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Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored?


Babinich 1 | 455  
11 Jul 2009 /  #151
I teach and if I happen to do that within the framework of some political system, then so be it as it's merely coincidental.

A hypothetical:

If you're a science teacher in the SU in the 1950s would you be indifferent to teaching the theory of Lysenkoism?
Torq  
11 Jul 2009 /  #152
Cossack and fur were undeniably associated with Russia.

Yes, but women in Poland were wearing fur long before Cossacks.
In fact, women in Poland were wearing fur long before the country called
Russia appeared.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
11 Jul 2009 /  #153
Hypothetically speaking, I'm not into hypotheticals.

Torq, I doubt that. It was a symbol of Russia and wasn't denounced. It was used for flashing wealth among the well-to-do wannabe aristocrats (glorified peasants).
Babinich 1 | 455  
11 Jul 2009 /  #154
Seanus,

Would you teach a theory knowing it's wrong to ensure your own well being?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
11 Jul 2009 /  #155
It depends if there was imminent danger.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837  
11 Jul 2009 /  #156
There were other options than fur, ortalion for example.

Do you even know what ortalion was? <shudder>
And by the way - Cossacks would not be too happy if they knew you lumped them together with the Russian Empire they were in conflict with for several centuries ;-p

And seriously - all those women (and men, too) who have worn fur throughout the ages: they were Russian symbolism-carriers, right? I thought expensive fur like mink or seal were status symbols for the rich the world over, and cheap, nasty furs like rabbit or even squirrel were a desperate attempt made by the poor to look "classy" and stay reasonably warm.

Well, the more you know...
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
11 Jul 2009 /  #157
Do you? Do you think I just plucked it from the sky or do you think I researched it? I know who the Cossacks were, I was talking about the hats which are associated with Russia. I didn't say if it was an accurate association. Some Brits link Germany with sausages and Russia with vodka. That's a disservice to Poland.

And what of those that didn't have fur then?
chinczyk - | 32  
12 Jul 2009 /  #158
No doubt,at least Poland counts in East Europe
Eurola 4 | 1,906  
12 Jul 2009 /  #159
Is there still such thing? East Europe? The whole Europe should revise its thinking if the want to be called European Union or is the EU just a joke?
scrappleton - | 830  
12 Jul 2009 /  #161
EU just a joke?

GDP is higher than ours I'm pretty sure.
kitty_the_kat - | 30  
12 Jul 2009 /  #162
Economics 101: GDP stats can be skewed by so many different factors, and thus mean little, if anything
Magdalena 3 | 1,837  
12 Jul 2009 /  #163
Do you?

A very good alternative to fur coats in the depths of winter, I wholeheartedly agree...

And what of those that didn't have fur then?

They wore sheepskin coats, padded winter jackets which didn't really offer a lot of comfort or warmth, or regular wool coats - stylish, but not not very warm either, being meant more for the autumn/spring seasons.

I spent most of my childhood and teenage years either feeling cold, or freezing, or being bundled up in 100 layers and unable to move in the winter. ;-(

This only changed with the influx of new, lightweight and warm materials in the early nineties. Have never owned a fur coat, BTW. Only a 30-year-old sheepskin monstrosity dyed green for some reason ;-p
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
12 Jul 2009 /  #164
I thought they wore those ortalion coats with padded foam or artificial warmer. I was misinformed then. Anyway, we had duffel coats in Scotland. Very unsightly but they kept me warm as a kid.

Anyway, I think we are miles off topic. Silly question, Poland counts but it has only been in the EU for just over 5 years so it hasn't made a telling impact. Every country counts as they sometimes need help implementing EU Directives which have direct effect. Also, they must take part in scoping meetings as part of EU Environmental Law etc etc. The principle of subsidiarity, formerly Art 5 of the Treaty, requires cooperation between the relevant players so Poland has to count. The EU cannot afford to have stray dogs ;)
Crow 146 | 8,825  
14 Jul 2009 /  #165
Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored?

from all what i sow till now, Poland is ignored and humiliated
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Jul 2009 /  #166
There are different operational levels and is just depends what level you occupy. Give me an EU privelege that Germany has that Poland doesn't and then you will see.
Crow 146 | 8,825  
14 Jul 2009 /  #167
one word - Kosovo

Germany, France and Britain created situation and Polish soldiers on terain follow instructions of higher army stuff that is under control of Germany, France and Britain. Here. Polish army stuff exist to satisfy necesities of those three powers.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Jul 2009 /  #168
So Poland wasn't ignored and humiliated then, but included. Still, a bad cause to be involved in.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,386  
14 Jul 2009 /  #169
If Poland count??? :)

Jerzy Buzek, a former center-right prime minister of Poland, was elected president of the assembly with 555 votes out of 713 votes cast, becoming the first politician from an Eastern European country to hold one of the bloc's high-profile posts.

nytimes.com/2009/07/15/world/europe/15poland.html

(Before him it was the German Pöttering)
OP pawian 176 | 13,997  
14 Jul 2009 /  #170
This moment has come. Jerzy Buzek was elected the head of European Parliament.



The European Parliament has elected former Polish Prime Minister Jerzy Buzek as the chamber's president.
The vote on the 69-year-old Polish conservative was the first job of the newly-elected parliament in Strasbourg.
Mr Buzek is the first politician from the former communist bloc to chair the parliament. He received 555 votes in a first ballot.
The elections last month produced an assembly of 736 MEPs with the centre-right forming the biggest bloc.
Mr Buzek headed a coalition government in Poland in 1997-2001. He joined the European Parliament in 2004, the year of Poland's EU accession.
"Human rights will be a priority," Mr Buzek told MEPs, recalling the key role of the Solidarity trade union movement in democratising Poland in the 1980s.


news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8148729.stm
OP pawian 176 | 13,997  
14 Jul 2009 /  #172
I was first! tongue

It means Poland is ignored and humiliated by Germans, even in her own forum!!! :):):):):):):):):)
Torq  
14 Jul 2009 /  #174
Jerzy Buzek - a protestant who speaks perfect German.

They couldn't have picked a more representative Pole for this position!

;)

Seriously, it's good news. It shows that old EU countries are treating Poland
with respect and that we can look at the prospects of future co-operation
and tighter integration with more optimism.

*but still they could have picked some decent Catholic ;)*

It means Poland is ignored and humiliated by Germans, even in her own forum!!!

Brilliant remark. I wish I had made it :(
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,386  
14 Jul 2009 /  #175
Jerzy Buzek - a protestant who speaks perfect German.

Hmmm....can we claim him??? *ducks* ;)
Torq  
14 Jul 2009 /  #176
No, it's to early. Wait about 500 years and try then ;)
Crow 146 | 8,825  
14 Jul 2009 /  #177
So Poland wasn't ignored and humiliated then, but included.

i would say humiliated.... to spread Islam and serve to German interests in the region is real humiliation for Poland
Torq  
14 Jul 2009 /  #178
First, Jerzy Buzek was elected European Parliament president and now...

wiadomosci.onet.pl/2008736,12,item.html

...Michał Kamiński was elected to be the chief of European Conservatives
and Reformists (ECR).
chinczyk - | 32  
18 Jul 2009 /  #179
Is there still such thing? East Europe?

I think this is more a geographic concept than a political one...
adrian11224 7 | 41  
23 Jul 2009 /  #180
:):):)

why don't Poles just start having kids like ignorant blacks and hispanics and see what happens in Europe just like it is in America?

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