March of Tolerance in Krakow

who... men who wear dresses and have sex with little boys...?

wait... we're not talking about priests... are we...?

have you ever seen real homo???
they want only you, they don't understand that, I like only women:P

actually... i know quite a few wee willy woofters as it goes... including one of poland's better known shirt lifters... i have absolutely no problem with the fact that he wants me... in fact im quite flattered... and definately not scared that he might have his wicked way with me as soon as i turn my back...

Sorry I had to :)

thats not true mate. i know many too and it is not like that at all.

I like only women too and it doesnt prevent being friends with other women who want only men or want only women etc

I'm not supposed to wear a leash?!?!.....................................now they tell me.....

I don't know people, who thiking about them like normal people...
when i thinking about I fell bad and sick ;/ it have been a one beer too much:)

Because you wear pants my friend :up: ---------(that looks really dumb without smilies :( )

look, every man thinking about one, he is a man too:)
i'm going to sleep, becouse I feel bad:)

Do you have trouble with english? Or was it just typos? You drunk?

Sorry, just wanna know what you said is all :)

Everyone is entiltled 2 their own opinion, if we all had the same views/opinions on various topics, wouldnt it be borning? For me gays, lesbians, bi's are people with feelings like every human being, doesnt make them any different or less of a human being. Live to love, love to live. With any sexuality it ok to let others know what you are, but parading and doing sexual acts, exposures, or anything undecent is unnessecary, there's a time and place for it.

here here KJ :) ...i agree with you!

Polish People are National Socialists - they do what S.N. do.

No. It's just that they yet have to come of age. Like Ireland it's a Catholic country that has been listening to idiotic Catholic dogma's and so on for decades. In fact they have listened to it so long that the society is a bit retarded from other societies in this sense that they yet have to come to accept that homosexuality is a normal part of society. That's all. The Polish society just has to come of age.

M-G (does however think that the Polish society drastically has to review it's views on these issues as their views are not contemporary anymore)

Well, that's the problem. It is NOT normal, as it is the result of some psychological flaw. I have personally no hate or disgust against gays. I'm just against the fact that some governments tend to normalize it.

More globally, I have to say I'm now really fed up with that "dictatorship of minorities" which is just to reduce the social frustration of a few individuals, which they encounter as the result of some aspect of their identity.

There was a project in Belgium, to start teaching elementary school kids that homosexuality or transgender is "normal". Yes, to elementary school kids! I can understand the noble goal of this - to praise tolerance - but is it really the smartest thing to do with kids in the process of building their own personality?

Unfortunately, this is the society of fashionable political correctness. Homosexuality is an example but there are many others. Anyway, in Europe today, if you are white, christian, with a job, a family, and if you are a law-abiding citizen because you were educated to be, you should almost be ashamed of yourself and apologize...

STOP! I'm OK for not discriminating against minorities, but don't ever integrate that to the norm. The norm is the majority. Keep society on its track! That's how it was built and still stands.

There you go wrong: it is not psychological; it's a genetic thing. By calling it psychological you are basically saying that homosexuals are mental patients, which is a gross insult to them as there are many who are much smarter than you are and have better jobs than you have.

Teaching schoolkids about the normality of homosexuality is a good thing, I think. It would prevent a lot of hurt and gay-bashing and discrimination in the future as these kids have learned to accept homosexuality as normal part of society, a flaw which older generations have to cope with as they have always been thought that it is a deprivation of some sort. And: just because 1 million ppl believe it's wrong, doesn't mean that it actually IS wrong! The opinion of 1 million ppl is all too often brought forward as evidence that it must be true. But it doesn't prove anything; the only thing it proves is that 1 million ppl think like that. Nothing else.

It's just a matter of respect. If you don't respect somebody else, how can you expect that that other person respects you? Unfortunately most ppl who talk about the "dictatorship" of minorities don't respect those minorities and at the same time expect those minorities to be respectful of them. As long as this crooked way of thinking exists, nothing will be solved and nothing will progress. We need to get rid of it.

M-G

Homosexuality is not just biological, it is caused by environment as well, usually the behaviour and relation between parents and children. To claim that it is 100% genetic is just as ideological as the social acceptance or reject of it. And what about transgender, is it genetic? :)

There is no coherent society without norms and you can't expect to have a functioning society on the long term if it is built on a "help yourself" model, where everybody will choose behaviours like if they were picking from a restaurant menu. I'm not saying that people who don't comply with the mainstream should be abducted, sent to Auschwitz and cut into tiny pieces (certainly not!), I just mean that the mainstream should prevail culturally, legally and morally. Tolerance but not normalization. And at a time where people easily cross the border between freedom and anarchy, I will also regret the fact that "respect for difference" is too often used to merely tolerate mediocrity.

