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SHOULD POLAND/EUROPE BE WORRIED ABOUT RUSSIA??


celinski 31 | 1,258  
12 Aug 2008 /  #31
The basic threat is not the missiles itself but their navigation system on the ground that's able to track our missiles on the beginning stage of their flight.

Do you feel this is Russia's choice? Is Russia the one that dictates neighbors rights to defend her free country?

why you whole-heartedly believe your media?

In 1951 my family lost their homeland. What Russia wants Russia takes. They call this peace keeping, at least call it what it is.

Russia needs Europes business

They will just shut everyone off fuel.

I see too many individuals all but turn their back on their Polish heritage and take on America's once they immigrate to the U.S.

Not the ones I know, it was a forced immigration and a life of starting over, working in a country that took them in. Mourning the homeland that they were denied.
Arise_St_George 9 | 419  
12 Aug 2008 /  #32
Hardly, Russia has other larger countries to play with, Europe is merely an irritation who seem to be controlled by the US at every turn.

Britain is one of if not Russia's largest investors. The EU's deficit in trade with Russia increased from 41 billion in 2000 to over 70-odd billion today.

As I said... Russia needs Europe.

If their trade with Europe came to a halt then their economy would collapse.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
12 Aug 2008 /  #33
Britain is one of if not Russia's largest investors.

In what? BP? Doesn't the oil belong to Russia?
Arise_St_George 9 | 419  
12 Aug 2008 /  #34
Britain - Russia's trade

Note that it's upto date;

There are challenges. But although we may sometimes disagree on certain issues, we are both certain that the jobs, wealth and the opportunity generated by business between Russia and the UK are essential to our future prosperity.

It remains "business as usual". The benefits of our existing trade and investment relationship are already clear.

Source: berr.gov.uk/pressroom/Speeches/page45994.html

The Russians wouldn't dream of jeopardising it.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
12 Aug 2008 /  #35
Do you feel this is Russia's choice? Is Russia the one that dictates neighbors rights to defend her free country?

I'm sorry but it looks like you're totally ignorant on that issue. I'll try to explain... how this works. Let's say there're country A and country B. They're neither friendly nor enemies. They're neutral. One of the basical things that keep this World in peace is a nuclear parity. It's not bad (well... it is bad but it's caused by rotten human's psychology), it's just the way it is. I assure you everything is being tracked. The USA tracks any move of russian "Topol" ("poplar" intercontinental missile with a separating warhead), we track yours "minitmen" and "peacekeepers" (btw the name of this missile explains everything). If we built a military base on Cuba, we would immediatelly threatened by the US. It's normal. Nothing is wrong with that.

In 1951 my family lost their homeland

Exactly. Thank you for the honest answer. That's a key to your problems.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
12 Aug 2008 /  #36
The Russians wouldn't dream of jeopardising it.

You think that the companies that are operating out of Russia would want to lose that kind of money, Russia is a very very very large country so I would imagine revenue gained by these British companies operating in Russia make the money they earn the UK look like small change! Tell me who has the most to lose?
Arise_St_George 9 | 419  
12 Aug 2008 /  #37
What an utter pile of BULL! When confronting Russia with the Litvinenko issue the UK expelled Russian diplomats. It angered Russia. They wanted revenge and what was that revenge? It was a tit-for-tat expulsion. He didn't dream of touching the trade. Russia needs Britain's trade, let alone Europes. If you disagree with that then I'm wasting my time. You're obviously clueless.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
12 Aug 2008 /  #38
You're obviously clueless.

That must be it!
celinski 31 | 1,258  
12 Aug 2008 /  #39
That's a key to your problems.

They wanted revenge and what was that revenge?

Sasha now who is clueless. If you still cannot see the way Russia takes it is you that is in denial. It is one thing to keep peace and another to bomb pipe lines, not to mention this did not start 5 days ago but a year ago.

