Polish/German/Russian relations

Brate, as we Serbs like to say `Poland has `stereo` system` (from one side Germany, from the other side Russia)` but, still, don’t compare Russia and Germany. Please, that hurt me.

I had opportunity to talk with many Russians (in reality/to drink with them and on the Net to chat) and all of them fell like a sh** because some things from past (Katyn- just for example).

When they speak about that, they are focused on that what had they done and they don’t analyze eventual Polish mistakes from past, they are focused on their mistakes. They feel responsibility because Slavic children suffered.

On the other side, Germans- as individuals are still deluded with hegemonism and assimilation of Slavs. They, also deserve chance but, we need to be careful and their aggressive steps to take very seriously.

Too long Serbia (Serbs- in general) was absent from inter-Slavic politics/relations (Ottoman occupation, communism, German pressure on all fronts) but now we are back and we would remind our Russian brothers that they consolidate their state, on behalf of all Slavs. In that name, our Polish brothers and sisters should support our honest intentions from their side.

We Serbs would like to see that all Slavic children prosper and walk with dignity. Only for that reason we still resist and exist.

Correction: All Slavic, Anglo, Frank, Germeniac, Black, Latin, Indian, East Asian, Middle Eastern children prosper, realise their potential, be humble and confident and walk with dignity.

:)...

So Crow... but still...lets not go into the politics...remember our deal!

I agree with your addition on my comment. I absolutely agree

Hey, this thread is political. It is deal on that other thread which is on the way

There are a lot more Poles in Germany than vice versa, just sayin' ;)

EDIT: I live in Germany but I'm not German.

Hemm, I like Poles, they are so amusing, full of inferiority complex.

now how so??

explain this, elaborate for us if you will :)

To Asians ? Give me a break...

Brate, fact is that Poland has `stereo` system (I mean Germany-Russia) but, why is Russia part of that `system` I don`t understand. Why Russia accepted that status of Poland when Poland (no matter of all misuderstandings!) represent natural sheald of Russia in case of German (any) `drang nach osten`.

As biggest Slavic country, Russia need to have balanced aproach on all Slavs, not to use them. Where is responsibility hire?

I think that Russian politics failed on example of Poland (not only on this example, BDW). As a brother, I must be honest.

They failed on Poland but Poland was catholic,not orthodox like Serbia and less eager to accept them.After all Yugoslavia was the first state to reject Moscow control,while Poland was obedient til 1956.

Exactly russians wanted Poland because they regarded it as a shield in case of western advance,a way to delay the advance into Russia.

Poles have a complexes towar russians and germans, or may be it's just a delusion of persecution?


Well, well, well.......exactly, this is one of the displays of this complexes, or may be it's delusions of grandeur?

And Russians feel how? germans feel how? what made them feel the way they
do?

picking one nation to say that about is really sterotyping, ive seen all nations
backstabbing each other, where is it getting anyone?

From 1655 to 1660 under Sweden and Russia (deluge), from 1788 to 1812 under Russia, Prussia, Austria, from 1812 to 1815 under France, from 1815 to 1917 under Russia, Germany and Austo-Hungary, well some small breathing-space from 1917 to 1939, from 1939 to 1941 under Sov. Union and Germany, from 1941 to 1944 under Germany, from 1944 to 1989 under Sov. Union and from 1989 to....under USA......well I think that it's a fate....Very rich, almost without defects history!!!! ;-)))))

Ah well, I forget, fro 1690 till 1788 under russian protectorate.....


The fact is....if poland could, i think it would get some ass both russia and germany, so....lets took it in good part...just it has no luck, sometimes happens!!!

still waiting? you say you like polish, what is it that makes you like it so much?

because people can declare war on a unsuspecting country and kill women and
children at will? all because of land? thats so gallant.. hmmm, what a bunch of
winners.. yeah, lets all tell our history now, of how many times we have fought
over poland,, Id be embarassed that I couldnt win their support thru communication
and civilized barter. the only thing they wanted as a people was peace and their
own country.. but russia wasnt having it.. no, you even have to write russian
instead of your own language.. imagine that, people being so rude.. shame on them.

