what should be. This is the way the world goes forward... crying over it, instead of helping towards it... is the work of ignorance.


None, and I hope none happens.

See, these things have happened in places where there exists a lack of understanding between immigrants and locals. I dont blame either party, as this was probably a learning curve. Hopefully the Poles will have more experience and use it to avoid such disturbances.

Immigration is not abnormal. Resistance to immigration is nothing new. This happened among Europeans aswell... we had small clashes among us, and clashes so big that it ripped us apart (not going into the details). However, we have learned and moved forward to acceptance and regard (or atleast we try to make an honest effort towards it). These diverse people, often ignored, often less accepted and lowly spoken of... not given adequate respect and care...turn against its leaders and neighbours out of frustration. Afterall, their Government (parent) is the country which they have now come to... and their neighbours are their family.

Like a frustrated child... these people leap on to make noise and do all the bad stuff. Not all the immigrants do it... but those who are from low income, and low status criteria. Like a child in a family, which feels like getting less love and less attention...these people often try and gain attention! Such situation is in Brazil with its own local native population also (I saw it in a channel).

We should be more sensitive, and understand that the solution is not through force, but better understanding and more efficient utilization of available resources.

As for Poland... I think our own past, our own mentality and our sensitivities about our own status gives us a unique opportunity to accept and integrate better...

However... we are not the primary immigrant destination :P ... we are just... a homogeneous country of poles (and a few ukrainias...russians...etc :) ). Ofcourse...there are people of other countries too... but less. Too less :D.

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If not for the Indians, we would have thought of the number '0' ourselves soon enough. Some mathematician would just feel the urge to express nothingness in the form of a numeral and bang! :)

Isnt it? :)


I have stated these information through valid information taken from 'Readers Digest' magazine (best magazine in the world) and also I have seen documentaries about how students from 3rd world countries (specially india and china) do better in education in USA and the other western nations ... as they have more sacrifices and many other phsychological factors.


In many ways. Labour, commerce, science... Just see the French football team... or the top British businessmen/women ... its like, they bring diverse intelligence.. gives a country alot of power and variety of thinking dimentions. If you think about it deeply yourself, it will not be difficult to see the point.


That I dont think can actually work.

I know... they probably try hard and maintain the dresses (for a couple of generations) and the food (which we can adopt ourselves if its tasty)... and then?... nope... cant work. I say, once a person puts her/his first step out of the plane in a foreign land and try to call it theirs....changes start to happen from that very instant. They cannot remain the same.

I wouldn't say that, have you not noticed the number of Indians that are flocking to work and study - you are in the EU now :)


I didn't say all immigration was wrong - I'm more than happy for Europeans to come to the UK.

Pitty a large proportion of Indians cant count - maybe they should take full advantage of their own inventions :) and we owe many things to many countries, Im fully aware of that - As for Asians bringing Christianity to England..how strange, I thought it was Joseph of Arimathea who was actually from Jerusalem, he was Jewish (what we would now call an Israeli but at that time it was classed soley as a nationality) so neither European or Asian. :)


Not really Pan, since Im a very good cook and like most I cook to my own taste so generally deviate from the a recipe, it's just a guide line :)


Wrong - here you go :)

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not bad :P

But when I was in UK, I saw asian ppl wearing western dresses...


not many really... here in lodz, in my university...were just a handful... could count on fingers. All of them except a few from other departments stayed (made family) in Poland... and are well off.

Usually... some move to France... and guess where they go most :) ... U...KKKK :P... to your home :), to be family!

Im sure you did, but quite a few wear the shalwar kameez - visit an asian area (asian ghettos) and you would be hard pushed to find someone with Westernised clothes.


Yep, that will be after they gain some residency card in Poland - don't worry that will change.

Within a 10 year period 1K would marry outside their community...1K would go back home...1K would use it a a stepping stone to emigrate...7k wouls stay exactly as they are now...


It could...and it will if your westernization is the same as ours....I have one word.....one word only...may God shoot me in the head if I'm wrong.....CAPITALISM

I dont think Poland is moving towards 'westernization'. We dont have to borrow from west... we can have our own way of life. Not to say you have wrong, but I think its just not suitable for us.

There are really many good things many Poles like about the East. And there are good things from the west. And their are wonderful aspects of our own community. Together we would prefer to move ahead with an evolutionised Polish community...rather being 'westernized'. Western values dont attract always...sorry.


East London?

See.. westernized would be a crude word. I think its a more Euro outlook. Modest dresses are not bad.

Then... why narrow ourselves to dresses. People wear according to their taste :). I guess it can be ok. But for the point... I still think Europeans with asian ethnicity do wear more Euro dresses. (but if they like to wear their own...i wouldnt mind).

Well...praising the immigrants in other countries and how great it is and a post later praying the same fate won't befell your own home country is surely one of the most hypocritical things I read here on PF!

But let me tell you some easy truth.....the moment Poland get's richer THEY WILL COME! And you will soon faced with all the great things the masses of immigrants will bring with them, all their inventions and cuisine, and you can adore them from home!

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PS: You know...if a country nowadays could choose between only "good" immigration (means valuable, skilled workers who assimilate without problems) and the gritty truth, don't you think they would have done so???

