Poland to ban Che Guevara image

Ok,I'll try and address that one.My youth,well,i was still in high school in 89 so caught the tail end of the Cold war.Yep,there was always the feeling of "us and them" when it came to East/West relations but as far as most of us here in the UK weer concerned if anyone was going to press the big red button it would have been that loony robot like ham actor in the WhiteHouse and we'd just be stuck in the middle. Communists had never been our natural enemy here in the UK,weve never had a strong gound swell of support for any forms of extreme politics,so where say France had communist parties we had wishy washy socialism and the dangours of any form of extreme right or left wing government were never percieved as real here. Remember also,prior to the cold war "communists" had been our allies in the war against the Nazis,the nazis being the only group who have seriously threatened Britains saftey since Napoleon so naturaly there was some support/respect/curiosity about communism,but it was always,except in rare ,treacherous circumstances like the cambridge spies, more of an intelectual exercise or a way to show dissatisfaction with present politics,in my day that B*tch wh*re Mrageret-hope she dies in agony-Thatcher. I never,even during my student days considered myself a communist or even fellow traveler but Id seen my county decimated by conservative policies and so was naturaly left leaning,yes I had a picture of Che on my wall,but will say I was even though in the minority due to actually knowing he was Fidels right hand man in freeing Cuba I was innocent in to how much of a see you next tuesday he later became,I now balk at the sight of his image on T shirts,especially the other week when I saw some documentry about British kids being shown round cambodia and one of the numpties wore a che t shirt to visit a memorial to the killing fields,but I have to remember that for most people its a cool,slightly rebelious image,not a call to revoloution.

For older people,who may very well have been communists or fellow travllers in the past,unless they actually spied for the Warsaw Pact,so what? Its called political freeedom,sorry that we had it for so long when you guys didnt but thems the breaks.

Mm, I think there's a difference. Communism is an ideology that seeks to make everybody equal, whereas Nazism is... Well, I think we all know. Some people have given communism a very bad name (Pol Pot, Kim Jong-Il, Stalin, etc), but it's not a terrible concept on paper.

This is exactly the problem, people are NOT equal. Some are better than others, more talented, more handsome, wiser. It is absolutely totalitarian system already in paper.

In a clerical state and god-forsaken place like that of Poland, this image should be replaced by John Paul's one.

..who also represents a fascist ideology.

;)

...Hitler and Mussolini are little boys in pants being compared with Catholic bishops.

theres a joke in there,I aint making it though :)

What about Ronald McDonald, still legal?

Yep because Ronald only has high fat hamburgers and french fries that give people coronaries and make them dangerously overweight and lots of salt for high blood pressure. That's not nearly as bad.

A Stalin image is OK?

St. Stalin...

PLk 123- Che was not a fascist? In the pure sense, neither was Hitler. You do realize that NAZI is the acronym for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche -- the National Socialist German Workers' Party, and that Fidel Castro in his youth was infatuated with Mussolini and Hitler, and he carried around a copy of Mein Kampf. Che was Fidel's Goebbels, hardly one deserving of admiration.

Che has a long and documented criminal history. It was Che, in the Sierra Maestra Mountains of Cuba, years before Castro’s 1959 triumph, who revealed his fascination with cruelty by asking to be the executioner who kept the troops in line.

At the onset of the revolution on January 1, 1959, Castro appointed Che in charge of La Cabaña fortress in Havana. There, execution squads flourished under Che’s command, assassinating, in mass, those perceived as enemies of the revolution. Che ordered that women and children visiting his prisoners be paraded in front of the execution wall, gruesomely stained with blood and brain parts. All of this was well publicized in Cuba in order to spread fear throughout the population. The surviving ex-prisoners of the infamous La Cabaña fortress remember Che as a “mass murderer.”

what about as a avatar?

I came here to mention that one...
I also like the 'self-advertised idiots' argument. I think it's absolutely correct, and if people wish to make it clear to those in their immediate area that they are fools, then it's better to let them do so than to put a future law in place requiring a tatoo'd forehead or some such.

take a wild guess

greet them with open arms....

Che was a bit of a dick

**** Communism. **** it up its stupid *******.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara


It depends who you're talking to.

Use Google and you will find a bunch of National Socialists praising Hitler. No wonder that bunch of commie sympathizers praise him...


Truth is not relative and only one kind of opinion is correct. People of western civilization that flourished on moral teaching of Christianity must condemn people who would act like Che.

".Che Guevara .....a tee shirt with Bin laden on....Hitler anyone..... prefer Uncle Joe myself..."

Let the idiots wear whatever t-shirt they want to wear; it only exposes others to their stupidity and ignorance. Just because something is legal doesn't mean that it is a smart thing to do.

how was he portrayed in the film "the motorcycle diaries"?

King Sobieski
As a good, compassionate fella.
Good music too. I'd recommend the movie.

... but not the T-shirt.

LOL!

Che tends to be seen as a liberator, people tend to ignore the facts that come with that and that there is always two sides to each story. Usually by students and young people that think they are clever and know better... (I'm getting old)

Communism is lovely idea on paper, unfortunately it does not work with people, as said before people aren't all the same. So you oppress people to be the same by a minority, and you start having the equivalent of a fascist regime.

Left and right wing parties aren't on a line, is more like a circle, the more extreme left and right parties are basically the same.

I didn't see the movie but the reviews suggested that he was portrayed favorably. His role in executions was downplayed.