Need I also remind you of the revenge taken on Poland even as while pretending to be allies.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
12 Aug 2008 /  #40
My source, rychlik, is Polish news. Nothing that u can't get access to. They said that they were unhappy with the insipid stance of the Polish government. Remember, the Russians didn't support independence for Kosovo, Poland generally did. These issues are divisive for Slavs. KaczyƄski did little to reduce the tension.

My GF clarified what I thought I heard. There were no direct threats but suggestions that the conflict could escalate. Russia is all about noises and posturing
miranda  
12 Aug 2008 /  #41
Russia is all about noises and posturing

that is true. It is all part of the game.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
12 Aug 2008 /  #42
Russia is still locked in dialogue with NATO, hence, many EU states. It summoned an emergency meeting with NATO so it hasn't severed ties. It has just got the attention of the international community. There is a theory that any military needs to be activated if redundant for 5 years. Russia is just providing a show of force. It's bark is worse than it's bite. It is not so unscrupulous as to wipe out large areas. It is not such a closed state like North Korea.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
12 Aug 2008 /  #43
Sasha now who is clueless

Still you are. Or perhaps you're ignoring me intentionally.
Once again.

I asked:

Sasha:

why you whole-heartedly believe your media?

You answered:

In 1951 my family lost their homeland. What Russia wants Russia takes. They call this peace keeping, at least call it what it is.

Firstly does this look like an appropriate response? Hardly...
Do you see the very first sentence of your response? I understand, that's your personal tragedy which has transformed in your mind to... Russophobia. And it's a disorder and nobody can help you to cure it except for you. Every time when something's happening in Russia your mind automatically readdress you to 1951 and it appears that Russia is a monster whatever it does. Hatred and unforgiveness drive you. Georgia headed by mentally deceased man invaded SO, killed there more than 2000 people (many of them were Russian citizens) they could kill more if Russia didn't stop them. And you know call this "what Russia wants Russia takes"? is this all you can say??? Putting it mildly what you said was cynical. You don't give a sh#t about people's lives. Your bygone bitterness is simply stronger than the truth, than sensible view of things. I can't help. You can help yourself.
Babinich 1 | 455  
12 Aug 2008 /  #44
The Poles should study the Georgian situation very carefully.

article.nationalreview

thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/the-advantage-of-the-first-mov.php

Russia is back.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
12 Aug 2008 /  #45
Russophobia

Silly you, I was not even born in 1951. I can read history and what Stalin did was the worse mass murder of history.

eorgia headed by mentally deceased man invaded SO, killed there more than 2000 people (many of them were Russian citizens) they could kill more if Russia didn't stop them.

Well lets just kill more at a quicker rate because why, there are Russian's there?
Zgubiony 15 | 1,554  
12 Aug 2008 /  #46
LOL, why would anyone worry about Russia? Aren't they still using WW2 era weapons?
:P
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
12 Aug 2008 /  #47
Silly you, I was not even born in 1951

Excuse me, are you illiterate? I didn't say you were born in 1951 or before.

I can read history and what Stalin did was the worse mass murder of history.

That's exactly what I meant... You mentioned him again. And... hm... It seems like talking about stalin turns you on, does it?

Well lets just kill more at a quicker rate because why, there are Russian's there?

That was the most irrelevant question you could make up. But I'm getting used to you either constantly beating about the bush, sidetracking or talking about stalin.
hairball 20 | 313  
12 Aug 2008 /  #48
I can read history and what Stalin did was the worse mass murder of history.

Not at all.

By far the worst single act of mass murder in history was on 6th August 1945. But that wasn't enough so they did it again on the 9th.

gensuikin.org/english/photo.html

The left photograph shows the stone steps of the main entrandce of Sumitomo Bank which is only 250 meters from the hypocenter. It is believed that a person sat down on the steps facing the direction of the hypocenter, possibly waiting for the bank to open. By a flash of the heat rays with temperatures well over a 1,000 degrees or possibly 2,000 degrees centigrade, that person was incineratied on the stone steps.

celinski 31 | 1,258  
12 Aug 2008 /  #49
And... hm... It seems like talking about stalin turns you on, does it?

ya right it's not me who defends him.

beating about the bush,

meaning?
osiol 55 | 3,922  
12 Aug 2008 /  #50
It has probably already been stated by others on this thread that Russia DOES need Europe's business. Europe invests heavily all over the world, including in Russia, including in the US. Add together all the countries of Europe and you are talking about huge amounts of trade.