Why do you think Poland will be different to GB, Germany or France (or every western country for that part)?
You are in the EU now and as long as the EU doesn't close the borders and build a real big wall (or changes the laws at least) THEY WILL COME after you next!!!

Surely he was a Christian


Israel is now a continent?

The truth is that Poland will not get richer without the support of righteous and most intelligent immigrants of other nations. The Poles were robbed of their highest intelligence by German SS (most) and Russian NKVD, the Genoms are away since then.

Furthermore Poles cannot have the necessary experience regarding the true mechanisms that are working in capitalists' world. That would be no problem if EU, German State/concerns would be interested in true friendship with the Polish People, but they are not! The truth about that is that all governments in EU are only interested in maximal growing of power of their own corporations.

Poland is not more than an easy to get booty for the sharps in capitalistically developed EU countries. German capitalists are absolutely decided to fulfill what German tanks failed to fulfill by lies and economical power. That is the truth.

Jewish was his nationality - not his religion - did I not make that clear? Was Jesus not a Jew? He was also a Christian.


Is in the the Middle East - Southwestern Asia (Asia is quite a large place) - but would you refer to an Israeli as an asian?


But it's easy for a person who lives in a country where 99% of the population are indiginous...give him time, he will soon understand that mass 3rd world immigration isn't all it's cracked up to be :) But then again if he likes curry and looking at women in veils and his kids playing with these dollies :)

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As everyone can see there is no interest on the side of several writers here to discuss the true problems. Intelligent readers should recognize what that means.

And what does it mean Mr S?

A blonde "suicide barbie"???

Not sharps, but sharks:


I better should have written: by lies, corruption and economical power.


That means that those sharks pay writers in this forum for taking care that reason and truth will be pushed down here and that there are almost wishy-washy entries here which cannot give any true help for necessary solutions of the problems of Poland.

Winfried Sobottka, a speaker of German Anarchists in Austria and in FRG, who want a strong Poland and the Polish people as our true Sisters and Brothers.

PS.: I haven't written anything about "Suicide Barbie" but I have taken knowlegde that the quote-function in this forum does not always work correctly.

She is in disguise to fool those stupid western men :) It's really a 6' 5" man underneath :)

Hallo, Shelly, Bratwurst and Co.!

I have found out that Germanic SS-Satanists have decided to begin public relations in their own subjects slowly.

Of course - it is a mixture of crazyness and nonsense, what they do write, misinterpreting the rules of nature, for instance. But anyhow the murdering of Jews, Poles and so on was pure crazyness and nonsense, too.

What I would like to know, Shelley, Bratwurst and Co.: Have You already gotten Your membership-cards?

from: asbrotherhood.tripod.com/id1.html

Are you feeling okay today Sobattka, I'm getting the feelings that things are not going as you like them to?

Things hardly could run better, Shelley. Anarchy is going to be understood and Anarchy is that what all people around the whole world do wish in their deepest souls and wonderful Goddess Anarchy is on her way!

Otherwise You should have more courtezy talking to me: I am a dominator in Your eyes cause I am 100% Aryan and I am a true self dominator cause I am an Anarchist. So You can say anyhow I am a double-dominator regarded by You SS-Satanists.

Can you get them from McDonnalds?

Its not hypocritical.

I didnt say that 'I hope they dont come to us!'... I said 'I expect that the unrest will not happen in Poland'. Personally, I find the Polish people very accepting and friendly. Alot more than many other places!

I think, good immigrants (I support student immigrants more than workers, and if workers then skilled workers) will only be of benefit to us. In every say we can think. If we ourselves learn to accept and adjust with our new neighbours, it will not make us lower or helpless. It will only make us happier and more diverse. More broad and increase knowledge. And this sentiment is carried by most people I have known from my college of university (I mean the ordinary polish boys and girls ...).


By saying this... how can someone feel bigger? Being a first world, while fellow human being is on third world...and feeling big about it...its not my kind of thing.

I think, the world belongs to all of us. And no one had the chance to decide where to born, which race to be, what gender to be...before being conceived. I think no one is to blame on this. You could easily be a Pakestani ... but by luck you are now where you are. Dont take it otherwise... but if you think about it deeply, your heart might agree on it.


Its completely Asian. 100%.

However, Israelis are not 100% Asian. When they migrated west and northward...they were. But then, for so many hundreds and thousands of years... they got mixed to some extent. So probably they are now 50-50 :). But there are Israeli Jews from Arab, even Indian and Iranian background... who are as Asian as an Asian can get!

Shortening words to give them a false sense to defame a person is a mean of SS-Satanists, ShellyS. Any more confessions from You?


PS.: I haven't been sure myself a few days befor but Israel is 100% Asian.

I occasionally watch Coronation Street, but don't tell anyone

ShellyS, the best way to let no one know is to write it in a public forum cause all people are sitting in front of their TVs!

ShellyS, You make really good jokes and You could be a so very, very wonderful woman! Between that and the reality there are only very crazy errors.

What do You think is sense of life? Every woman can get all that she really wants to get, but that way You are going no woman is able to get what she really wants to get!

I think life has it's ups and downs and we hopefully learn by our mistakes. I think sometimes we get what we don't really want and sometimes we want what we can't have and sometimes we get what we need.