SHOULD POLAND/EUROPE BE WORRIED ABOUT RUSSIA??

Do you feel this is Russia's choice? Is Russia the one that dictates neighbors rights to defend her free country?


In 1951 my family lost their homeland. What Russia wants Russia takes. They call this peace keeping, at least call it what it is.


They will just shut everyone off fuel.


Not the ones I know, it was a forced immigration and a life of starting over, working in a country that took them in. Mourning the homeland that they were denied.

Britain is one of if not Russia's largest investors. The EU's deficit in trade with Russia increased from 41 billion in 2000 to over 70-odd billion today.

As I said... Russia needs Europe.

If their trade with Europe came to a halt then their economy would collapse.

In what? BP? Doesn't the oil belong to Russia?

Britain - Russia's trade

Note that it's upto date;


Source: berr.gov.uk/pressroom/Speeches/page45994.html

The Russians wouldn't dream of jeopardising it.

I'm sorry but it looks like you're totally ignorant on that issue. I'll try to explain... how this works. Let's say there're country A and country B. They're neither friendly nor enemies. They're neutral. One of the basical things that keep this World in peace is a nuclear parity. It's not bad (well... it is bad but it's caused by rotten human's psychology), it's just the way it is. I assure you everything is being tracked. The USA tracks any move of russian "Topol" ("poplar" intercontinental missile with a separating warhead), we track yours "minitmen" and "peacekeepers" (btw the name of this missile explains everything). If we built a military base on Cuba, we would immediatelly threatened by the US. It's normal. Nothing is wrong with that.


Exactly. Thank you for the honest answer. That's a key to your problems.

You think that the companies that are operating out of Russia would want to lose that kind of money, Russia is a very very very large country so I would imagine revenue gained by these British companies operating in Russia make the money they earn the UK look like small change! Tell me who has the most to lose?

What an utter pile of BULL! When confronting Russia with the Litvinenko issue the UK expelled Russian diplomats. It angered Russia. They wanted revenge and what was that revenge? It was a tit-for-tat expulsion. He didn't dream of touching the trade. Russia needs Britain's trade, let alone Europes. If you disagree with that then I'm wasting my time. You're obviously clueless.

That must be it!

Sasha now who is clueless. If you still cannot see the way Russia takes it is you that is in denial. It is one thing to keep peace and another to bomb pipe lines, not to mention this did not start 5 days ago but a year ago.

Need I also remind you of the revenge taken on Poland even as while pretending to be allies.

My source, rychlik, is Polish news. Nothing that u can't get access to. They said that they were unhappy with the insipid stance of the Polish government. Remember, the Russians didn't support independence for Kosovo, Poland generally did. These issues are divisive for Slavs. Kaczyński did little to reduce the tension.

My GF clarified what I thought I heard. There were no direct threats but suggestions that the conflict could escalate. Russia is all about noises and posturing

that is true. It is all part of the game.

Russia is still locked in dialogue with NATO, hence, many EU states. It summoned an emergency meeting with NATO so it hasn't severed ties. It has just got the attention of the international community. There is a theory that any military needs to be activated if redundant for 5 years. Russia is just providing a show of force. It's bark is worse than it's bite. It is not so unscrupulous as to wipe out large areas. It is not such a closed state like North Korea.

Still you are. Or perhaps you're ignoring me intentionally.
Once again.

I asked:


You answered:


Firstly does this look like an appropriate response? Hardly...
Do you see the very first sentence of your response? I understand, that's your personal tragedy which has transformed in your mind to... Russophobia. And it's a disorder and nobody can help you to cure it except for you. Every time when something's happening in Russia your mind automatically readdress you to 1951 and it appears that Russia is a monster whatever it does. Hatred and unforgiveness drive you. Georgia headed by mentally deceased man invaded SO, killed there more than 2000 people (many of them were Russian citizens) they could kill more if Russia didn't stop them. And you know call this "what Russia wants Russia takes"? is this all you can say??? Putting it mildly what you said was cynical. You don't give a sh#t about people's lives. Your bygone bitterness is simply stronger than the truth, than sensible view of things. I can't help. You can help yourself.

The Poles should study the Georgian situation very carefully.

article.nationalreview

thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/the-advantage-of-the-first-mov.php

Russia is back.

Silly you, I was not even born in 1951. I can read history and what Stalin did was the worse mass murder of history.


Well lets just kill more at a quicker rate because why, there are Russian's there?

LOL, why would anyone worry about Russia? Aren't they still using WW2 era weapons?
:P

Excuse me, are you illiterate? I didn't say you were born in 1951 or before.


That's exactly what I meant... You mentioned him again. And... hm... It seems like talking about stalin turns you on, does it?


That was the most irrelevant question you could make up. But I'm getting used to you either constantly beating about the bush, sidetracking or talking about stalin.

Not at all.

By far the worst single act of mass murder in history was on 6th August 1945. But that wasn't enough so they did it again on the 9th.

gensuikin.org/english/photo.html

ya right it's not me who defends him.


meaning?

It has probably already been stated by others on this thread that Russia DOES need Europe's business. Europe invests heavily all over the world, including in Russia, including in the US. Add together all the countries of Europe and you are talking about huge amounts of trade.


What about typing numbers into your calculator, then turning it upset down to make rude words?
I suppose I should have started a new thread for this.

Consider other option, an foreign agent?


How? What is the source?

Oh yeah... :) I remember how to make up some Russian rude words, you should how to make up English or Polish. We'll exchange. :)

Yes,like T-90,S-400,SU-30 etc.

Why? They fought Hitler on horseback at times - and won.

dear people, almost all of you are discussing like politics. But remember you are people first. What the difference what Bush, Saakashvily or Putin are saying? I'm from russia and i must tell you that even if our president would not agree to defend ossetians we simple people would fight with Georgian army to defend. I live in Vladikavkaz it's Nothern Ossetia, so South ossetians our brothers. Whould YOU like that some Hitler like Saakashvily would send it's troops to kill all of your nation and there would be no one to defend you? Do you know what really happened? Did someone tell you that georgian soldiers forced little ossetian girls and then shooted them in faces? Did officials of Europe and America tell you that georgian soldiers drawned hundreds of ossetians, hiding in basements by flows of water? It's very easy to believe what officials say but do you want to know the truth? Russian Stalin and communism are gone, why do you still find Russia guilty in everything? We Russians always thought that such countries as Poland, Ukrain, and pthers in East europe are our brothers, and what most part of you says about this war in Georgia dissapoints me very much

VOX POPULI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Granted but wouldn't those business (European) in Russia have more to lose than Russia? Russia has China and whole host of other countries in that part of the world to trade with.

Who told you that Russia killed more? Saakashvily which was running away from imagined attack? Come to the place of war and check first which side brought more harm. All Georgian officials did was just to leave away from their own cities and inventing Russian attacs in their mind.

Isn't it a tragic irony that, according to modern day maps, that Stalin was Georgian. He was born in Gori. I agree with Alchonok, this conflict hasn't been evaluated fairly. It was the ideal chance to have a hack at Russia and make out that they were wholly wrong. No surprises that the missile shield deal was pushed through, fearing no reprisals.

I haven't heard condemnation from Western governments over what Georgian troops did to innonent Ossetians. When we start acting rationally, rather than emotionally and opportunistically, we can move forward.

I have, depends on the station you watch "NBC" was defending Russia while "Fox" was pointing it out.

I find the sad part is you cannot trust the word of Russia because we all know first hand they have done this before. Masters of making their victims the guilty and Russia the hero's saving the people.