Mathematics has never made me laugh...

What about typing numbers into your calculator, then turning it upset down to make rude words?
I suppose I should have started a new thread for this.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
12 Aug 2008 /  #51
Georgia headed by mentally deceased man invaded SO

Consider other option, an foreign agent?

killed there more than 2000 people (many of them were Russian citizens) they could kill more if Russia didn't stop them.

How? What is the source?
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
13 Aug 2008 /  #52
What about typing numbers into your calculator, then turning it upset down to make rude words?
I suppose I should have started a new thread for thi

Oh yeah... :) I remember how to make up some Russian rude words, you should how to make up English or Polish. We'll exchange. :)
southern 75 | 7,096  
13 Aug 2008 /  #53
LOL, why would anyone worry about Russia? Aren't they still using WW2 era weapons?
:P

Yes,like T-90,S-400,SU-30 etc.
Wahldo  
14 Aug 2008 /  #54
LOL, why would anyone worry about Russia? A

Why? They fought Hitler on horseback at times - and won.
Alchonok - | 2  
15 Aug 2008 /  #55
dear people, almost all of you are discussing like politics. But remember you are people first. What the difference what Bush, Saakashvily or Putin are saying? I'm from russia and i must tell you that even if our president would not agree to defend ossetians we simple people would fight with Georgian army to defend. I live in Vladikavkaz it's Nothern Ossetia, so South ossetians our brothers. Whould YOU like that some Hitler like Saakashvily would send it's troops to kill all of your nation and there would be no one to defend you? Do you know what really happened? Did someone tell you that georgian soldiers forced little ossetian girls and then shooted them in faces? Did officials of Europe and America tell you that georgian soldiers drawned hundreds of ossetians, hiding in basements by flows of water? It's very easy to believe what officials say but do you want to know the truth? Russian Stalin and communism are gone, why do you still find Russia guilty in everything? We Russians always thought that such countries as Poland, Ukrain, and pthers in East europe are our brothers, and what most part of you says about this war in Georgia dissapoints me very much
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
15 Aug 2008 /  #57
It has probably already been stated by others on this thread that Russia DOES need Europe's business. Europe invests heavily all over the world, including in Russia, including in the US. Add together all the countries of Europe and you are talking about huge amounts of trade.

Granted but wouldn't those business (European) in Russia have more to lose than Russia? Russia has China and whole host of other countries in that part of the world to trade with.
Alchonok - | 2  
15 Aug 2008 /  #58
Sasha:eorgia headed by mentally deceased man invaded SO, killed there more than 2000 people (many of them were Russian citizens) they could kill more if Russia didn't stop them.Well lets just kill more at a quicker rate because why, there are Russian's there?

Who told you that Russia killed more? Saakashvily which was running away from imagined attack? Come to the place of war and check first which side brought more harm. All Georgian officials did was just to leave away from their own cities and inventing Russian attacs in their mind.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
15 Aug 2008 /  #59
Isn't it a tragic irony that, according to modern day maps, that Stalin was Georgian. He was born in Gori. I agree with Alchonok, this conflict hasn't been evaluated fairly. It was the ideal chance to have a hack at Russia and make out that they were wholly wrong. No surprises that the missile shield deal was pushed through, fearing no reprisals.

I haven't heard condemnation from Western governments over what Georgian troops did to innonent Ossetians. When we start acting rationally, rather than emotionally and opportunistically, we can move forward.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
15 Aug 2008 /  #60
I haven't heard condemnation from Western governments over what Georgian troops did to innonent Ossetians

I have, depends on the station you watch "NBC" was defending Russia while "Fox" was pointing it out.

I find the sad part is you cannot trust the word of Russia because we all know first hand they have done this before. Masters of making their victims the guilty and Russia the hero's saving the people.

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