English vs. Polish hostility

But, really, the difference between England and America as regards the attitude towards the Poles is that the English do not feel contempt towards us, but have respect for us (even when they complain about our coming to England). And then always - that's been my experience - whenever anybody complains about us, immediately another person or several people start defending us.

Yes, the English treat us like human beings. God bless them for that.

From what I hear, the Irish treat us very good too. God bless them!

You could understand the situation in Ireland being difficult (which don't I believe it is)
because that is a country that for a long time until recently, only ever experienced emigration.

re: You truly make me smile! Have a fantastic weekend!

- Does this mean you don't discuss any longer? Unable to defend your statements?
Yep, you definitely have made a fool of yourself, Ranj.

re: emigration

- The Poles aren't immigrants (nor emigrants). They are predominantly guest workers. This means the majority of them plan to return to Poland. The 'Polish immigration' scare has been spread by the media propagandists in order to divert British attention from the real, mostly Third World, immigraton to Britain. It appears the media establishment is in favour of this immigraton and fools the Brit public about it. The Poles are the scapegoats.

re: Some people like to play the victim.

- Namely who?

If you migrate, you are a migrant.

Many species of bird migrate twice a year.
Migration does not mean settlement.

Immigrate - to migrate into a place
Emigrate - to migrate out of a place

Guest worker: I believe this is a term used in some European countries.
I didn't think the term has any official usage in the UK.

No, this means I've had about 3 hrs sleep in the past 48 hours, am tired, and am just bored with it.....


I already have....just don't have the patience to explain them to you, as it's like talking to a brick wall......


Bwahahahaha......not only do you make me smile, you make me laugh! Goodnight puzzly, I'm off to bed!

Never met anyone who finds being a victim easier than thinking and doing positive?

re: You could understand the situation in Ireland being difficult

- Why would it be 'difficult'? Because of Poles?

Ranj, you are a liar.

Stop being pathetic. What is your problem?

If a country has little or no experience of immigration,
it might not be a suprise if the indigenous population have a problem
with people different to themselves appearing on the scene.

re: Stop being pathetic

- Why would I be 'pathetic'? Why are you so rude? I just asked you if you meant the Poles. What, are you scared to say yes or no? If they are a problem, then you perhaps can explan why, can't you? You know what you're talkng about, have clarity of thought, don't you?

re If you migrate, you are a migrant [etc.]

- All right, maybe, but why all this explanation? :)

Polish people have been depicted by the media in UK as an immigration problem. That's a fact.

No. It would not have been the fault of the Poles in Ireland if the Irish had found their presence particularly troublesome.
I assume you haven't read any of my posts in other threads.
Maybe I shouldn't have expected you to have done so.


Here is a statement that is not naming a specific country,
It is an example of a situation that has been the case with many countries.


Not specifically Polish people - any incoming group.

How, from this, can you think I am specifically blaming Poles, or even the incomers rather than the native population?

No, Osiolku, I read carefully anything you write. But I am also a really curious guy and I like to know what people really mean. That's why I ask many questions. And now, I've got to run, but I'll be back tomorrow (or rather later today already). Thank you for a good chat. All the best to you.

:) Ok. I should've qouted that. I can honestly say that I don't know from experience. This is just through research. Maybe they aren't "dwindling", but rather people are giving that impression.

I also realize that there may be an influx of non poles as well, but this was just in comparison to the amt. of PL that come to the US. As you may know...we aren't so popular any longer ;)

re: I am specifically blaming Poles

- How would I do such a thing?! I have never even remotely thought you would blame us! Osiol, you must understand that I don't identify media in England with the English people. We all should really become aware of that - the meda r not us!

All the best.

PS. You've made a good point about the title of this thread. Indeed - why the English alone? But it's material for another long discusson. We'll fight this stereotype too!

I wonder where you get this impression from.
Some parts of the British media like to stir things up.
The reality, I believe, nearly always, is far more mundane.
Occasionally, stories pop up that sell newspapers.

Zgubiony, I hope you know that I haven't meant all Americans...

All the best to you. Everything's going to be all right with you, you'll see.

re: Some parts of the British media like to stir things up

- The mainstream media mainly perform the brainwashing function. That's how they have been designed and run for the benefit of certain groups.

But I've really got to run now. Damn it!

Of course not ;) It's all good Puzz.

Everything will be fine...you're right about that.

Cheers.


I've seen a few people here, but I know better than to "assume" by just what's written in this forum. I have seen it in the online media though. The one thing that's tough is figuring out who's not legitimate or who's way right-way left. Especially if it's foreign media :) I honestly don't think any media will be square with you...... :/

You're probably right.