Well that settles it doesn't it? No need to refer to any difinitive studies or research (which there is none of to my knowledge), you just said it so it must be true-in your mind at least.


just like in nazi germany eh? or how about in Rwanda, ethnic cleansing was the norm there too y'know? I realize those are extreme examples but that is the extreme of the logic you've presented. Besides that, i'd say that culturally homosexuality is not the norm nor does this parade seek to turn anyone gay, it's just some gay people saying that they are tired of pretending to be like you or me cause that's how people like you or I want everyone to be.

Beyond that, one really has to ask how the mainstream isn't prevailing in all those areas, i'd say heterosexuality has prevailed in all those areas, and the people who aren't "straight" may be a lil tired of living in a place where everyone considers them strange or wrong, mostly out of small-mindedness, ignorance or in the name of god (which if you think about it, is quite blasphemous to assume one of god's creations [if you believe in god] isn't exactly how god wanted it to be)

I do agree with not tolerating the re-enacting of sexuality on the streets and the uhhh exposing of one's fantasies- and really feel that's an abbuse of people's efforts in trying to be accepting (obnoxious too0. That being said, there is a lot of overt heterosexuality displayed in public that is also best left expressed in private.

The mainstream should prevail legally? Meaning the government has a right to regulate wat u do in ur own bedroom? If thats your opinion ur a very twizted fascist indeed! If homosexuality is completely environmental then how come there are gay animals? I understand there very well may be environmental factors but there is definitely genetic factors in human behavior as well!

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Yes societies have norms but norms are not always morally or ethically right! They are considered ethical for the time but if u look back a few hundred years or even 50 years u will discover those norms would b scorned today! Like certain professions being "males only" and the norm for voters being "white only". "functioning" is an opinion. Yes the old systems of segregation and gender norms functioned but they were very oppressive!

Gays will be allowed to marry in 50 years in most 1st world countries wether or not u like it! The only argument against gay marriage is in religion! Who are you to force ur religious beliefs on other people? A while ago probably a few hundred years ago u HAD to b christian! If u were not the whole town would probably accuse u of witchcraft or they just might all shun u! Norms are never a good thing!

Please provide me one good deduction that doesn't use religious premises or the assumption of a deity. Then come to the conclusion that homosexuality is immoral and i will believe it!

Homosexuality and transgender are 2 different issues that cannot b discussed in the same light! What business is it of yours wat people do with their own bodies?


I love ur opinion on preaching acceptance in schools to children at young ages! Its kind of ridiculous to preach antiracism and not gay acceptance! U cannnot discriminate against gays in the workplace if u do and they get an attorney they can b awarded millions in reparations! U can't even ask some1 wat their sexual orientation is in a job interview!

U better get used to it people gays are everywhere! My dad works with several prominent gays as well as my mom! By stressing about the ethics of it ur just causing urself grief over something that doesn't concern u! We do need acceptance education in schools!

My freshman year in college this FB jock on scholarship was hit on by a gay guy. The gay guy didn't say anything that terrible to him either just "hello gorgeous" or something like that. The jock got really angry but didn't tell him to not say those things and after he sat down at a lunch table and talked to some of his friends he came to the conclusion that he needed retribution. So he walked over the the gay kid and said "don't ever talk to me again" and the gay kid said "chill out im sorry honey" after that the jock grabbed him by the thoat and thew him on ground!

A bunch of ppl jumped on the jock and he walked away really angry! The gay kid went righ to the cops got him arrested. After that he was convicted of a hate crime and booted out of school with a criminal record. He ended up in jail for a while and the kid also got a few thousand in damages! Maybe if the jock had a tolerance class he wouldn't have ruined his life b/c a gay guy called him "gorgeous"! HAHAHAHAHA that homophobe got wat he deserved!

Should we also apply this equally to immigrants, demanding they accept and abide by the cultural, legal and moral norms of their guest country?

Yes there are. According to them, genetics make some individuals predisposed for homosexuality. What will then catalyse it (or not) and make a person become homosexual is the relation she will have with the environment while growing up and building her identity as the image of herself given back to her by the environment. A friend of mine (she's a psychologist) says that in many cases where a man is gay, it's a trauma caused by having the combination of an absent or despising father with an authoritarian and over-protective mother.