Ah Madam!!!! You think that Poles are better and more humane than russians?

in todays civilized world, everyone should be equal. I can see you think
differently, can you honestly say that russians were always humane?

all i know is that two countries fought. each writes their own history.. those
who lived it know best what happened and what they suffered.


I like being called madam!! very gentleman like..

ok back at ya,, ahhh SIR!! lol

Mongolo-Scandinavians (polish synonym of "Russians") couldn't be humane!!!! ;-)))


;-)))) prefer much refined, French term - Monsieur ;-)))))


Frankly to say, 99.99999% of Russians know nothing about Poland and i think that is much better to be hated than be nothing.

ok ok, * shakes hands with ConstantineK "

Monsieur, give us more input on what you feel is the polish/german /russian
relations.. :)))))


so history only teaches the bad aspects, our history teaches us what happened
over time, but also how we had at one point strenghtened our relations with
russia (America) .. even though we know that isnt what is taught in russian schools

Well i can say that I:

1. Adore France and its culture but scorn French
2. Hate but respect Poles
3. Respect Germans but discredit them
4. Don't like Americans but very regret for this
5. Feel strong sexual adoration toward Spanish and Italians....

Thanks.


Stupid...


Women I hope...

It's time to forgive if not forget We'll always have wars and disagreements if we won't quit blaming each other for what has happened in the past.........

We Serbs buy time to Russians (I think to Poland, too) and we paid terrible prices. Many Serbs settled in Russia (in Ukraine, Poland, too) because of our tragic history. We gave you a lot of, to Poland also. We gave you our sons and doughters, our blood to strenghten your nations, our skils. I admit, you both helped us, too. It`s a fact but, still we have right to demand that Russia understand that Poland also has right to be lucky and that Poland need to give chance to Russia. You need to learn to work togather my brothers, to share luck on behalf of future of your children. And, on the end, this Earth need Slavs, that fifth element in our culture.

You need to know that there are Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant Serbs in this Europe, from Baltic to Balkan. We need you, both of you. Only togather, you can support us- your first line.

Forget about differences in Christian proviniences. That is trivial. Religion is something private. Slavia is imperative.

Germany is master of you :)

Do you think we have forgotten September 17 1939...Scavengers.
Do you think we have forgotten Katyn- you have bigger problems to deal with the mass found outside Kiev....mass murderers.
Do you think we have forgotten Warsaw..."liberators"
Do you think we have forgotten the Gulags...slave labor - by your people- or Kolyma.

Show some intelligence or go back to a Russian forum where you can happily spout ignorant...twat. Peasant.

Forgive? Forget? No!!!! Crucify them all!!!!


Slavia??? Ha-ha!!! I like Serbs, but don't be so naive, what do you mean under Slavia, where is it, is it a state? How many divisions it has?


Do You think that we forget 1610? And Poles in Kremlin?
Do You think that we forget S. Batory?
Do You thin that we fogive 1815 and Polish gussars in the Napoleon's Armade?
Do You think that we forget Boleslav The Brave?
Do You think that we forgive you Your sharp distinctions from Us?

As You see, i am shwing my intelligence (compare "You" and "i")

1812 not 1815.Napoleon in Moscow.Indeed polish soldiers were the most brave among the french troops.
But in Tannenberg the bravest were the russians,not right?

exactly 1812, just slip of pen....

in 1815 Poland become part of Ru.Emp.

In 1917 Germans were punished fore their arrogance

Who punished them?The Brest-Litovsk treaty?What happened in 1920 between Russians and Poles?

No, Germans inspired revolution in Russia, but were punished by the same revolution. And if we will see on the long term effects, we will see that partition of germany in 1945 was one of them.

revolution and civil war were very useful for russian society, though


Russian marshal Tukhachevski was near Warshaw

You shouldn't, that a golden age of Russian culture, which finally got some enlightening ;)


And a few months later was far away :)

From Poles ? Ha !!!! Poles had to eat each other in Kremlin !!!

Though this army had some luxurous veil !!! Really, i know only three nations with such love toward tinsel show: Armenians, Black Americans and Poles


You are right ;-(((( But remember that in this time we had a lot of internal enemies