I don't go for conspiracy theories that say everythings all controlled by X and/or Y,
but the media is controlled by a small number of people - fate has allowed this to happen.
They have their agenda, based mostly on the idea that pandering to the lowest common denominator
will lead to greatest sales, greatest profit.
This means preying on people's small-mindedness, nimbyisms and insecurities is the way they generally go.

Most people should be credited with more awareness and intelligence.
So what goes out to the world as the situation in this country is a slightly warped interpretation.

As is everywhere else :) I witness other peoples warped interpretations about people in America all the time on the internet....1 sec I have to get my buddy George Bush a beer ;)

Luckily, America is well known enough without him.
Still, there are always the sheep...

quote=Ranj] Quoting: Puzzler
You'll see that prejudice against Poles is thousandfold worse in US than in England [/quote]

Puzzler, Will you please inform us where did you live while in America?

And dont answer my question with another question

re: They have their agenda, based mostly on the idea that pandering to the lowest common denominator will lead to greatest sales, greatest profit

- Not true - not entirely true. The media practically EVERYWHERE (not just in Britain) are predominantly political instruments, used to form and maintain given political ideas (perception) in the 'masses.'

Maybe some tabloids care mostly, or entirely, for profit, but, from my observation, they are politicised too.

re; Puzzler, Will you please inform us where did you live while in America?

Dear sledzie (herrings), I lived in Chicago.

It is not only governments who wield political power.
If a tabloid in the UK such as The Sun endorses a party in a general election, they will probably win.
Money speaks loudest.

Ok so you lived in my city, I`m sure there there are cases of prejudice
here, just like any where else in the world.

In Chicago there are 1.8 million Poles living here, outside of Warsaw it
would be the biggest Polish city in the world its called (Polonia) here.

If it was so prejudice why would people keep coming here?

Maybe you had a bad experience but Chicago has embrassed the Polish community
for over a 150 years and I have never encountered this extreme prejudice of
which you speak.

Thats if you even really lived here... Tell me where St. Ladislaus is located?

Hahaha mate you crack me up cheers!

Does anyone take this guy seriously or is it all about winding him up?


Good point Osiol but I cant help feeling this suggests that the average Brit is a bit of a clown which is harsh regardless of how true it might be

And you're an average what?

Would be loathed to describe myself as an average anything me ol' china....

Fair enough.

I've never met a truly average person.
I've met people with dodgy opinions, weak minds and so on.
I know people who buy the Daily Mail every day, just for the crosswords.

seven across,cause of nations troubles ; A*Y*** S*E*ER*.....five down; reasons why Brits emigrate to spain ; IL**G** IM**R**T*; who do we all have wet dreams about being our PM again W**ST*N C**R*H**l.............

he he,bought the rag today,only for the free nature dvd,hid it in a copy of Readers Wives to save my embaresment at the cash desk :)

its not worse, its not even close, you are definately *wrong* and there are dozens
of states with at least two/three Polish cities where the majority is Polish and they
hold major festivals and cook great food and dress up and have dances and its a
blast.. no one in the Uk has a polish festival do they?? do they get together and
have a festival with the whole city? and do people of all countries come to enjoy it?

do they dance and sing to Polska music? or buy /sell Polish items? traditional
culture lives in the united states, its never been stopped or ridiculed by anyone
and matter of fact the food attracts the bigger crowds because everyone loves
Polish and polish food here in America.. very popular..

yep, I think you had a sniff of crack alright like ranj said.. lol.

Ps.. I am not falling into your *SIC* crap either,, I just told you and there is no
other answers to this.. this is life in America.. and we live it.. so get your facts straight
you can write all the books you want, but the truth lies within those living it. and not
in some dreamworld! facts have been proven over and over to you so whatever
you write in retort to this wont even matter,. because you got your answers!!

all I can say is read again.. if you dont understand..


he probably flew in for a weekend..

and with his attitude I am sure people were not so nice. its not hard to
get angry.. he doesnt try to hard to be nice on here why should anyone
believe any different outside of this forum.

Yes I am insinuating that you are not nice outside of this forum, it has nothing to
do with poloniphobia to answer your next predictable questions which have
irritated and angered the whole forum.. there is much proof of that.

yes you havent tried to hard to be nice, least only when its convienent for you and
benefits you.

Yes I say outside of this forum, I dont know your real life, but I do believe
you have a character ( based on my opinion) to which isnt so blessed to be
easy going and out going.. sorry those are facts :(


oh you are so predictable.

Not yet but as they start to spread out they might start to infect us with their culture. If they are in Chicago in large numbers I have no objection but to think of us having the same problem here...why do Poles want to come to England in large numbers anyway, was it not Churchill who sold Poland to Stalin?