The examples you quoted are indeed extreme. I don't stand by this extremism. I consider my views as rather moderate, as the "all-free society with legal amendments allowing each specificity to be lived to the maximum" is just the opposite form of extremism. That was the point of my comments in this thread, and I certainly don't want to forbid those gay people from demonstrating or celebrating in public. ;-)

And I will stop here.

Even if being gay is soley psychological (which its not) it harms no one! There are heteros who develop strange fetishes that if advertised would b pretty repulsive but no 1 bothers them about it or tries to say they cannot get married if they take part in that!

Gays don't change either once they r gay most of them stay that way! Let em get married! IF a church doesn't want to marry them they don't have to get married IN THAT CHURCH! Keep religion and government seperate! There is no good argument y gays shouldn't b married if u put religion aside!

Bravo my Nederlandse mate.


HHmm,yes,because straight parents are clamouring to raise gay kids arnt they.....


er,Yes.


Sorry boyo,Leon Degrelle is long dead and you make a very weak rexist.

Poland doesnt need gays or any other clowns damaging the culture or society.
Screw tolerance.

oh WTF they took my post out! There r millions of gay ppl in poland right now having sex jacekin! U better learn to accept it it has been part of polish culture and every other culture in the world for a long time!

March of Tolerance in Krakow

Was there a large consumption of kielbasa before, after or during the march?

"March of Tolerance" What a bogus name. As if healthy society should tolerate the speading of disease. You don't have to be a doctor to know that same sex attractions are unnatural. No society can exist with only homosexuals. Thus it is clear that this is unhealthy, as a purely homosexual society would die out.

The vagina and penis are matched pairs, one meant for the other. The physiology is obvious. It's no wonder that homosexuals spead horrible diseases among themselves, as the rectal lining is damaged during their perverted version of sexual intercourse.

Homosexuality used to be treated as a mental illness, and victims of it were even given treatments to cure it. Modern "medicine" doesn't do so anymore, and then just ignores the problem. This is probably the only disease that people willingly don't get treatment for.

Blah blah blah rhetoric! U don't base ur conclusions on evidence u base it on wat is "moral" under your biased christian state of mind! The reasoning for your beliefs is either the bible or church! I know a few gay doctors! They don't see themselves as being unnatural! Even if being gay is unnatural so is flying in planes or driving in cars! Under your logic those should be illegal because god never gave us wings so we shouldn't fly. Oh god never gave us the internet either its kind of unnatural that u can communicate even though we might b on opposite sides of the world! So right now ur acting unnatural!

Considering how there are millions of examples of homosexuality in animals but there r no examples of animals communicating from opposite sides of the globe being gay is more natural than blogging! Actually gays have kids its called a surrogate mom or a sperm bank! I just demolished ur arguments dude lol


Yes yes we know that this isn't about physiology its about civil rights! Okay so ur not allowed to get married if your going to have anal sex? OKAY EVERY1 WE NEED TO KNOW WAT GETS UR FREAK ON IF U WOULD LIKE TO GET MARRIED!!! There are millions of str8 ppl going home tonight to have anal sex! LOL Not just gays have STDs there are children born with them as well as millions of str8 ppl who get them from their partners!


Yes just like mental illness used to be treated like demonic possession! Just like how around that same time they would put leaches on ur skin in an attempt to remove "the bad blood". U just made urself sound like a moron! Homosexuality isn't a disease it doesn't fit the description for one thats a medical fact! If u are going to provide arguments against gay marriage provide premises to ur conclusions!

He said nothing about morals in the fragment you quoted. His statement is self evident. If you don't believe it try to screw a male friend of yours and see if you have offspring. Make relevant post 9 to 10 months from now.


You're mixing ideas here.
Humanity can survive without flying but it cannot survive without heterosexual relations. That's what's unnatural in homosexuality. It is against the basic principle of life - perpetuation of the species.

Its not necessary for life but there have been homosexuals in every society through heterosexual relations gays are produced! Society itself produces gay u cannot have a society without them. Homosexuality isn't against the basic principal of life! So if u were to have sexual relations without the chance of pregnancy its unnatural and against the basic principle of life? Thats all anal sex is sexual relations without any chance of pregnancy. Is it unnatural for sterile couples to have sex? Its not against the principal u are the one mixing ideas!


He obviously didn't use the world moral but his morals are very well implied here he obviously believes just wat the priest tells him!